Had his boy played 2 years at QB with us, would we have retired his number? Silly question, but just curious what you guys think? I’ll hang up and listen.
Had Deion came to State ….
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If Dion was not the coach at Colorado, his number would not have been retired.
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It is questionable that Hunters would too, for several years.
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It is questionable that Hunters would too, for several years.
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Not trying to clown on Shedeur, the kid has talent, but you played in the SWAC (Respectively), then you played in the Big 12, 8, 7, whatever they think they are now … had he played at Vandy … and put up those numbers, id be completely behind him, minus Dads influence. Wish him the best though.
13-12. Retired his number. Kordell Stewart's number is still available.
The amount of media coverage that Mississippi State would’ve gotten if he came would’ve been monumental. However, the drama and stupidity that came with it for Colorado makes me think again. All that is probably worth having a Heisman Trophy winner, but I can’t stand the son
QB throwing linemen under the bus post game. Average QB goes way down the list after that. Stupid move for him
We've got people claiming Mike Leach should be honored here, so hey, we might have.
Your irrational hatred of Leach is pretty sick
Sanders would have been a disaster here, he doesn't fit in any way, shape or form.
Hunter unquestionably deserved to have his number retired. Won the Heisman, Biletnikoff and Bednarik. From an individual standpoint, that's as good as it gets.
Mike Leach deserves nothing at Mississippi State University beyond a tip of the hat for a couple seasons and a middle finger for his pathetic recruiting.
Morons like @ETK99 will convince themselves of anything to support the idea that Selmon and Lebby are actually competent. Blame the previous group, it's a strategy used by everyone, in all walks of life. No evidence needed.
So, if you want the truth, you have to dig deeper and, in the case of Leach, you see that he actually always left his situations in pretty good shape. This whole bad recruiting thing is an outright myth. And is was for us too, as Arnett totally changed the offense, then Lebby completely overhauled the roster. I wish someone would explain to me how it was Leach's players who caused this, when, uh, it actually wasn't Leach's players. And remember, we were 5-7 even with Arnett's dumbassedry with Leach's guys......we were 2-10 and hopeless once Lebby got his hands on it and ran off Leach's guys.
He wouldn't have been anything close to the disaster Arnette and Lebby were/are.
It may just be me, but I’m just having a hard time really caring about this….even as someone who is not a Deion fan. There’s so much more that is broken in the P4 football world than nepotism in the number-retiring process.
Besides, it’s not some permanent thing, anyway. Keffer McGee’s number was “retired” at MSU for multiple decades….until one day it just wasn’t. In 20+ years, Deion will be long gone from Colorado and doing something else or dead or whatever. I guarantee you that if some 5* QB wants to go to Colorado, and the only thing he needs to seal the deal is to be able to wear Shedeur’s number, they’ll unretire the damn thing in about 30 seconds.
Besides, it’s not some permanent thing, anyway. Keffer McGee’s number was “retired” at MSU for multiple decades….until one day it just wasn’t. In 20+ years, Deion will be long gone from Colorado and doing something else or dead or whatever. I guarantee you that if some 5* QB wants to go to Colorado, and the only thing he needs to seal the deal is to be able to wear Shedeur’s number, they’ll unretire the damn thing in about 30 seconds.
depends what you call pretty good shape.
Texas Tech didnt have a winning conference record after leach left for 10 years....and basically immediately went to the bottom of the league.. with a pretty credible football coach trying to rebuild the program in a to use your word "non-niche" way
Washington St took him 3 seasons to build into a winner.. the 4 seasons after he left they went 19-22
Here its 7-17 in two seasons after leach...
Feel free to blame the next group of coaches, and all the other mis-management you want. Facts are, when leach leaves.. there is a period of adjustment that has to occur... and that period has always been a losing time or a period where the program takes a solid step back and takes it time for it to recover......
I could also say you're cherry-picking conference record at a non-blue blood school.
its not really cherry picking when a school has always been in the upper middle tier of a conference before leach... then leach comes in... leaves.. and school drops to the bottom of the league in the immediate years after.
Again it really cant be argued... washington state, mississippi state, and texas tech... all took steps back after leach left. Leach didnt leave them in good shape at all...
The only way those programs would be considered left in godo shape, was if you had a leach guy ready to step in and run them.... and there is a reason why you have to look really hard to see if those guys even exists anymore
I completely disagree, it can be argued. I have no desire to do it, we aren't changing each other's opinion.
well my arguement comes with facts
Texas tech-- middle tier program prior to leach-- leach improves program to upper/middle tier-- nothing more than that. Leach leaves-- the next 10 years the program is basically a bottom dweller in the conference
Washington State-- leach takes over a bad program-- takes 3 years to build it, has a good 4 year run-- but not mike price glory days years-- leach leaves, program goes 19-22 in his wake
Mississippi State- Leach takes over that hasnt had a losing season in 10+ seasons. Immediately has a losing season. Following by an OK season, and then a very good season. Leach passes--- and a program that has been to a bowl game in 13 straight seasons.. is now the laughing stock of the SEC
Feel free to argue if you want.. and point fingers where you may... but those are facts in terms of what programs were prior to leach.. during leach.. and after leach...
and NONE of them were successful after leach.... ZERO... so the defintion of left in pretty good shape means something totally different to me.
I have a question for you that I am honestly very curious to hear your opinion. Before I say that, I am not trying to enter the fight between you and Goat. I am not qualified to be in that fight. Now to my point. Could it be fair to also say that Leach was at places that traditionally had no real history of being winning programs, and after he left they reverted to what they had always been? I also do agree with you that it takes time to transition from an air raid roster to basically anything else, and anyone with real football knowledge or experience understands this.
Those places have won games since he left. It's not like they fell off the map. Mike Leach was only 8 games over .500 in 8 seasons at WSU by the way. It's not like he was Saban. They were 8-4 last season. Leach was great 25 years ago, we got retirement ready Leach who was never going to hang around for NIL. He did nothing special here and left no talent. There's definitely an adjustment period when he leaves places too.
the problem with that is.. they didnt revert to what they have always been. Texas Tech was always a middle of the pack program.. they went straight to the bottom of the confernce after Leach.
We here in Starkville, hadnt had a losing season in 10+ seasons, been 13 straight bowls... we are the laughing stock of the SEC...
so neither of those programs reverted back to what theyve been.
You could make the case there at washington state that leach gave it a shot in the arm, then its back to being same ol washington state... but not the other two stops. Go look at the run TT had from 86-98 pre-leach then look at the 2010-2020 decade after leach.
Again i'm not hating on leach... nor am i saying he was a bad hire... but whats abudantly clear is he hasnt left any program he's left in good shape and ready to take off and be better... or for that matter even ready to compete in the coming years after his departure
Thank you for your answer, but my question was not directed at you. Who ever said Leach was Saban? I sure did not. If you have an axe to grind against Leach, I would ask politely please leave me out of it.
I don't have an ax to grind but i figured Satan loved cults and Leach has his
I very much appreciate your answer. Thank you. I was very curious. My pushback would be I do not think it is fair to blame Leach for Arnett gutting the offensive staff and all of that. Recruiting. I think you are mostly right. I also do not see much difference between the middle of the pack and the lower end in terms of Texas Tech, but that is just me. Again, thank you for the civil conversation. And let me be clear, I liked Leach as a person. Him as a coach we can debate.