Grayson Allen, the bottom line.

[hart2chesson]

What bothers me is when a play by play guy Tim Brando, draws a parallel like he did today. He compared Grayson's actions to former major leaguer Jimmy Piersall, who suffered from mental illness. Grayson's done some things he shouldnt have, but I think Brando is WAY out of line diagnosing behavior as a play by play man.

I still love Grayson Allen!

OFC

 

[CRAZIE4LIFE]

I've seen worse temper tantrums and language on this board

 

[dbav]

I personally will be glad when Grayson leaves Duke after this season, and I'm pretty sure he will, whether he gets drafted in the 2nd round or not. And the reason I want him to leave is it's bad enough to put up with the media, the refs, opposing fans whining, but when your own fans are so aggravated with the season that they're willing to make him a scapegoat for the season (and this season is not all on Grayson) it's time to leave for yourself and everyone else concerned. No one is ever going to be satisfied...time to move on.
Good luck Grayson wherever you land, wish you much success, and you'll always be among my favorite Duke players.

OFC

Pretty much sums it up for me too. The fact I have to defend this kid vs our own fans is crazy to me- you literally would think he killed someone's dog. He absolutely brought this on himself with the three trips, but this whole entire thing is blown so out of proportion. If what he did today deserves a tech then I should be thrown in the slammer for going 10mph over the speed limit.

I agree he has to know that every micro thing he does is going to be scrutinized by fifty different camera angles, which by the way were on him the entire game even before the call. But he can't lose his edge either.

We talked about this in the other thread about the grant hill comments- he's right, Grayson isn't wired like those guys. He gets into a funk and a lot as shey said is because he's putting way too much pressure on himself- kid can't do anything right by anyone. If it's not the media, it's opposing fans. When it's not them it's our own turning on him and overreacting.

He took some bad shots today- didn't play well. That was what cost his team while he was in- it wasn't some extra curricular garbage. He didn't deserve a T there and thus I'm not holding that against him. He's got to play better, for that I'll hold him accountable and like any other player we have expect better from him. We know he is capable.

I agree with everything you guys wrote.

 

[Kobe #1]

I hope he DOES comeback and gets physically right over the summer!

I will take a healthy Grayson Allen every day of the week and twice on Sunday! I also think he can get in a better place with a little time off and then a reset this summer if he comes back.

 

[gottagonow]

The way I look at it is Grayson is one of our kids and I will support him unless he trips again, in which case I'll agree with what show said.

I just didn't think that what he did today was deserving of a T. His reputation is what got Grayson a T today which is unfortunate because he plays with such intensity and in others eyes can do very little right. I also hope he comes back and plays with control but doubt he will.

 

[Showenuff]

I'm disappointed in a few of these posts. I think possibly some of you consider me a "hater" because I dislike some of Grayson's antics. That's silly. I also think a couple of you thought that I said he made an obvious dirty play TODAY. I did not. If you ever meet me in person, you'll quickly find I'm a no nonsense straight forward kinda fella. I love toughness and hard play as well as FairPlay and sportsmanship. I don't hate Grayson at all. I pull hard for him every game. And yes , he gets a bum rap a lot now, all the more reason for him to rise above it. We DO look past some of his antics because we are fans. All you guys saying that T was BS today are the same guys that would go apeshit if Kennedy Meeks slammed a ball on the floor and yelled "FU*K!" Bottom line, it's crunch time, play tough, man up and lead us.

 

[Mpm277]

Grayson reminds me so much of Boogie Cousins. They are both so extremely competitive and have a ridiculous amount of heart, but are also mentally immature; so when things don't go their way on the court, it's a combination that creates results and antics you see in these two players. Grayson wouldn't have these antics and this bad reputation if he didn't have an unmatched competitiveness and passion for the game, as well as extreme standards for himself. But he also wouldn't have it if he was more mentally mature.

 

[hart2chesson]

I am not going to excuse Grayson's behavior for even a skinny minute. I also think he pushed the envelope today with his actions for any player, given the proximity to the official. I can understand the T.

However, like I said- I still love the kid, hes a model student, and anyone who I know who has ever met and talked to him has been thoroughly impressed. I have a real problem with the media psychoanalyzing him.

OFC

 

[pisgah101]

I loved Grayson Allen before the season but guess what.... I still love him! If I could keep him at Duke for many years I would. He loves his school and the fans and he loves the game. He's the right kind of player that plays with every emotion and with all he has. The tripping is bad nobody can excuse that but the rest of this crap? Give me a break! He got a T today and against Carolina because of reputation simple as that. He's playing hurt and lacks his explosiveness but the season isn't over. I want him back next year because I LOVE him in a Duke jersey and we stand a better chance of winning with fighters like him. If I had to pick someone on this team to go to battle with I'd let him watch my back any day

 

[dukiejay]

All you guys saying that T was BS today are the same guys that would go apeshit if Kennedy Meeks slammed a ball on the floor and yelled "FU*K!"

Wrong. Wrong. Wrong. Duke players, UNC players, and players all over college basketball have done what Grayson did today. What the Syracuse player did in the game prior to Duke's was more demonstrative. Same with the VT player tonight. Those types of action/reactions are typically afterthoughts in basketball. Plain and simple.

We can argue Grayson needs to be more cognizant of his actions and not so much as pass gas when in the arena, but that's exactly the kind of thing(s) he shouldn't have to worry about. He's done some stupid things. We've established that. Today was only a big story because it was Grayson. Period.

Christian Laettner was much worse than Grayson Allen. Of course, basketball was different then too. If the 'stomp' happened today Laettner would be kicked out of the game and suspended for a month, at minimum.

 

[hart2chesson]

I loved Grayson Allen before the season but guess what.... I still love him! If I could keep him at Duke for years I would. He loves his school and the fans and he loves the game. He's the right kind of player that plays with every emotion and will all he has. The tripping is bad nobody can excuse that but the rest of this crap? Give me a break! He got a T today and against Carolina because of reputation simple as that. He's playing hurt and lacks his explosiveness but the season isn't over. I want him back next year because I LOVE him in a Duke jersey and we stand a better chance of winning with fighters like him. If I had to pick someone on this team to go to battle with I'd let him watch my back any day

Nice post Pisgah- would love to have him back as a Blue Devil too!!!

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[Mpm277]

Wrong. Wrong. Wrong. Duke players, UNC players, and players all over college basketball have done what Grayson did today. What the Syracuse player did in the game prior to Duke's was more demonstrative. Same with the VT player tonight. Those types of action/reactions are typically afterthoughts in basketball. Plain and simple.

Are you saying most people wouldn't want Meeks T'd up for the exact same thing? I don't think what Grayson did today was bad at all - but I do think if it were and opposing player then we'd be yelling to T him up. And I know I've seen other players T'd up for the exact same thing, such as UK's Isaac Humphries last year, so it wasn't necessarily based on reputation.

 

[hallside]

At this point I feel bad for Grayson more than anything. He got what was coming for him after the third trip but that was months ago now. I'm completely over that. He got the T today because of his history. Can't practice and only played 12 minutes today, and struggled badly. Doesn't mean he can't go off for 20 in the rest of the games. We need him to make a run. Duke fans forget so easily that without him we are still only 4x national champs. Don't let ESPN get in your head. He's a good kid who's been hurt most of the season, booed every time he touches the ball away from cameron, and had a microscope on him for 16 months. Gotta feel for him. The team succeeds when he plays well, here's to him!

 

[Showenuff]

Mpm .... right, right, right.

 

[dukiejay]

Are you saying most people wouldn't want Meeks T'd up for the exact same thing? I don't think what Grayson did today was bad at all - but I do think if it were and opposing player then we'd be yelling to T him up. And I know I've seen other players T'd up for the exact same thing, such as UK's Isaac Humphries last year, so it wasn't necessarily based on reputation.

If Kennedy Meeks did it tonight and wasn't T'd up? Yes, then I'd be pissed because of what happened today. Joel Berry did do it earlier this season....and I don't recall outrage here. I don't tend to lose my lunch over something so relatively harmless.

Grayson got a T because 1) he didn't corral the ball off the bounce and 2) because he's Grayson.

 

[DevilDJ]

The tripping incidents are inexcusable, but the rest of it.. play on. I don't want to see 5 choir boys out there


TWO of 'em were. The one vs XRM? That FSU azzwipe instigated the entire thing...even threw the first punch , so to speak , by popping Grayson on the back of the head. And he did it AFTER stalking Grayson as the game was ending just so he could go over to Allen , talk smack , pop Grayson in the back of the head then run off like a little betch. Some of these haters need to learn something..."If you're gonna give a history lesson , at least get your facts straight." Don't get me wrong. Not making excuses for the other 2 incidents and I'm on record as stating my disappointment in K for not sitting Grayson longer than 1 game. But I digress. The FSU incident should be viewed for what it was...2 guys who had been goin' at each other and it boiled over as the back-n-forth (de)evolved from talk to physicality. At worst , it was 50/50 fault. Seein' as how XRM STARTED it , that's the best I can do to mitigate his involvement. BTW , ESPN is in full-on ignore unx scandal/ignore KU issues and bash Duke mode. The FIRST clip they showed tonight when doing highlights of Duke/Clemson was Grayson's tech. This AFTER they made a special effort to allow unx to run a recruiting pitch with Jordan during half-time last weekend. Gawd.

 

[MyDudeG_rivals]

Nobody will convince me that what he did today was out of line. He got the technical because he didn't corral the ball when he slammed it on the floor, it's as simple as that. He's an emotional player and he was completely in the wrong with the trips, but today was nothing out of the ordinary for a lot of players out there. Give me a guy who cares too much than a guy that doesn't care enough any day of the week.

 

[Showenuff]

Grayson got a T because 1) he didn't corral the ball off the bounce and 2) because he's Grayson.

And 3) screamed Fu*K! When he did it. Stupid stuff costs us, all I'm saying. He has to let the heat die down.

 

[Mac9192]

Nobody will convince me that what he did today was out of line. He got the technical because he didn't corral the ball when he slammed it on the floor, it's as simple as that. He's an emotional player and he was completely in the wrong with the trips, but today was nothing out of the ordinary for a lot of players out there. Give me a guy who cares too much than a guy that doesn't care enough any day of the week.

The problem though is that offensively, he's went from stud to dud.

 

[Mac9192]

And 3) screamed Fu*K! When he did it. Stupid stuff costs us, all I'm saying. He has to let the heat die down.

Yes sir. All this other stuff is bad enough, but to pour salt in the wound, his game is nowhere to what he's capable of and needed

 

[MyDudeG_rivals]

The problem though is that offensively, he's went from stud to dud.

I think that the injuries are the major factor in that. He just hasn't looked right since after the UNC game. Even him running down the court he seems to be struggling at some points.

 

[GAAP_rivals]

The tripping incidents are inexcusable, but the rest of it.. play on. I don't want to see 5 choir boys out there


TWO of 'em were. The one vs XRM? That FSU azzwipe instigated the entire thing...even threw the first punch , so to speak , by popping Grayson on the back of the head. And he did it AFTER stalking Grayson as the game was ending just so he could go over to Allen , talk smack , pop Grayson in the back of the head then run off like a little betch. Some of these haters need to learn something..."If you're gonna give a history lesson , at least get your facts straight." Don't get me wrong. Not making excuses for the other 2 incidents and I'm on record as stating my disappointment in K for not sitting Grayson longer than 1 game. But I digress. The FSU incident should be viewed for what it was...2 guys who had been goin' at each other and it boiled over as the back-n-forth (de)evolved from talk to physicality. At worst , it was 50/50 fault. Seein' as how XRM STARTED it , that's the best I can do to mitigate his involvement. BTW , ESPN is in full-on ignore unx scandal/ignore KU issues and bash Duke mode. The FIRST clip they showed tonight when doing highlights of Duke/Clemson was Grayson's tech. This AFTER they made a special effort to allow unx to run a recruiting pitch with Jordan during half-time last weekend. Gawd.

I almost heaved my guts after the FSU loss this year when XRM was playing the victim card in a post game interview.

 

[DukeDenver]

I think that the injuries are the major factor in that. He just hasn't looked right since after the UNC game. Even him running down the court he seems to be struggling at some points.

Just look at his highlights from UNLV. The guy was rising and dunking with ease. How many dunks has he had since January? I can't even remember one. His legs aren't right. His shot has turned into a set shot flick as well. This season has been hard on everyone.

 

[crazyduke3]

If Kennedy Meeks did it tonight and wasn't T'd up? Yes, then I'd be pissed because of what happened today. Joel Berry did do it earlier this season....and I don't recall outrage here. I don't tend to lose my lunch over something so relatively harmless.

Grayson got a T because 1) he didn't corral the ball off the bounce and 2) because he's Grayson.

Agreed. After today I'd want it on all players. But before I'd be like chill out dude at worse.

Go Duke.

 

[Duke It Out]

Grayson's antics and play have had minimal impact as far as what has held this team back. Injuries, defense, and PG play are much bigger issues for this team IMO.

Grayson Allen should be your least worry if your a Duke fan. When Clemson went on that run afterwards, Marques practically handed the ball off to them to start the fast break. On the next play, Frank made a horrible pass that started another Clemson fast break. Grayson only got the technical because the ball got away from him combined with his reputation.

I'm not sure what is so hard to understand. He took a bunch of crap for so called "dirty" plays, and to the extent he received it was a bit unjust if you ask me. On top of that, he is banged up. So he is trying to be this calm guy on the court(which he isn't) while playing with the same intensity level and injured? Sort of frustrating don't you think? He had 2 drives to the basket today that ended in him missing a floater and a finger roll. Those were drives he finishes with a dunk. He isn't himself. The whole thing is wearing on him.

Like I said up top, this kid is catching hell for little to nothing. Take a look around. Have any of you heard about what is going on in Lawerence, Kansas? Enough for ESPN to talk about it but they don't. What about the Mixon kid that punched the girl? Did he get slammed by the media? No.

 

[Baller224]

The tripping incidents are inexcusable, but the rest of it.. play on. I don't want to see 5 choir boys out there


TWO of 'em were. The one vs XRM? That FSU azzwipe instigated the entire thing...even threw the first punch , so to speak , by popping Grayson on the back of the head. And he did it AFTER stalking Grayson as the game was ending just so he could go over to Allen , talk smack , pop Grayson in the back of the head then run off like a little betch. Some of these haters need to learn something..."If you're gonna give a history lesson , at least get your facts straight." Don't get me wrong. Not making excuses for the other 2 incidents and I'm on record as stating my disappointment in K for not sitting Grayson longer than 1 game. But I digress. The FSU incident should be viewed for what it was...2 guys who had been goin' at each other and it boiled over as the back-n-forth (de)evolved from talk to physicality. At worst , it was 50/50 fault. Seein' as how XRM STARTED it , that's the best I can do to mitigate his involvement. BTW , ESPN is in full-on ignore unx scandal/ignore KU issues and bash Duke mode. The FIRST clip they showed tonight when doing highlights of Duke/Clemson was Grayson's tech. This AFTER they made a special effort to allow unx to run a recruiting pitch with Jordan during half-time last weekend. Gawd.

Trust me DJ, you aren't going to find too many bigger Grayson fans than myself, you don't have to explain it to me. I get it. We are all frustrated for a number of different reasons... just hoping for a sweet ending.

 

[DukeCE2006]

Could care less about the technical and could care less about the media attention it receives.

What I do care about is the fact that Grayson has been horrendous for 3 weeks now and only seems to be getting worse. I understand the injury questions with him, however today he did seem to be much more mobile than last week, and still was awful.

Agreed Completely. His numbers are way down across the board this year and is in the midst of a 12-50 slump. The two 3s he jacked yesterday were off from the very start. If the ankle is the scoring problem, I would sit him for the rest of the ACC tourney. We are pretty much locked in as a 4 seed at this point.

 

[pisgah101]

Agreed Completely. His numbers are way down across the board this year and is in the midst of a 12-50 slump. The two 3s he jacked yesterday were off from the very start. If the ankle is the scoring problem, I would sit him for the rest of the ACC tourney. We are pretty much locked in as a 4 seed at this point.

No we arent

 

[germantondevil]

Graysons play is a direct reflection of being on display most of the year by the media. Does anybody remember that 3 BBall players at Mizzu was arrested for rape or that Josh Jackson has issues with vandalizing cars and also leaving the scene of a wreck, or is all you know about Josh Jackson is he will be a top 5 pick in the upcoming draft. The damn media chose to ride Graysons back and not really mess with other players that have to defend their selves in a court of law.

 

[DukeCE2006]

No we arent

Well of course if we win the ACC Tourney we would move higher, but I was thinking we wouldn't drop below a 4 seed. What were you thinking?

 

[K-oach Q]

I personally don't think slamming the ball is what is what got him the T, but screaming what he did when he did it...you just can't do that...especially Grayson...I think any player should of been T'd up for that....

All I'm saying is he should know better..and he clearly does not..which to me is the problem...and when he does thing like that it hurts the team which is the other problem....

Moving on though...he needs to get out of this funk..injury or not this team isn't going anywhere with him playing like this...hope he flips it around very soon....

 

[pisgah101]

Well of course if we win the ACC Tourney we would move higher, but I was thinking we wouldn't drop below a 4 seed. What were you thinking?

No I agree we don't drop below but if we win I could see us at a 2 we have already won the most games against the top 50 and to win the ACC would be 3 more. I could even see us a 3 if we win today and have a good show against the heels. I'm not saying it's likely but it's possible

 

[BOOGIEMAN1914]

The tripping incidents are inexcusable, but the rest of it.. play on. I don't want to see 5 choir boys out there


TWO of 'em were. The one vs XRM? That FSU azzwipe instigated the entire thing...even threw the first punch , so to speak , by popping Grayson on the back of the head. And he did it AFTER stalking Grayson as the game was ending just so he could go over to Allen , talk smack , pop Grayson in the back of the head then run off like a little betch. Some of these haters need to learn something..."If you're gonna give a history lesson , at least get your facts straight." Don't get me wrong. Not making excuses for the other 2 incidents and I'm on record as stating my disappointment in K for not sitting Grayson longer than 1 game. But I digress. The FSU incident should be viewed for what it was...2 guys who had been goin' at each other and it boiled over as the back-n-forth (de)evolved from talk to physicality. At worst , it was 50/50 fault. Seein' as how XRM STARTED it , that's the best I can do to mitigate his involvement. BTW , ESPN is in full-on ignore unx scandal/ignore KU issues and bash Duke mode. The FIRST clip they showed tonight when doing highlights of Duke/Clemson was Grayson's tech. This AFTER they made a special effort to allow unx to run a recruiting pitch with Jordan during half-time last weekend. Gawd.

thats how i saw the fsu incident as well.....tech in the unc game is warranted hit him with elbow although seemed unintentional....he attacks that way all the time, brob was just playing tight defense and in the perfect stance for that contact to occur....kids curse all the time on the court....if he corralled the ball it would of been nothing imo

 

[LongTimeDukeFan]

If Kennedy Meeks did it tonight and wasn't T'd up? Yes, then I'd be pissed because of what happened today. Joel Berry did do it earlier this season....and I don't recall outrage here. I don't tend to lose my lunch over something so relatively harmless.

Grayson got a T because 1) he didn't corral the ball off the bounce and 2) because he's Grayson.

DukieJay -- I think you got the order wrong: Grayson got a T because 1) because he's Grayson and 2) he didn't corral the ball off the bounce.

Grayson will be getting called:
When he looks at a player.
When he doesn't look at a player.
When he is standing close to a player.
When a player dibbles by him.
When he dibbles by another player.
When he.....whatever.

Grayson has let a couple of seconds of stupidity define his college basketball career and because of the media presence of Duke will have it recorded for a lifetime.

I do not want to imagine the worst thing that I have done to be recorded and re-played over and over again. It is like the nightmare version of Groundhog Day.

If he decides to come back to Duke, he has more mettle than I do.

 

[timo0402]

Meanwhile one of the Morris twins purposely kicked Mason Plumlee in the nuts hard yesterday and got ejected. Didn't see that anywhere mentioned today.

 

[QC Dukie]

No I agree we don't drop below but if we win I could see us at a 2 we have already won the most games against the top 50 and to win the ACC would be 3 more. I could even see us a 3 if we win today and have a good show against the heels. I'm not saying it's likely but it's possible

Oh I definitely see us moving up to a three with a win today. Win today and tomorrow and we are on the two seed line.

 

[OldasdirtDevil]

Pretty much sums it up for me too. The fact I have to defend this kid vs our own fans is crazy to me- you literally would think he killed someone's dog. He absolutely brought this on himself with the three trips, but this whole entire thing is blown so out of proportion. If what he did today deserves a tech then I should be thrown in the slammer for going 10mph over the speed limit.

I agree he has to know that every micro thing he does is going to be scrutinized by fifty different camera angles, which by the way were on him the entire game even before the call. But he can't lose his edge either.

We talked about this in the other thread about the grant hill comments- he's right, Grayson isn't wired like those guys. He gets into a funk and a lot as shey said is because he's putting way too much pressure on himself- kid can't do anything right by anyone. If it's not the media, it's opposing fans. When it's not them it's our own turning on him and overreacting.

He took some bad shots today- didn't play well. That was what cost his team while he was in- it wasn't some extra curricular garbage. He didn't deserve a T there and thus I'm not holding that against him. He's got to play better, for that I'll hold him accountable and like any other player we have expect better from him. We know he is capable.

It's unreal, Timo. And absolutely, Grayson played like crap, and that can definitely be discussed. I don't know what to expect from him because he's really struggling, both physically, and mentally. I'm still hoping that he'll somehow find a way to get his mojo back.

OFC

 

[jcdevilfan]

Well, I think everything has pretty much been said, so for my part, there isn't any sense in beating that dog any more. Since Grayson is one of my all-time favorite Duke players, I will say that for all of his mistakes, I still love this kid to the very end. I have been and will remain on his bandwagon to the end, and it is not over yet folks.
Grayson will make some good noise before this is all over. It may be today, tomorrow, or not until the NCAAT, but he will not leave Duke this way! He loves Duke too much and has too much pride. He just needs that ankle to come around. I said it many times before and will say it to the end, we will go as far as he takes us. It's coming folks, you can believe it, and soon you may be saying, "Here Comes Grayson". Stay tuned, and for now, "Nuff Said".
Go Duke!
OFC

 

[LongTimeDukeFan]

Meanwhile one of the Morris twins purposely kicked Mason Plumlee in the nuts hard yesterday and got ejected. Didn't see that anywhere mentioned today.

I agree. Not sure I can put a "Like" on that....

 

[LongTimeDukeFan]

Well, I think everything has pretty much been said, so for my part, there isn't any sense in beating that dog any more. Since Grayson is one of my all-time favorite Duke players, I will say that for all of his mistakes, I still love this kid to the very end. I have been and will remain on his bandwagon to the end, and it is not over yet folks.
Grayson will make some good noise before this is all over. It may be today, tomorrow, or not until the NCAAT, but he will not leave Duke this way! He loves Duke too much and has too much pride. He just needs that ankle to come around. I said it many times before and will say it to the end, we will go as far as he takes us. It's coming folks, you can believe it, and soon you may be saying, "Here Comes Grayson". Stay tuned, and for now, "Nuff Said".
Go Duke!
OFC

Being a Duke fan, I am use to getting constant grief. Since Grayson's witch hunt I feel like I am just getting barraged constantly with cr@p -- some in jest, some not. Still love Grayson, still love Coach K, still love Duke and Duke basketball.

And still a Duke fan....Good luck Grayson.

And to the rest of the basketball universe. Bring it, because Grayson, Luke, Amile, Jayson, Frank, Matt, and the rest of the team will -- oh yeah they WILL. Let's go Blue Devils!!