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Catman100

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Folks we are just not that good a team, and we are not well coached.
Probably gonna go 9-8 or 8-9 or worse in SEC.
We have seen all the pieces and they just don't fit.
Not sure just how much improvement is expected, but not sure at their best they are competitive against the best.
 

PoapretensisL

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Folks we are just not that good a team, and we are not well coached.
Probably gonna go 9-8 or 8-9 or worse in SEC.
We have seen all the pieces and they just don't fit.
Not sure just how much improvement is expected, but not sure at their best they are competitive against the best.

Going 8-9 is generous consisering we have a bunch of role players without roles.

Aberdeen was a freaking backup at UF and were starting him here.

Same with Diabetes who had no business STARTING yesterday.

Wtf are we doing?

Fun fact for Legal: The Flamingos at Hialeah. When that track was closed back in the late 90s, they sent the Flamingos to Hollywood Park to habitate in the infield pond there. IIrc, when they decided to turn that beautiful facility into a parking lot, the Flamingos were returned to Hialeah.
 
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PoapretensisL

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I don’t think Aberdeen has played particularly well but Aberdeen being a back up at Florida last year is not a valid argument. Many backups go into star roles with expanded usage.

I’m with you there. Backups can grow into bigger roles, but that leap aint always guaranteed. We paid a premium for projected growth on a bigger stage without evidence he’s comfortable in that role. As Clayton’s backup, he averaged about 20 minutes and 7 points per game. I’d understand it if he were backing up our 3rd-team All-ACC PG transfer, but when your “starting” PG doesn’t even start, the roster logic gets hard to follow.

Edit: And not saying hes not trying out there. Im more upset about the roster construction not the effort.
 
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Vismund

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Aberdeens issue is that he isn't a PG and he isn't a good enough shooter/slasher to play the 2, so what do we do with him? He isn't an exceptional defender and he is averaging about 3 rebounds a game.

On a normal UK team, hes an energy 6th man that may hit a few 3s and provide a spark after the first 4 minute timeout, instead he's a primary ball handler on a team full of guys who can't pass or dribble.

I do agree he has the right temperment and energy you want though.
 

jayroon41

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Not looking good with Leavitt. Chambliss just resigned with Ole Miss and Leavitt’s next visit is LSU.

Backup options are Lagway (UF), Raiola (Nebraska), Knight/Daniels (AU).

Darkhorse-Landen Clark-Elon. (visiting today)
 
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jayroon41

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What does Aberdeen do well? He's a black hole offensive flow killer and hasn't impressed me on D. He's also redundant with Oweh. They clog everything up when they're out there together.
Decent defender and spot up shooter. Terrible fit for Pope's system though as is Mo. Maybe the key to opening things up is starting Kam at the 4 and switching Lowe for Chandler. Playing two bigs together hasn't done much of anything offensively for us and none of them fit well together.

Pope tried to solve issues last year's roster had with Mo but should just stick to what he knows best (shooters everywhere and a big that can pass). Khalifa could have helped this team tremendously with the latter.
 
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anthonys735

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If Mo is out there with the right team he's beneficial. He grabs boards at a good clip but is just foul prone and can't shoot. We sorely missed that guy last year. It really boils down to not having enough shooters.
 
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Hank Camacho

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Aberdeen and Chandler are 13 feet of vanilla chocolate swirl soft-serve mediocrity. Watching Aberdeen get funneled directly to the closest sideline as soon as he crosses midcourt while attempting to play point is especially aggravating to me, so I tend think he sucks more. But if you think Chandler is worse, there is plenty of room to make that case!

Mo Dioubate has 7 more assists than you and I do this year. Jelavic has 4. What exactly were they thinking with Jelavic? He shot 32% from 3P at MegaBet (or whatever) last year. This year he's shooting 22%. He's huge, slow, criminal on defense, and can't shoot or pass. And he's still probably better than Garrison 2.0.

I'd kill for guys like Lamont, Koby, Jax, Drew, and Amari who moved the ball and were competent basketball players. Instead, we're suddenly coached by the weirdest tall guy since Bill De Blasio murdered a groundhog and have a team that does not even play fundamentally sound basketball or give basic effort for long stretches of time.

It feels like there was a rift in the space time-continuum on November 11, 2025 when the line started moving to Louisville and we have been in a bizarro world since. The only constant is the grim scowl of Mitch Barnhart from the tunnel, looking like an overbearing father at a Little League game.
 

jayroon41

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If Mo is out there with the right team he's beneficial. He grabs boards at a good clip but is just foul prone and can't shoot. We sorely missed that guy last year. It really boils down to not having enough shooters.
The problem is none of our 5s can shoot so there's no one he can play with that can cover up his weakness. He could've played well with Carr, Almonor, Kam or Khalifa but none of our 5s, it just clogs up the lane.

And you can't really play him at the 5 because at best he's our 3rd best 5 and JQ/Moreno should be getting all of those minutes.

I'd flip his role and minutes with Kam 22 to 18. Wouldn't play JQ or BG at the 4 and would use BG as the 3rd 5, Jelavic as the 3rd 4.
 

jayroon41

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Aberdeen and Chandler are 13 feet of vanilla chocolate swirl soft-serve mediocrity. Watching Aberdeen get funneled directly to the closest sideline as soon as he crosses midcourt while attempting to play point is especially aggravating to me, so I tend think he sucks more. But if you think Chandler is worse, there is plenty of room to make that case!

Mo Dioubate has 7 more assists than you and I do this year. Jelavic has 4. What exactly were they thinking with Jelavic? He shot 32% from 3P at MegaBet (or whatever) last year. This year he's shooting 22%. He's huge, slow, criminal on defense, and can't shoot or pass. And he's still probably better than Garrison 2.0.

I'd kill for guys like Lamont, Koby, Jax, Drew, and Amari who moved the ball and were competent basketball players. Instead, we're suddenly coached by the weirdest tall guy since Bill De Blasio murdered a groundhog and have a team that does not even play fundamentally sound basketball or give basic effort for long stretches of time.

It feels like there was a rift in the space time-continuum on November 11, 2025 when the line started moving to Louisville and we have been in a bizarro world since. The only constant is the grim scowl of Mitch Barnhart from the tunnel, looking like an overbearing father at a Little League game.
How bad our bigs are at passing is alarming especially given the system he's best at running. You could run some zoom through JQ but I wouldn't do a ton of it as his handle is shaky and he's turnover prone. This team could've used Khalifa instead of BG and/or Jelavic.

On JQ, is he so bad offensively that he might've played himself into another year here? He's talked about wanting to be the #1 pick repeatedly in interviews and there is no chance of that this year.
 
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jayroon41

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So, basically Morgan Newton. Our backup option is Morgan Newton?

Lagway was *by far* the worst QB Kentucky faced last year - dude was an absolute train wreck. Threw for 80 yards and had 3 interceptions…against Brad freaking White.
Stein has done very well with projects like him but I think Raiola would be a much better fit. He had good numbers this year despite having a horrible o-line.

Deuce Knight would be interesting given his upside but would probably get recruited over next year (and he's got 4 years of eligibility/redshirted this year).

Colandrea (UNLV) might be another good option.
 

CAT Scratch FVR

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A lot of people on here were confident the incoming players shooting percentage was going to improve.
We had the money to pay for proven production not guys with a chance. This is not Moneyball.
No proven shooters, limited athleticism.
We were told coaching and use of analytics would be better, well....
 

BradyJames

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UK fans are truly the best in America. We are siting around breaking down the damn obvious.

Could this team find its way? Of course, we have talent. But the ticker is the problem for most of them. Our coach is immature and that doesn’t help. It’s almost as embarrassing as Cal screaming the entire game like he is coaching 12 year olds.

If most of us, find a few million dollars, we might not be quite as hungry and willing to work as hard either. I think we hired employees. Paid them 2-4x and got fat and lazy Cats.

The two that care the most just aren’t any good(Chandler and Noah).

Our coach needs to adapt quickly or he will be run out of Lexignton.
 

Geese Feeder

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Granted I don't keep up with this board as much so I haven't been made aware the heat he's caught, but to me, the biggest problem continues to be Otega Oweh -- by a country mile.

He's the "leader" of this team, and by God, they certainly follow his example. Dude consistently lolly-gags around the court. Doesn't fight through screens nor does he talk on on switches (leaving his teammates on islands). He is horrendous defending straight-line drives, despite his athletic gifts. His continuous lack of effort getting back in transition is embarrasing. Then you see his horrible body language (on the court AND off the court in press conferences) -- you name it. Go back and watch the film. It's unbelievable.

Yeah, the pieces don't fit. Pope did a horrendous job with roster construction, no question about it. He tried to upgrade athletically and ended up with team that is good at absolutely nothing. Whatever. It is what is at this point.

However, OO was pre-season SEC POY, given All-American consideration and we were told this was 'his' team. Welp. Absolutely incredible results despite his big NIL bag that this is how he chooses to represent himself, his team and university.

But hey -- he gets his numbers, usually after we're already toast (a lot like last year, actually). Good for a nice highlight reel or two that ends up on SC. So what if he dogs it out there giving up countless buckets?

I'd be fine thrilled with Pope sending a *real* statement, at least going into next year, that this ish won't be tolerated at the University of Kentucky -- by benching his butt. Our little league coaches always told us that attitude and effort were the only two things you could control on the court/field. Both, of which, he's failed miserably and embarassed us as fans of the state's flagship athletic program.

Hansbrough said as much after the Gonzaga clownshow during the Field of 68 after dark. If nothing else, "have respect for the game" with your effort/energy.
You're doing *yourself* a disservice to basketball with that kind of example. It incenses me to no end.

/rant
 
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krlambert6

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Last thing on that game. That was *not* one of Oats best teams. Not close imo. Mark Sears would've had 50 against us. I don't even want to think what last year's Florida team would do to this group.

The bar has been lowered in the conference and we sunk below that. Tough look.
 

Wayne Dougan

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Most states have an age limit for high school sports where you can't have turned 19 by Sept 1 to be eligible to play that year. Can they not do something similar for college sports? Like put in an age limit of 23 by Sept 1? Some of these stupid eligibility extension requests are bonkers. And I always thought it was BS that Wienke won the Heisman at age 27.
 

august-west

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I'm sure it's out there somewhere, but the missed FT bouncing right in front of him and not even extending his arms to grab it caused me to stop watching on Saturday. Absolutely pathetic, and to Geese's point the norm for him now. He is who he is unfortunately. Wish that wasn't the case.

I came here to post that exact play. Dude just stood there while the FT shooter grabbed it and scored. He is la-zy and the rest feed of it. I think it was the next time down the floor where we didn’t dive for a loose ball and Bilas started with the “soft” talk. As much as i usually cant stand him
he was exactly right.
 

k_s_t_a

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Oweh is best suited as your third or fourth banana, not your main guy. Last year, he got his stats "quietly" and that's exactly what you want. He's a straight line driver with next to zero wiggle and no jump shot. He's a minus passer. He should be an excellent defender, but he gambles way too much despite rarely generating turnovers and just goes to sleep way too often.

The preseason SEC player of the year pick was always crazy. So was the NBA draft talk. And it's pretty clearly affected him mentally.
 

PoapretensisL

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Oweh is best suited as your third or fourth banana, not your main guy. Last year, he got his stats "quietly" and that's exactly what you want. He's a straight line driver with next to zero wiggle and no jump shot. He's a minus passer. He should be an excellent defender, but he gambles way too much despite rarely generating turnovers and just goes to sleep way too often.

The preseason SEC player of the year pick was always crazy. So was the NBA draft talk. And it's pretty clearly affected him mentally.

Most importantly he had scorers around him that created open lanes for him to slash and attack the rim.
 
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cricket3

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I feel like we landed Cutter again with less experience, less eligibility, and without the charm of being a hometown kid.

Hopefully Minchey turns out exceptionally better than Cutter.
 
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Vismund

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I feel like we landed Cutter again with less experience, less eligibility, and without the charm of being a hometown kid.

Hopefully Minchey turns out exceptionally better than Cutter.

Allegedly at half the price. It's a gamble, for sure, but it's where we are now unfortunately.

If ASU really did pay 3M for Cutter, we weren't going that high for him anyway. That's bordering on Leavitt money and there's a stark difference between those two players.

Hopefully Kenny is more like Will than Brock.
 

creeksman

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The biggest difference between Kenny and Brock will be the system.

I'm loving Stein's approach to recruiting. Pay the studs the price they're worth, and surround with solid affordable players. Don't overpay for bodies. Don't get strung along or in a bidding war. Hopefully Mark Pope's ears perk up.
 

CAT Scratch FVR

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Does Minchey have more mobility than Boley? That will be key to running the offense, supplemented by a capable offensive line.
A lot of guys run well when they have open space but I did not find Boley especially nimble in the pocket. Can't argue with his production.