This.
The Apologists continue to invent new excuses. Greg is above all accountability to them. Really laughable when you think about it.
Greg 2.0 now 2-16 in November and Maryland now owns us
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The Apologists continue to invent new excuses. Greg is above all accountability to them. Really laughable when you think about it.
We all can multitask, you can support the program and the Coaches, but rightfully question the results, as while better, are still mediocre.
Rumored to want the Rutgers job last time, or to be on Hobbs' shortlist were Bret Bielema ( Illinois 6-6 ) and Jersey's own Jeb Fisch ( Arizona 9-3 ). Both were ridiculed by Schiano sycophants who posted both suck. Now neither is Nick Saban, but who's to say they wouldn't have succeeded at Rutgers.
I want Schiano to WIN, but any casual fan can go back and look at who his team's beat and where they finished. Some coach's are great at taking a dumpster fire and making them better so they earn respect with favorable scheduling.. This is our coach. He has not shown he can lead us beyond that, and we can't play the same types of schedules we played in Schiano 1.0.
Rumored to want the Rutgers job last time, or to be on Hobbs' shortlist were Bret Bielema ( Illinois 6-6 ) and Jersey's own Jeb Fisch ( Arizona 9-3 ). Both were ridiculed by Schiano sycophants who posted both suck. Now neither is Nick Saban, but who's to say they wouldn't have succeeded at Rutgers.
I want Schiano to WIN, but any casual fan can go back and look at who his team's beat and where they finished. Some coach's are great at taking a dumpster fire and making them better so they earn respect with favorable scheduling.. This is our coach. He has not shown he can lead us beyond that, and we can't play the same types of schedules we played in Schiano 1.0.
Illinois is 5-7. So...we should prefer 5-7 in the 10x easier division? They didn't even play tOSU or Michigan lol.
Arizona played one team in the top 20 (Washington) and lost. We played 4. Think their schedule is maybe a little easier?
Rumored candidates could have seen what RU was offering and decided not to pursue talks..
There is a reason Schiano was hired instead of the rumored help, Rutgers wasn't going to give the type of support most looking into the job thought was needed to succeed.
As it stood,Hobbs wasn't going to give Schiano what he wanted until the fanbase pressured him into giving Greg some of what Schiano wanted , but made sure salary was low ( for a B1G HC) in which a deal was made and Schiano hired.
Like it or not: Greg Schiano was the best HC RU money could buy.
That's because RU wasn't offering the best when it came to salary and support .
Since Frank Burns , until Greg1 , RU has been a graveyard for those who took on the challenge of being RU's HC and after leaving HC opportunities for them were nil.
Same the end of the G1 era to when the G2 era started.
Greg will win , but it will be ugly and even though RU will have a bowl qualifying record
most years, RU will not be one of the betterB1G programs under him because the offense will stink up the Shi and RU fans won't feel like it's a program they can brag about.
Until Rutgers is willing to pay what it takes to build a top program, Schiano is the best RU will get and he isn't the type to build a program that will be anything more than a constant minor bowl participant the way he has his team play the game.
Would Arizona's HC be better, this year makes it look so , but he's 15-23 in his three years
and time will tell if this year is a sigh of greatness or a one year wonder.
No one really can say if he looked at RU and said it was a place he could win at or seen what RU needed com[pared it to the support he felt would be given and gave RU a hard pass because he didn't feel he'd get the type of support he needed to succeed.
Bielema needed to show he was looking for employment when his name was tied to the Rutgers vacancy , can't say if he wanted the position or used talking about it to help him get the money from Arkansas he was after.
He's another one who could have looked, seen what was offered demanded better and never had talks resume because Rutgers wasn't going to give him what he wanted.
Illinois went 5-7 this season a decline for his 8-5 last year and he's 18-19 for the 3 years he has been the Fighting Illini's HC.
Next year will see if he's building a winner or this second year was a fluke.
But he's been a winner in the past so that might be the reason he looked at Rutgrs offer and felt it wasn't a winning one
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Notice the Schiano sycophants stopped talking about Kansas, who finished 8-4 and beat Oklahoma in Year 3.
Both squads never played a game like Rutgers did Iowa. My point, and belief, is we would be comparable if not better with these coaches. Just because we had a Flood of disaster followed by an Ash Heap doesn't mean only 1 man can do this job. If you disagree you should stop caring whenever Schiano leaves Rutgers.
Great point! They all love to play with semantics and talk themselves up, but are very careful NOT to stray too far from their narrow path.
If they are honest, since they think only Schiano can "win" at Rutgers, they should stop caring about the program when he leaves.
I hope time proves you right. That said, Rutgers ended up betting against itself, as coach wasn't in demand after OSU. To me the late season crap show is inexcusable. At least play hard, we didn't.
Honestly we did show much improvement in the beginning of this season… at the end we looked overmatched…. like all Schiano’s teams normally perform in November. The lack of planning, preparation, and play calling in the Iowa and Maryland games are inexcusable. Right now I am sure VT and Northwestern would beat us rather handily. Next season this BS need to stop.
Every other coach we have had besides Schiano has been dog$hit.
Be happy we got Schiano and embrace the stinking less
I don't quite understand the mindset of some of these posters, the "Rutgers is the hardest place to win" mindset and that only Schiano has the unique abilities to succeed, both of which are almost certainly not true, but they're wedded to it. As a result they often exaggerate the quality of achievements, which are not nothing--lots of other coaches can't even get to mediocre--but are ultimately not exceptional and not reason to lock a coach in indefinitely.
Should we be happy with a coach with 4 consecutive winless seasons?
(the Ohio St season, the Iowa season, the Penn St season, and the Maryland season)
(the Ohio St season, the Iowa season, the Penn St season, and the Maryland season)
Yes that has been our fate. However Rutgers seems to have better management. I just think it is wrong to lionize this one coach, even though we do stink less. If we had the same record, but showed effort and desire, I would feel differently. Not only did we lose for a month, most looked like they hadn't done any football activities since October.
100%! I posted only after hearing Schiano's post game press conference. He went so far as to dispute he has his recruiting classes in. He wants next year to be the barometer, which made me go down memory lane.
Some here sadly will never run out of excuses. After all Fred Gruniger is long gone, and Littlepage is not our basketball coach. The times have changed!
Late season crap show, true.
But team did well enough to qualify for the second bowl game in the 4 years Greg's been back.
1st time was because of academics, like Minnesota this year, but Rutgers made it on performance this time and that does help get the smell of the crapshow out of nose.
3 of the last 4 game losses were to
( current ranking)
#6 Ohio State
#10 Penn State
#17 Iowa
4th loss Maryland was a bummer
earlier in season (2) losses
Wisconsin ( ended season 7-5)a lost opportunity
while losing to #2 Michigan was expected
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Let's be a little realistic, I don't like a 4 game losing streak in November. But is anyone aware that that of the 14 teams in the big ten only Minnesota won a game against OSU, PSU, Michigan and Iowa. (they beat each other but only Iowa lost a game to another Big Ten Team) Who realistically thought we should have beaten Iowa, Michigan, or PSU?
Ticks me off we lost to Maryland, but without getting pressure on Tua or Tua taking a dump there was no chance no matter how good GW played or GS coached. Tua is arguably the best QB in the league, lets see what Maryland looks like next yr without him.
There is such a huge talent gap between the top 3 or 4 teams and the rest of the league it is very unlikely that someone else beats them. A QB like Tua actually gives you a chance, Michigan/ Maryland.
Ticks me off we lost to Maryland, but without getting pressure on Tua or Tua taking a dump there was no chance no matter how good GW played or GS coached. Tua is arguably the best QB in the league, lets see what Maryland looks like next yr without him.
There is such a huge talent gap between the top 3 or 4 teams and the rest of the league it is very unlikely that someone else beats them. A QB like Tua actually gives you a chance, Michigan/ Maryland.
It's excuses. The really great coaches get it done. Schiano has done a lot for the program but he's not a great coach and 15 years of HC at Rutgers is enough time to do something, anything great beyond 1 game. What's going to magically change now?
Just so I understand, you'd rather be 5-7 with a weaker schedule so long as it didn't include a game like we had against Iowa?
This.. 2-15 or 2-16 in November does it really matter.That’s the point you wish to make?!
We continue to hear after these mounting losses “this one on the Coach and his game preparation “ or “the team wasn’t ready to play “
An ongoing concern with our HC.