I agree it's ignorant. I don't think he had the intent to be racially inflammatory. So the question is, when someone is ignorant, and willing to learn, apologize, and be enlightened, and improve, what do you do? Cancel them? That response doesn't create a lot of incentive for people with some ignorance to try to improve.
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It was a poor choice of words and that is all. Plantations still exist. It is not a negative word unless we want it to be. There are words and one specifically we should not and do not use anymore. Plantation is not one of them. Poor choice but not racially motivated imo. Stop the insanity.
Redskins, Peter Pan and Dr Zeuss. Nothing wrong with any of those words. People who make them negative are the problem.
Redskins, Peter Pan and Dr Zeuss. Nothing wrong with any of those words. People who make them negative are the problem.
the phrase I have heard is stay "on the reservation" or "off the reservation", which upon reflection and depending upon its etiology may be as bad or even worse...
.The history of African-Americans on plantations is that they were slaves there. The history of white Americans on plantations is that they owned those slaves. Telling a black person and a white person to "stay on the plantation" therefore has two very opposite meaning to those two people.
Sorry but Redskin is the white man's term for native Americans. And making your sports team mascot a race or ethnicity, it's very offensive. Maybe not to you because you aren't the one being offended. But you shouldn't have trouble seeing it from the perspective of a native American seeing the "Redskins" in the news. Dr. Zuess is great. There were a few books that depicted Chinese and Black people in a negative light. Taking them out of circulation is the right thing. If you were Chinese or Black, seeing those images would piss you off. I think people need a little balance. Cancel culture is out of hand. But people that won't give an inch, and won't agree that some things are racist and offensive, feed into the hypercharged polarized atmosphere where nobody even tries to see things from the point of view of the other side.
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I would say, people should be held accountable.
First timers, should be educated and an opportunity to be judged by actions/comments moving forward. Without this, we want people to change without any avenue to really do so.
Now for people that have established patterns for repeat offenses should face harsher consequences and be the ones to face cancellation.
Dr. Zeuss? Did he get canceled for raping women in the form of a swan?
Also, redskins is racist as F and get over it already.
im definitely flexible and we’ve all changed our ways over the years. I’m all for it. If someone called their team the fighting Irish I would be okay with that. Oh wait their already do.
Team nicknames are not appreciated if it puts a group in a derogatory light.
Fighting Irish can be considered a group that will defend itself from attack.
When someone is said to be a fighter, usually it means that person will stand up for themself
or what they believe.
Let the nickname be Drunken Irish and that's a different story.
That was an Irish Catholic school. You don't see the difference? I mean really, you don't see the difference? That's like saying it's the same when a sports team in Israel calls themselves the Fighting Maccabees as if a Christian school called their team the Fighting Kikes. One is OK.
I disagree but you do you. To me skin is just a color and most pale faced people spend hours trying to get red or tan: I have zero issues with the Redskins name. If you do that is fine. There are a lot of great songs with references to skin color. Better start cancelling them all. Cancel John Lennon and the Beatles. Racists. Lmao
Don’t forget the racist Bruce Springsteen in Born in the USA.
The Fightibg Irish triggers me personally because it reminds me of them having to fight for freedom against the Tyranny and oppression of the British Empire.
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The other ND (North Dakota) had to abandon the Fighting Sioux name when many people in the Sioux Nation had no problem with it either.
I do, however, understand the issue with “Redskins” since the term identified a group of people by their supposed skin color and was originally meant to be derogatory.
I still don’t see the issue with the Cleveland Indians, unless “Indians” was a also a derogatory name for Native Americans. I never thought it to be.
The Cancel Culture is mostly just ******** and used as a means of control.
I'm sorry but your points are just illogical and not fact based. The Redskins had a Native American man as their mascot. It wasn't just a color, like Barney is a "Purple" dinosaur. "I'm color blind. There is nothing wrong with being the color red. So it's not racist." It's so dumb that I almost think you must be saying it ironically just to mess with me. The Redskins mascot was a Native American man with feathers in his hair. They weren't talking about a generic person who happened to be red, or people with a sun tan. I can't believe you actually wrote that.
What it comes down to is that you just don't give a darn that naming your sports team after Native Americans as a people, with a name that they believe is a derogatory racial slur, makes them feel bad. You just don't think it's an issue when non-white people are humiliated or dehumanized by some old racist custom. As long as the white people think it's OK, and the white people are used to it and feel comfortable with the situation, then the non-white people should stop making a fuss and hush up. Either you don't want to be bothered with actually educating yourself with why they find it offensive, or you know it's offensive and you just don't care. Either way, you like the name, you are OK with it, so they should just shut up. That's what you are saying.
And for the record, I'm not cancelling anyone. Even if someone did make a mistake. Everyone should have the opportunity to make mistakes and be forgiven if they are willing to grow and learn. Most people don't fit into your cable TV culture war ideological boxes. The Redskins just needed to change the name and they did.
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Go and kill the yellow man. Born in the USA. That’s not Barney. That’s Asian people. Get a grip with your silly analogies.
Did you ever play Cowboys and Indians? We took turns being on either side. Was I being racist then? Was the Football team being racist when they names the team in 1932? Not even close. Savages was a derogatory name that was used. Indians and Redskins are not.
White men can’t jump. Funny as hell. In F Troop it was paleface and Redakins. Also funny as hell. I liked both sides. I’m not a racist.
You are making a non racist name a race issue. Redskins was a sporting team name. That’s all it is and ever was. There was never any intent to insult native Americans. I see men of color on TV saying how stupid all of this is so once again you’re being a racist by blaming the white man. Cancel that.
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There was incredible irony about the outcry over the Washington Redskins name in 2016.
That year the Washington Post conducted a survey and learned that nine in 10 Native Americans say they are not offended by the Washington Redskins name.
"The survey of 504 people across every state and the District reveals that the minds of Native Americans have remained unchanged since a 2004 poll by the Annenberg Public Policy Center found the same result. Responses to The Post’s questions about the issue were broadly consistent regardless of age, income, education, political party or proximity to reservations.
"Among the Native Americans reached over a five-month period ending in April, more than 7 in 10 said they did not feel the word “Redskin” was disrespectful to Indians. An even higher number — 8 in 10 — said they would not be offended if a non-native called them that name."
You almost never hear about this.
It makes me wonder where the uproar over the Washington Redskins name actually germinated from.
That year the Washington Post conducted a survey and learned that nine in 10 Native Americans say they are not offended by the Washington Redskins name.
"The survey of 504 people across every state and the District reveals that the minds of Native Americans have remained unchanged since a 2004 poll by the Annenberg Public Policy Center found the same result. Responses to The Post’s questions about the issue were broadly consistent regardless of age, income, education, political party or proximity to reservations.
"Among the Native Americans reached over a five-month period ending in April, more than 7 in 10 said they did not feel the word “Redskin” was disrespectful to Indians. An even higher number — 8 in 10 — said they would not be offended if a non-native called them that name."
You almost never hear about this.
It makes me wonder where the uproar over the Washington Redskins name actually germinated from.
I think that's why the Seminoles get to keep their name. The Seminole Tribe of Florida came out and publicly said we don't find it offensive rather a source of pride. It's always the few who ***** the loudest which make the rules for the silent majority.
When a tribe isn't offended ,the name should stay even if non members of that tribe are offended.
If tribe feels use of their name is insulting, name should be changed.
Simple as that.
Also the way school and tribe interact with each other helps or hinders the way the tribe feels about thir name being used by the school.
Just because one group feels a sense of pride being the nickname of a team, doesn't mean a similar group will feel the same and want their name not used.
Names like Redskins might have people feel that name has been used for a long time and doesn't need to be changed.
But times are changing and those who felt they wouldn't be listened to before, are demanding a change in attitude now and finding people are listing to their complaint in a number big enough to force change.
What? Russ just posted the stats for you and the majority who it was supposed to offend they found it didn't offend. What you have by the Redskin example is the minority making the decisions for the majority. They found those outside of the Native American demographic to help further their cause. The virtue signalers grabbed hold of it to make themselves feel better.
Or you can go by this:
Contrary to polls showing that relatively few Native Americans take offense at the Washington Redskins’ name, a new UC Berkeley study has found that at least half of more than 1,000 Native Americans surveyed are offended by the football team’s 87-year-old moniker and Native mascots in general.ll, 49% of participants in the UC Berkeley study were found to strongly agree or agree that the Washington Redskins’ name is offensive, while 38% were not bothered by it. The remainder were undecided or indifferent.
However, the number of those offended rose for study participants who were heavily engaged in their native or tribal cultures (67%), young people (60%) and people with tribal affiliations such as members of federally recognized tribes (52%).
https://news.berkeley.edu/2020/02/04/native-mascots-survey/
That is not exactly an apples to apples comparison to the Washington Redskins, Cleveland Indians or the Kansas City Chiefs.
FSU is literally using the Seminole Tribes name. Florida State encourages members of the Seminole Tribe to apply for admission and spreads information about Seminole culture and history.
The Seminole Tribe of Florida requested FSU stop using the "Sammy the Seminole" caricature, and FSU did. Sammy was replaced by Chief Osceola, who was a great tribal military leader and a brilliant battlefield tactician. This was way before anyone at the NCAA even cared about the use of Indian names.
FSU collaborates with the tribe to include prominent participation by tribal members in many of the university's most meaningful events, and seek advice and direction to ensure tribal imagery is authentic.
FSU does not have a mascot. Instead, they have the honor of calling themselves “Seminoles” in admiration of the only Native American tribe never conquered by the U.S. Government.
FSU athletics uses the hashtag #Unconquered pretty frequently.
Make no mistake the Seminole Tribe of Florida has some juice in this state. They own the Seminole Hard Rock Hotel and Casino. The 190,000 square foot casino is the sixth-largest in the world, and has been expanded multiple times since its opening in 2004. It sits on the Tampa Reservation.
I could but I seldom believe anything that comes out of UC Berkeley.
I lived in the Bay Area for a couple of years.