Great play ....
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Kind of reminds me of a Peyton Manning play a few years ago where he fakes confusion with the sidelines and starts walking that way and the ball gets snapped directly to the RB. Couldn't find it on youtube.
I'm going to get **** for this - I don't care - I think that play is for pussies. I don't mind trick plays like the Statue of Liberty, fake kneel down, fake spike, or the all-time greatest, the fumblerooski - also know as the Annexation of Puerto Rico. Those plays involve getting the defense to bite on something that isn't happening - all elements involved are part of the game. It's the defense's job to identify it and adjust. If they don't - congrats, offense.
I don't like this particular play because it exploits an element outside of the game itself. The offense is asserting that an official or somebody on the sideline screwed up their job by having the wrong ball placed on the field. If the offense acts as if it's bailing on the play to get a new ball in the game (which I assume they have a right to), then an officials timeout should occur. You can't decide that the ball isn't fit to allow a live play, then change your mind and run it in for a TD. That's weak.
I bet the coach that called the play would have bitched had someone on D not fallen for it and nailed his QB. I can't wait for the clip that has the QB (an adult preferably, not a kid) getting his arm snapped on this exact play.
I don't like this particular play because it exploits an element outside of the game itself. The offense is asserting that an official or somebody on the sideline screwed up their job by having the wrong ball placed on the field. If the offense acts as if it's bailing on the play to get a new ball in the game (which I assume they have a right to), then an officials timeout should occur. You can't decide that the ball isn't fit to allow a live play, then change your mind and run it in for a TD. That's weak.
I bet the coach that called the play would have bitched had someone on D not fallen for it and nailed his QB. I can't wait for the clip that has the QB (an adult preferably, not a kid) getting his arm snapped on this exact play.
I also hate that "wrong ball" play. It s cowardly.
But a guy lined up way wide on a FG or punt is totally legit. Somebody did that successfully in the last week or two. Forget who that ways. Pretty sure it was D1 college football.
If I understand it right, after 3rd down, 11 guys are walking off the field and one stops just in bounds. The kicking team sends out 10 people. Or maybe they send out 11 and one guy just stops one foot on to the field. Anyway, its just a subtle way to get a guy lined up wide. If the defense doesn't see him out there, too bad.
Its a formation trick. Its not some kind of lame A-11 offense, wrong ball, or fumblerooski.
But a guy lined up way wide on a FG or punt is totally legit. Somebody did that successfully in the last week or two. Forget who that ways. Pretty sure it was D1 college football.
If I understand it right, after 3rd down, 11 guys are walking off the field and one stops just in bounds. The kicking team sends out 10 people. Or maybe they send out 11 and one guy just stops one foot on to the field. Anyway, its just a subtle way to get a guy lined up wide. If the defense doesn't see him out there, too bad.
Its a formation trick. Its not some kind of lame A-11 offense, wrong ball, or fumblerooski.
GA Tech scored a touchdown on a fake FG by doing this against Clemson this year. Demaryius Thomas was the one by the sideline, and they snapped it to the kicker who lobbed it out to Thomas. But I don't get why people say this should be illegal. He was on the field the whole time. It's like Flab said. He walked toward the sideline like the other 10 guys on offense and then stopped. The kicking team sent out 10 guys. They even showed him point to the official to make sure he was lined up correctly on the line of scrimmage. It's not like he jumped in bounds at the last possible second. It's up to the defense to make sure everyone is accounted for. If Notre Dame should've gotten a penalty, then they must of done something different than this.
Rule 9-6-4d: It is illegal participation to use a player, replaced player, substitute, coach, trainer or other attendant in a substitution or pretended substitution to deceive opponents at or immediately before the snap or free kick.
Wrong call
After reviewing tape that featured shots from several angles, the Pac-10's coordinator of football officials said the Pac-10 crew that worked last week's game at Notre Dame erred by not calling a penalty against the Fighting Irish on a fake field-goal play.
Notre Dame set up its first touchdown with a 25-yard gain that was achieved when the holder took a snap and then passed to a receiver, who had remained in bounds near the Notre Dame sideline when the field-goal unit came onto the field.
"It appears a foul should have been called for using substitutions to deceive," Dave Cutaia said.
Cutaia said Notre Dame should have been assessed a 15-yard penalty from the previous spot and repeated the down.
Wrong call
After reviewing tape that featured shots from several angles, the Pac-10's coordinator of football officials said the Pac-10 crew that worked last week's game at Notre Dame erred by not calling a penalty against the Fighting Irish on a fake field-goal play.
Notre Dame set up its first touchdown with a 25-yard gain that was achieved when the holder took a snap and then passed to a receiver, who had remained in bounds near the Notre Dame sideline when the field-goal unit came onto the field.
"It appears a foul should have been called for using substitutions to deceive," Dave Cutaia said.
Cutaia said Notre Dame should have been assessed a 15-yard penalty from the previous spot and repeated the down.
or something like that. Way I see it is if you can't tell who is on the damn field and who isn't, it's your fault.
but I still don't see why it would be illegal to line up someone next to the sideline. There are always players that remain on the field in FG and punt situations. It's up to the defense to find them. It's no different than a FB like Hanrahan playing on 3rd down, then staying on the field for punt coverage or FG unit on 4th down. Or you could have one of the 11 FG unit guys come onto the field with the rest of the unit, but just stop close the sideline. The rule states that you can't use a player to deceive opponents at or immediately before the snap or free kick. Again, I didn't see the ND game, but what Tech did was legal. Did ND sneak someone on the field right before the snap?
are two totally different things.. I have no doubt that a lot of refs probably don't even know that rule. If you have a guy hanging around the sideline trying to act like he's NOT in the game when he really IS, that's using substitutions to deceive and it's illegal.
with the ball being passed backwards (away from the line of scrimmage). That's it. That's all. The center can snap it between his legs, pick the ball up and hand it backwards to the QB, throw it overhanded to a WR, toss it underhanded to a RB, throw a bounce pass to he slot receiver, throw it over his head with hands, etc. As long as the center passes the ball backwards, it is a legal start for a play from scrimmage.
These days, the most common occurrence of this sort of play in college is when the defense is caught napping on a PAT. The offensive team will huddle outsidee of the hash marks, the center will break from the huddle first, go pick the ball up, and throw it over to the other 10 guys still huddling. If timed correctly, this usually always ends up in a two point conversion.
These days, the most common occurrence of this sort of play in college is when the defense is caught napping on a PAT. The offensive team will huddle outsidee of the hash marks, the center will break from the huddle first, go pick the ball up, and throw it over to the other 10 guys still huddling. If timed correctly, this usually always ends up in a two point conversion.