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Greene Rice FIG

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If we are a top 5 defensively with everyone what do you think we are without Mage and McConnell?

#100?

What would the 115th kenpom or Bart team be against Michigan?
 
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You just don't understand how much 10 points is. You guys that think people are worth this much are right about the qualitative factors that make them important, you just don't understand how much 10 points truly is.

5 points per player per game is basically the difference between the best and the worst teams in all of division 1.
Bart attempts to quantify this with his PORPAGATU! stat. You can see RU’s guys at the bottom of the team page.

A shorthand way to think of it is “points over the average player” that a player is worth.

It undervalues defense, but you can plug in the guys who took the minutes of Mag (1.3 PRPG) and Caleb (1.1 PRPG) and compare.

This stat has done pretty well in tracking the eventual national player of the year, and right now Zach (7.0 PRPG), Pickett (6.7) and TJD (6.0) are 1-2-3 nationally.
 
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Bart attempts to quantify this with his PORPAGATU! stat. You can see RU’s guys at the bottom of the team page.

A shorthand way to think of it is “points over the average player” that a player is worth.

It undervalues defense, but you can plug in the guys who took the minutes of Mag (1.3 PRPG) and Caleb (1.1 PRPG) and compare.

This stat has done pretty well in tracking the eventual national player of the year, and right now Zach (7.0 PRPG), Pickett (6.7) and TJD (6.0) are 1-2-3 nationally.
So basically no difference between Hyatt and mag and under a point between Caleb and oskar
 
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If we are a top 5 defensively with everyone what do you think we are without Mage and McConnell?

#100?

What would the 115th kenpom or Bart team be against Michigan?
Doubt we are as bad as #100. Even Pike's first team at Rutgers was #72 defensively. Hell, 5 out of his 9 Stony Brook teams were better than #100 defensively. Obviously lol sample but the 95.8 we put up against Wisconsin for adj defensive efficiency would be #30 or 31.

As for what would #115 kenpom be against Michigan?

Michigan is +14.02. #115 in Kenpom is Colgate at +5.02. So 9 points per 100 possession or ~6 points per game. So at home probably 2.5 point underdogs.
 
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Bart attempts to quantify this with his PORPAGATU! stat. You can see RU’s guys at the bottom of the team page.

A shorthand way to think of it is “points over the average player” that a player is worth.

It undervalues defense, but you can plug in the guys who took the minutes of Mag (1.3 PRPG) and Caleb (1.1 PRPG) and compare.

This stat has done pretty well in tracking the eventual national player of the year, and right now Zach (7.0 PRPG), Pickett (6.7) and TJD (6.0) are 1-2-3 nationally.
What the hell is this? Who is BART? Bart Simpson? Steve Bardo? Random fat guy OP knows names Bart?? What is Porpgagatu? East Asian specialty fish? Is this whole post some sort of sneaky joke???
 

fluoxetine

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Yeah as far as I can tell the PORPAGATU! is basically offense only. Which is what I based my analysis on that missing him would be a slight downgrade on offense.

But when you have Caleb out and your OFFENSE is a slight downgrade.. that's not a great sign.
 
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Greene Rice FIG

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Doubt we are as bad as #100. Even Pike's first team at Rutgers was #72 defensively. Hell, 5 out of his 9 Stony Brook teams were better than #100 defensively. Obviously lol sample but the 95.8 we put up against Wisconsin for adj defensive efficiency would be #30 or 31.

As for what would #115 kenpom be against Michigan?

Michigan is +14.02. #115 in Kenpom is Colgate at +5.02. So 9 points per 100 possession or ~6 points per game. So at home probably 2.5 point underdogs.
That is the math
 

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At Wisconsin was our third best win of the year…
Dude, you thinking Wisconsin was our third best win this season simply shows you are a bandwagon fan who probably heard the RU recruiting buzz of late. Anyone who has watched Rutgers this year knows that beating the worst Wisconsin team in maybe 25 years isn't our 3rd best win all season.
 
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It's pretty debatable. What makes it better than an Indiana home win?
Indiana isn’t a good road team and was missing hood schifino (their second best player). The difference between a home and road game in the big ten is huge. If you want to say Indiana was a better win, I disagree but go ahead. Don’t try to tell me Maryland or mich state at home we’re better wins though.
 

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Hard to tell with injuries on both sides. Will probably be close though, either + or - 1.5.
 

Scangg

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It was absolutely our third best win after Purdue and northwestern. Not even debatable really.
We have 7 wins against teams with a higher NET

It's not a better win than Purdue Northwestern or Indiana and that's not really debatable. Those are all Q1 wins against much better teams. Teams with much higher NET rankings. Top 25 in the polls

Maryland is also a Q1 win

MSU technically a home win but much better NET

PSU and OSU both are higher in NET as well but Wisconsin being on the road gives that game an edge

It's certainly not a top 3 win though
 

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Just from a NET/quad perspective it would seemingly be our 5th best win. We have 4 Q1s which are better by definition. Wisconsin is JUST BARELY Q2 so it would presumably be the best of our Q2s.
 
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We have 7 wins against teams with a higher NET

It's not a better win than Purdue Northwestern or Indiana and that's not really debatable. Those are all Q1 wins against much better teams. Teams with much higher NET rankings. Top 25 in the polls

Maryland is also a Q1 win

MSU technically a home win but much better NET

PSU and OSU both are higher in NET as well but Wisconsin being on the road gives that game an edge

It's certainly not a top 3 win though
Maryland is 2-7 on the road. Lol gtfoh saying that was a better win than at Wisconsin. Also even brining up Ohio state because of net just shows how much you’re reaching.
 

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We have 7 wins against teams with a higher NET

It's not a better win than Purdue Northwestern or Indiana and that's not really debatable. Those are all Q1 wins against much better teams. Teams with much higher NET rankings. Top 25 in the polls

Maryland is also a Q1 win

MSU technically a home win but much better NET

PSU and OSU both are higher in NET as well but Wisconsin being on the road gives that game an edge

It's certainly not a top 3 win though
This guy bashes me constantly and yet our stats align perfectly. Your Wisconsin "Top 3 Win" is outrageous. Only someone with no knowledge of Rutgers and the conference in general would make such an asinine claim.
 
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Just from a NET/quad perspective it would seemingly be our 5th best win. We have 4 Q1s which are better by definition. Wisconsin is JUST BARELY Q2 so it would presumably be the best of our Q2s.
We both know beating Maryland at home is not more impressive than beating Wisconsin on the road. Why are you fighting that? They’re 2-7 on the road dude.
 

Scangg

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Maryland is 2-7 on the road. Lol gtfoh saying that was a better win than at Wisconsin. Also even brining up Ohio state because of net just shows how much you’re reaching.
Maryland is NET 24. Wisconsin is 76.
Q1 wins > Q2 wins

This isn't your typical Wisconsin team. They are a bubble team that probably ends up missing the tournament and finishing 10th or worse in the league

If you want to argue the importance of stopping the losing streak and winning without Mag and Caleb then yes it was insanely important win

If you're talking about our resume for the tournament, it just simply isn't. The Indiana win is soooo much better its not even close and Maryland is a Q1 win. Who cares what their road record is. The committee isn't going to dock us for that win and treat it as a Q2 bc they are worse on the road
 

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We both know beating Maryland at home is not more impressive than beating Wisconsin on the road. Why are you fighting that? They’re 2-7 on the road dude.
You might be right but it's certainly not "not debatable". I think Indiana is more debatable than Maryland.

And from a NCAA perspective I would expect the Q1s to be considered better even if they weren't more difficult in reality.
 

Greene Rice FIG

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We have 7 wins against teams with a higher NET

It's not a better win than Purdue Northwestern or Indiana and that's not really debatable. Those are all Q1 wins against much better teams. Teams with much higher NET rankings. Top 25 in the polls

Maryland is also a Q1 win

MSU technically a home win but much better NET

PSU and OSU both are higher in NET as well but Wisconsin being on the road gives that game an edge

It's certainly not a top 3 win though
It might have been our most unexpected! Even more so than Purdue. At least from my perspective.
 
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Maryland is NET 24. Wisconsin is 76.
Q1 wins > Q2 wins

This isn't your typical Wisconsin team. They are a fringe bubble team that probably ends up missing the tournament and finishing 10th or worse in the league

If you want to argue the importance of stopping the losing streak and winning without Mag and Caleb then yes it was insanely important win

If you're talking about our resume for the tournament, it just simply isn't. The Indiana win is soooo much better it’s not even close and Maryland is a Q1 win. Who cares what their road record is. The committee isn't going to dock us for that win and treat it as a Q2 bc they are worse on the road
Winning at Wisconsin is harder than beating Maryland at home. That just a fact dude. Do you watch big ten basketball? You’re honestly trying to downplay the difference between home and away games? Also if Wisconsin moves up 1 spot it’s a quad 1 win so you won’t even be able to use that flimsy argument anymore.
 

fluoxetine

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You mean a third of the season? Lol what are we doing here?
Yes, that's what I mean.

Home court advantage is a relatively static thing; when a team does really well/poorly on the road that's mostly just noise. You can't determine from 9 games that well actually this specific Maryland team just can't play on the road for some reason, come on.