So in the game thread I saw people absolutely killing KoachQ for saying he's getting tired of some of Graysons antics. Keep in mind, I've been all over Q many times in the past as well, but I don't think what he said is entirely wrong. I'll lead off with, I really, really like Grayson. But I loved him before that. But its not wrong to say , he's brought a lot of this grief on himself. I guess the hardest thing for me to personally get through, is that he admitted he did it on purpose, told us it would never happen again, built my trust back to 100 % , then did it again. When things don't go his way, he goes all out immature, and the body language during those moments grates my nerves to to the bone. He's the toughest kid I think I've ever seen on this team, I've seen him endure hits and blows that other players could never jump up from. He takes more contact than anyone, and still at times comes off like a spoiled baby. I just want him to stop. I want to see him become our leader again. He is not that now and every one of you knows it. And yes, he has cost this team. He's cost us calls, votes , and yep, even games. Granted he's surely won many for us as well, but he's got to understand the magnitude of where he is at. Rise above it all. Get back to the Garayson we all love, a powerful leader who leads by example. Do not misread me, I'm a Duke fan to the 10000000th power, and I don't hate the kid, in fact he's been one of my favs, but he has to turn in 100% solid sportsmanship and clean play from here on out. One more OBVIOUS dirty play, and I'll have to say I'm done with it. And yes, i know im going to be bombarded with explanations of bad calls now, and yes, I've seen them , but he has to erase that image, only he can do that. Go Duke.
Grayson Allen, the bottom line.
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Disagree with the calls today and UNC . Completely
But the rest he needs to be better about no question. Just more of what we've talked about lots. I just won't crush the kid for on the court stuff.
We all have our personal favorites. Grayson's mine. It's part of what has made this season so hard to watch. Am I a blind homer about him? Admittedly so.
But the rest he needs to be better about no question. Just more of what we've talked about lots. I just won't crush the kid for on the court stuff.
We all have our personal favorites. Grayson's mine. It's part of what has made this season so hard to watch. Am I a blind homer about him? Admittedly so.
Great piece Show. To me the frustration with Grayson has to do with the fact he's one really talented kid on the court. To see where he's at right now, from where he was all last season is of epic disaster. I love the kid too, probably in my top 3 of favorite Dukies I've watched. I really, really wish he could turn it around man, and if he could, what a story it would be, but I have serious doubts.
Nothing dirty, just pitched another fit after being called for a foul and slammed the ball on the court drawing a technical.
You say "OBVIOUS dirty play" and must be clean from here on out like he did something dirty today? He got a technical off of reputation, if that was anyone else then nothing is called. Yes he has cost this team this year at times but for this team to go far he has to find his rhythm, be aggressive, and play with an edge.
The elbow against UNC warranted a T but he did not intentionally plan to elbow the boy on purpose. He simply tried to make a basketball play and got the wing up to high. It's only a huge deal because of who it is. Today's T was crap. Players do the exact same thing all the time. Just like the commentator said, if he caught the ball after slamming it nothing is called. He is not even allowed to get mad at himself anymore and that's all that was today.
If that's what we're calling dirty play, then I guess I don't see it. Grayson decided before the season started that this would be his last year. Injuries and distractions have taken away his game. He's playing like he can overcome it by pushing his way around and shooting 100% from deep. That's not the way you handle adversity. You regroup and figure out a way to recover. For him, he needs to decide to come back one more year and hope he stays injury free. You don't see a hobbled Amile jacking up crap shots trying to get a contract. Grayson needs to let go of all the expectations and just play from within.
He's still good enough to be a setup man and passer, and that's what this team desperately needs. If he let's go of the draft board, he'll start to be better for Duke.
The tripping incidents are inexcusable, but the rest of it.. play on. I don't want to see 5 choir boys out there.
For me he has lost benefit of the doubt...
I don't think the play against UNC was a basketball play...you don't drive with elbow that high in someone's chops...
Today wasn't a dirty play...just another play that's all about him and detrimental to the team...you can literally see it spiraling towards the moment every time he is playing poorly...and let's be real he is playing terribly...
The thing is he has brought it all on himself...and that's the problem...I think he has been over scrutinized over analyzed completely..I don't think it's fair what he has to put up with..but he made the bed and now has to deal with it...he's not improving in that area and continues to do things that put him under the microscope..
Maybe its competitiveness...but how long can one make that argument? He loses control..he hurts the team...it becomes about him to much for my liking...
Granted I'll be the first to jump up if he catches fire or makes a play...I just want him to stop the perifery antics and play ball...justifying why it's continually ok what he does is enabling...I don't think so I'm Jan. but I do believe now he is being enabled to much...fans included.
Taking responsibility has to be more than saying it afterwards...he has to live it...
I don't think the play against UNC was a basketball play...you don't drive with elbow that high in someone's chops...
Today wasn't a dirty play...just another play that's all about him and detrimental to the team...you can literally see it spiraling towards the moment every time he is playing poorly...and let's be real he is playing terribly...
The thing is he has brought it all on himself...and that's the problem...I think he has been over scrutinized over analyzed completely..I don't think it's fair what he has to put up with..but he made the bed and now has to deal with it...he's not improving in that area and continues to do things that put him under the microscope..
Maybe its competitiveness...but how long can one make that argument? He loses control..he hurts the team...it becomes about him to much for my liking...
Granted I'll be the first to jump up if he catches fire or makes a play...I just want him to stop the perifery antics and play ball...justifying why it's continually ok what he does is enabling...I don't think so I'm Jan. but I do believe now he is being enabled to much...fans included.
Taking responsibility has to be more than saying it afterwards...he has to live it...
Could care less about the technical and could care less about the media attention it receives.
What I do care about is the fact that Grayson has been horrendous for 3 weeks now and only seems to be getting worse. I understand the injury questions with him, however today he did seem to be much more mobile than last week, and still was awful.
What I do care about is the fact that Grayson has been horrendous for 3 weeks now and only seems to be getting worse. I understand the injury questions with him, however today he did seem to be much more mobile than last week, and still was awful.
Many are right! Grayson did a lot to his self. Did I think it warranted a tech? No! In the game right before a kid from Syracuse grabbed the ball slamned it to the floor and the ref warned him.
Could it be Grayson regrets coming back? Sure but who knows at this point. I won't give up on the kid or bad talk him. I simply don't care how he acts. Do I believe he should mature some, yes. I also believe he should have sat today and rested there are still perhaps three games to play.
A person can put enough stress on their self to where it becomes to much for them. In this case I believe that is what Grayson has done.
Could it be Grayson regrets coming back? Sure but who knows at this point. I won't give up on the kid or bad talk him. I simply don't care how he acts. Do I believe he should mature some, yes. I also believe he should have sat today and rested there are still perhaps three games to play.
A person can put enough stress on their self to where it becomes to much for them. In this case I believe that is what Grayson has done.
I personally will be glad when Grayson leaves Duke after this season, and I'm pretty sure he will, whether he gets drafted in the 2nd round or not. And the reason I want him to leave is it's bad enough to put up with the media, the refs, opposing fans whining, but when your own fans are so aggravated with the season that they're willing to make him a scapegoat for the season (and this season is not all on Grayson) it's time to leave for yourself and everyone else concerned. No one is ever going to be satisfied...time to move on.
Good luck Grayson wherever you land, wish you much success, and you'll always be among my favorite Duke players.
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Good luck Grayson wherever you land, wish you much success, and you'll always be among my favorite Duke players.
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Should a T have been called today? Nope. Unfortunately, GA lost the benefit of the doubt during that Elon game. That doesn't make it right nor fair. It just is what it is. He brought that on himself. He has to know that all eyes are on him and every little movement he makes. He just has to be cool and keep his emotions under control.
I don't know him personally. However, he seems like a great kid. I did meet his parents and talked to them for a little while. They seemed like really nice people. He excels in the classroom and off the court in general. He just needs more maturity.
I don't know him personally. However, he seems like a great kid. I did meet his parents and talked to them for a little while. They seemed like really nice people. He excels in the classroom and off the court in general. He just needs more maturity.
There is a big difference in a gesture and tripping. Emotions are gonna be high with a kid who went from pre-season player of the year, to the incidents, to the suspension, back to being injured, having to be plastered on ESPN and every blog to your own fans turning on you then having people question if you should have left last season even though you wanted to graduate in three years which is hard enough mentally.
This has become over whelming for fans just imagine for Grayson!
Pretty much sums it up for me too. The fact I have to defend this kid vs our own fans is crazy to me- you literally would think he killed someone's dog. He absolutely brought this on himself with the three trips, but this whole entire thing is blown so out of proportion. If what he did today deserves a tech then I should be thrown in the slammer for going 10mph over the speed limit.
I agree he has to know that every micro thing he does is going to be scrutinized by fifty different camera angles, which by the way were on him the entire game even before the call. But he can't lose his edge either.
We talked about this in the other thread about the grant hill comments- he's right, Grayson isn't wired like those guys. He gets into a funk and a lot as shey said is because he's putting way too much pressure on himself- kid can't do anything right by anyone. If it's not the media, it's opposing fans. When it's not them it's our own turning on him and overreacting.
He took some bad shots today- didn't play well. That was what cost his team while he was in- it wasn't some extra curricular garbage. He didn't deserve a T there and thus I'm not holding that against him. He's got to play better, for that I'll hold him accountable and like any other player we have expect better from him. We know he is capable.
I could care a less about the T, it was a bs call to begin with and I'll defend that no matter who the player is. What bothers me is the play on the court. He is beaten down both mentally and physically and it's showing. The margin for error is so slim this time of year we can't afford someone forcing things and playing outside of himself. He's hurt, he's pressing and it is costing us on the scoreboard. The T was bs, but I would have sat him with or without it
The call was total BS, I'm not wasting anymore time on that. Just as I'm a "Duke homer" for saying that, your a "Duke hater"
for agreeing with it. Truth lies in the middle, I realize that. A few dont. I would think our fan base would back the warrior to the very damn end, unfortunately that's just not the case!! Speaks of the day and age. Grayson doesn't owe me an apology for being a kid.
for agreeing with it. Truth lies in the middle, I realize that. A few dont. I would think our fan base would back the warrior to the very damn end, unfortunately that's just not the case!! Speaks of the day and age. Grayson doesn't owe me an apology for being a kid.
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Some of you Grayson defenders are plain old homers. He was a pissy b---- on the bench, wasn't cheering on his teammates or even getting off the bench when they came over for timeouts. I don't decide if I support a guy's actions just because he's on my team - I expect my team to be full of high-character guys who cheer on their team even when they're not playing well. Someone like Matt Jones. Grayson is now Matt Jones but with a bad attitude. Support him all you want, I won't.
I think Grayson just expected so much more out of himself this year that everything just spiraled out of control. I was at CTC and I told my wife that it just looked like he was pressing way too much to be the best player on the court. I really believe he expected to be in the running for NPOY and now finds himself coming off the bench. I'm sure he's second guessing not going pro last year. People on here are concerned about how the team does in this tournament and what kind of seed Duke will receive. When I step back and think about Grayson, I don't care if we lose our next two games. I just want to see the young man come to grips with his situation and make the most out of his life. Duke will always have many more seasons. I for one am not giving up on him.
I believe that he is a high character guy. He's dealing with his own made demons. He wants to win as much or more than anyone on his team. He's a competitor and that's why I appreciate the kid.
I can guarantee you he does not care if you support him. He is going thru a lot, yes some of it was brought on himself but remember he is a 20 year old kid playing a game. When my 10 year old son met him he was a polite and kind person, talked to him for 10 minutes. He is not a ***** he is a kid going thru a lot right now. Some of us need to get a clue and remember he is a college student who is going to graduate with a Duke degree.
This team has a certain ceiling based on matchups. The defense isn't going to become miraculously better. We'll defend teams that don't drive well. We'll give up easy buckets to everyone else. Scoring is this team's M.O.
With that in mind, Grayson's mentality and career could be saved if maybe K does like he did for a stretch today, which is turn him into a distributor and when he can get open shots, take them. He still can't drive right now with that ankle and teams are just sagging and letting him shoot. His body language shows a guy who just seems defeated.
When people are in a funk, sometimes a little change up is helpful. Maybe Grayson can feel a sense of success and rejuvenation if he can become a server for the offense and set up all these weapons we have. That might be all he needs.
With that in mind, Grayson's mentality and career could be saved if maybe K does like he did for a stretch today, which is turn him into a distributor and when he can get open shots, take them. He still can't drive right now with that ankle and teams are just sagging and letting him shoot. His body language shows a guy who just seems defeated.
When people are in a funk, sometimes a little change up is helpful. Maybe Grayson can feel a sense of success and rejuvenation if he can become a server for the offense and set up all these weapons we have. That might be all he needs.
No one cares, you've shown your character long before this. You show up when negative things are at their highest and chime in. You are calling a 20 year old kid that you don't know a pissy *****. So you want and expect a 20 year old Duke person to be high character but as you brag to us being a fuqua grad from Duke you show a distinct lack of character!
Also appreciate you adding in your thoughts on Matt jones. classy post of yours on his senior day thread as well. You're a flat out loser and I have no idea why you post here. But hey, fall back on the old faithful defense of, "hey if I'm not a homer and offer the smallest criticism of anyone, I must be a hater." What you say isn't criticism, it's just being a flat out *******.
You kidding right? All the commentators were talking about was how he was off the bench cheering his team and players on, how he was in on every huddle!
People hating on this kid need to get off it. You would think you got money invested into the team or you were paying the kid. I can deal with people coming correctly and voicing not wanting to support his antics but atleast make your opinion fact based.
I have not said this before, but Coach K bears a lot of the resonsibility for what has happned with Grayson this season. He had the opportunity to nip it in the bud last season and chose not to. I am sure tha lots of guys on the board will want to fillet me for saying it, but that's my view.
Do I love Grayson? Do I love Coach K? Yes and Yes. At this point, it doesn't matter if Grayson plays in chior robes -- everyone is looking at why not to call a foul or technical on him. It really is some bizarre narrative where Grayson is the new Duke kid to hate.
Problem is he has over-achieved in that department.
I hope he crushes it for the ACC and NCAA Tournaments, but I think that he is gone next year and it is really sad how this situation unfolded.
Do I love Grayson? Do I love Coach K? Yes and Yes. At this point, it doesn't matter if Grayson plays in chior robes -- everyone is looking at why not to call a foul or technical on him. It really is some bizarre narrative where Grayson is the new Duke kid to hate.
Problem is he has over-achieved in that department.
I hope he crushes it for the ACC and NCAA Tournaments, but I think that he is gone next year and it is really sad how this situation unfolded.
Hindsight is 20-20. I'm sure Coach K would like to hit a reset button on this season. It ain't over yet though.
Had to work today but I did see the game. Very happy we won and I guess I should give my thoughts on Grayson. Love his passion for the game and am so glad he chose Duke but he HAS to get his emotions under control. I didn't agree on the T vs. unc but today I did. He slammed the ball down and didn't catch it but still I don't think that was the thing that called for the T. It was the f word and it can't be tolerated by players or coaches although it has become a part of society's everyday language. I disdain the word. It is filthy no matter how popular it has become or how much a part of our culture it has become. There are women and children close by although a lot of women use the word also. I just wish Grayson would play ball and get his emotions in check. Sooner or later it will cost us a game. I agree with most of you as to the fact he is getting reputation calls and that is so wrong but he had to know it was coming. We really need him right now but we need him like he was at the dance of when he so graciously danced so well and under control. I'm not Grayson. I don't know what's running through his head. He has to be going through hell right now with the fans and no doubt what opposing players are putting him through. He's got to figure it out quickly because time is running out. I support him but I will not enable him or make excuses. It's his bed to make comfortable again. OFC
I was completely dumbfounded when I read BlueDevilWildcat's post too. I was like what frigging game was he watching because in the game I watched Grayson was up cheering on his teammates every time they showed him in camera while he was on the bench.