If we were 13-12 in the SEC, considering where we've been and where we are now, hell yeah we'd a retarred it.
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fun as in a social media sideshow yes, fun as in winning 6 games and going to a bowl in year 2, fun as in getting selfies with rappers and ex NFL posse, yes. not fun when Deion pockets 90% of the lift he creates.
You can go over to the WSU board and ask them if Mike Leach was a great coach that elevated their program and see what they say, if you repeat your stupid drivel you will be ridiculed.
You can go over to the texas tech board right now and ask them if Mike Leach was a great coach who elevated their program and see what they say, if you repeat you your stupid drivel you will be ridiculed.
there is a segment of this fan base that really just isn’t very smart and lacks decency.
that isnt the argument dumbass.
Ive said i had no issues with Leach as the head coach here.... The point of discussion was where he left the program, it was said he leaves his programs in very good shape.. which just isnt the case....but he comes with buffers on both sides to get his players in.. and to get players that fit every other system in america when he leaves....
nice try jumping into an discussion you again know nothing about...
Gosh you should really try reading compreshion... still waiting on your baylor QB to win heisman or Indiana to land that big name basketball coach....
I picked 4 years as that is a more accurate picture on what Leach inherited and left behind because eligibility is for 4 years:
Texas Tech 4 year record prior to Leach - 29-22
Leach Record at Texas Tech - 84-43
Texas Tech 4 year record after Leach - 26-20
WSU 4 year record prior to Leach - 9-40
Leach Record at WSU - 55-47
WSU 4 year record after Leach - 20-22
I agree the transition post Leach is harder than a usual coach but it’s not true he left them in worse shape than he got then
Texas Tech 4 year record prior to Leach - 29-22
Leach Record at Texas Tech - 84-43
Texas Tech 4 year record after Leach - 26-20
WSU 4 year record prior to Leach - 9-40
Leach Record at WSU - 55-47
WSU 4 year record after Leach - 20-22
I agree the transition post Leach is harder than a usual coach but it’s not true he left them in worse shape than he got then
you left one out...
Mississippi State
29-23 4 years pre leach
19-17 with leach
7-17 post leach
Texas tech also had their first losing season in 20 years in year 2 post-leach. Not to mention our 13 game bowl streak ended post-leach.
Also washington state a little mis-leading.. his first four seasons at WSU he actually went 21-29 as a coach.. so it had a long road to hoe to get back to even average. That entire program has been bad except when Leach and Price were there.
again i'm not knocking leach the coach... but at both texas tech and here.. the programs took a step back after he left.... same happened at Wazzou, but thats more normal compared to their history... either way, there is a buffer for leach to get his guys in.. and a buffer when he leaves... theres no way around it.
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There was a little couple somethings that happened in the summer of 2021 that renders the post-Leach record at MSU non-comparable to the other years. They were both 'kind of' big deals, if I say so myself, especially since they happened simultaneously. Not to mention the chaos of Arnett thus requiring a second coaching change.
point fingers where you may... and some of it can be valid.
However it follows the track history of a post-leach program...... none of the three programs he ran thrived after he left... all 3 took steps backwards... and 2 of the 3 had one (or two in our case) of their worst seasons in a LONG LONG time post-leach...
Texas Tech first losing season in 20 years year 2 post-leach
And our 7-17, one conference win in 2 seasons-- 2 seasons in a row post-leach
Not all the blame goes to leach... but it certainly shows that the program wasnt left in a good spot someone else could just take the reins and keep the train on the tracks.
Several universities have retired jersey numbers of Heisman Trophy winners. USC has retired the jerseys of all eight of its Heisman winners, including Reggie Bush's No. 5 and Caleb Williams' No. 13. Other universities that have retired numbers of Heisman winners include Ohio State (Eddie George's No. 27 and Archie Griffin's number), Penn State (John Cappelletti's number), Miami (Gino Torretta's No. 13), and Florida State (Jameis Winston's No. 5).
Jayden Daniels
Bryce Young
DeVonta Smith
Joe Burrow
Kyler Murray
Baker Mayfield
Lamar Jackson
Derrick Henry
Marcus Mariota
Johnny Manziel
Cam Newton
Mark Ingram
Tim Tebow
And the list goes on and on and on... Many of who won national championships and actually accomplished something real and everlasting. Then there is every other program trying too hard to make something out of one talented player that really did not do much for the team or the program.
Bryce Young
DeVonta Smith
Joe Burrow
Kyler Murray
Baker Mayfield
Lamar Jackson
Derrick Henry
Marcus Mariota
Johnny Manziel
Cam Newton
Mark Ingram
Tim Tebow
And the list goes on and on and on... Many of who won national championships and actually accomplished something real and everlasting. Then there is every other program trying too hard to make something out of one talented player that really did not do much for the team or the program.
I'm not certain we (MSU) will ever be anything close to what Colorado is now. Have no opinion on retiring numbers and such, but if MSU played the Buffs this year, they'd beat us at least 2-3 TDs. They just got a transfer QB who's better than anything we have on campus and they got a 5-Star freshman QB that will be their future. Plus, a bunch of other high ranked linemen, LBs, and cornerbacks. Our recruiting can't even sniff what theirs is. I just hope they don't find a way onto our schedule the next few years. It would be embarrassing for a former SWAC coach to skulldrag us.
You obviously didn't watch CO. They weren't good. We ain't that far behind them.
If Colorado had played an SEC schedule the last 2 years they wouldn’t be anywhere close to 13-12.
Leach’s last team won 9 games. I’m not sure Jeffvester Lebbhead will win 9 games in 3 seasons.
Stop with the facts. Their fantasy narratives can’t stand them. It will be 2030 and they will blame Leach because they can’t make a bowl game. We have to pretend there is no transfer portal and no teams turn their roster over in one year. Lol
Because of Mike Leach recruiting (total lack of). Leach wouldve been awful in the NIL era too. He created conflict in his own locker room by running his mouth. I get he's kind of a MAGA type hero to some, but he set us back years with poor recruiting. It's not about what Lebby can do in three years, because Leach left him nothing. It's about how can State get the program back together after all the problems. He'd be sitting in the Keys retired right now. His death was unfortunate and we might have won 6 games during the Arnett error, but it was over from there.
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It 100% is what Lebby can do in three years. If he can’t get us to a bowl by 2026 in the portal era, he needs to go. But hey, let’s blame a guy that’s been dead for 2.5 years.