Had Thanksgiving with a buddy that works for Jimmy Sexton

[gtowndawg]

for the few that don't know, Jimmy Sexton represents a lot of college coaches (even Stans). Saban, Tubs, Lane Kiffen, Muschamp, Fulmer, etc.

I asked if he's heard anything whatsoever about the State job possibly opening up and he said no. Nothing whatsoever.

Unless Croom blows up and quits, we're stuck with him another year. I know we pretty much expected that, but I still had a slight glimmer of hope.

edited to add a couple of tidbits:

my Dad was saying we're poor ole MSu, who would want to coach State (typical old State fan BS). My buddy said with the right coach, any SEC school can win. Period.

He also said the last time he and Jimmy visited Stansbury was this summer and coach had on coaching shorts, a shirt tucked in, a whistle around his neck and sucks pulled up to his knees. Nice. He also said he can't believe the office Stans has. He said it's a piece of crap compared to alot that he's seen. Makes me sick that we pay Croom to sit around in luxury, while Stans has to beg for things.

 

[jackstefano]

my Dad was saying we're poor ole MSu, who would want to coach State (typical old State fan BS). My buddy said with the right coach, any SEC school can win.
Period.

who doesn't think that?

 

[ArrowDawg]

True, that's pretty much every MSU fan, at least of the generations that are 50 and older. My own dad(God rest his soul) was pretty much the same way. He wasn't sheepish or anything, but he believed we were doomed to failure because he knew that MSU wasn't inclined to step up to the plate and do the necessary things to build a winning football program. I'm just glad he got to experience those successful late '90s years before he passed away.

 

[basedog]

we have a losing tradition and history tells the story. I graduated in 1973 and I've seem some sorry coaching and some sorry football teams, more than I want to remember. It's in my brain and I hope you young "whipper snappers" can bring a winning decade before I die! I just don't see how we will win consistently in the SEC.
Now basketball and baseball are different. It doesn't take as many kids to have a successful season plus we have tradition in both sports.
I've been buying season tickets for a long time, but after Crxxm and this past season, screw it, I ain't gonna waste my money any longer. I've been a die hard fan but not any longer except for basketball and baseball.

 

[ArrowDawg]

........we CAN win fairly consistently. I don't care what history shows.

What I'm talking about is six or more wins almost every year. The reason why we don't do that already is a mystery to me, except for poor leadership and coaching at various times. I'm not greedy, and I don't expect championships in football, but I expect us to be a lot better than we've been this entire decade. I think you agree with that basedog.

 

[OEMDawg]

We play a 12 game schedule. You really think that winning 4 OOC games, including a perennial I-AA whipping boy, and going 2-6 in the SEC is that tall of a task for MSU to accomplish each year? That is the "winning" we are talking about. There are almost 30 bowl games, and if MSU is not going bowling with a 6-6 record at least 6-7 times out of every 10 years then we may as well fold the program.

Our only hope is that fans of your mindset die off and the "whippersnappers" take control. God forbid we hold our football team to such a high standard!!!!

 

[thunderclap]

and I'm already pissed about 2009. The thought of watching another Croom-coached team and then listening to Croom explain his Croom-coached team makes me want to puke.

 

[PosterFormerlyKnownAsRFAA]

winning programs. No, I'm not saying either will have 11 win seasons every year. However, in a ten year span I see no reason why at least 7 of those years can't be bowl years. The other three being mixed between very good years and/or bad years.

Having said that, I decided to go back and look at historical records:

MSU success/failures from 1991 through the 2000 season is pretty damn close to what I'm thinking about above:

1991 7-5 and a bowl
1992 7-5 and a bowl
1993 3-6-2
1994 8-4 and a bowl
1995 3-8
1996 5-6
1997 7-4 left out of a bowl
1998 8-5 and a bowl
1999 10-2 and a bowl
2000 8-4 and a bowl

On the flip side, Ole Miss:

1993 5-6
1994 4-7
1995 6-5
1996 5-6
1997 8-4 and a bowl
1998 7-5 and a bowl
1999 8-4 and a bowl
2000 7-5 and a bowl
2001 7-4
2002 7-6 and a bowl
2003 10-3 and a bowl

Both have recently had 10 spans which shouldn't be too much to ask for. Hell, I could even be aiming low. But the **** that both have been giving us lately is pathetic. Neither fan base is asking for a West championship every year...or even every couple of years.

***After looking at the records, I realize I counted bowl results in the final standings. I wasn't intending on that, but it still hits close enough to my point.

 

[SLUdog]

for any SEC team. See UK this year...they have 6 wins right now with only 2 SEC wins. And if we are prepared, when we have schedules like we did this year we win 8-9 games...heck La Tech's coach would have won 6 games at MSU this year.

 

[Todd4State]

Hell, we won two SEC games with this *** clown coaching staff this year, and that's going into the Egg Bowl.

That brings another good point- why the hell do we schedule people like West Virginia and Georgia Tech when we really need to be building our program with plastic wins? As you said, we win our four non-conference games, and then the two SEC, and we go to at least Birmingham. You do that several years in a row and you build support, grow some sheep that will read into the wins more than they should and buy season tickets, you get bowl money, and you get more exposure for recruiting and even more important for our team, more practice.

We schedule like we are competing for a BCS bid. We don't need to beef up our BCS rating. The Liberty Bowl doesn't care about that. And then we do something retarded like schedule La Tech on the road. Seriously.

Play a I-AA school.
Play a Sun Belt school not named Troy AT HOME.
Play a C-USA school not named Tulsa in a decent town to party in like Tulane.
Play a service academy AT HOME, preferably Army.

BOOM four wins.

Then using this year as an example, you beat Vandy and Arkansas and we would be headed to Shreveport this year if we lost the Egg Bowl.

 

[saddawg]

I wrote about this a few days ago.

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[Mr Meoff]

t-and-a-ku

 

[josebrown]

get 6 wins or more every year now that we play 12. I am sick and tired of hearing all the **** about small school, small budget, 3 major colleges in small state, Bama, LSU, Tenn get their choice from MS, on and on. You hear them all the time. It's all ********. It's looking the other way, blameshifting, wanting to hold no one accountable, what have you, it is all just old and played out.

When I decided to join The Bulldog Club and buy season tickets I thought well if more like me continue to get involved there will be more money to work with and we will build something nice. A competitive, winning program that we could all enjoy. I had a blast as did everyone else in the nineties, then came a little adversity from the NCAA and we cower to those above us. I was so pissed at our leadership not to fight the whole thing and build on what we achieved. Instead, like most conservatives in Washington, we had no backbone, we caved. Admitted wrongdoings and tried to kiss *** by hiring a coach for political reasons, not football reasons. LT pussed out through the whole process and we put ourselves on probation by hiring a guy whose only college football experience was 3 decades ago.

Now like always we have a great deal of seasoned dawgs excepting our sucktitude, and explaining that we have always sucked so we have to continue to suck. Thats just the way it is, you will get used to it. But it wasn't that way in the nineties and it doesn't have to be that way now. Sure the big guys want to keep us down and in our place, the SEC cellar. Sure they like having whipping boys, and that is us. Everything is ok with them as long as they beat us. Hell they love our coach, and really like his gameplans. Just stick with it they say. ********.

After all my **** I have two more things to say. One, my father is one of the seasoned dawgs who used to think it was our responsibility to suck, because of all the worn out excuses. This season, after the LaTech shitstorm, he decided that we have an incompetent coach. He figured out that we dug our hole by grabbing our ankles when the SEC and NCAA noticed we were winning and tried to stop us. My father after the first game this season until today has changed his mind. He contends that we can be winners and we can be winners soon. We need to replace our self-inflicted probation with a real football coaching staff. Take the offensive in our future and end the perpetual ankle-grab we do when others notice our success. Point number two, with a twelve game schedule and in somewhat full control in scheduling 4 of those games. We should only need 2 SEC victories a year as you mentioned to achieve 6 wins. That should be our minimum each year and finishing .500 in league play should be our goal each year. Any losing record should be completely unacceptable.

We have let this **** go on too long and it is time for change. I will not return for a football game until Sly is shitcanned. Next year will begin my third year of boycotting the Slytanic.

 

[Todd4State]

in your blog entry from the guys e-mail was the part about firing a coach every other year. That's part of the problem- we're WAY too patient with these coaches. I think MSU fans have this paranoia that we're going to fire someone like Croom and that they're going to get hired by someone else and lead them to the BCS every year. It's strange.

For example-

Ole Miss fired O after three seasons- which was reasonable, and they hire Nutt who gets them to a bowl the next year.

Bama fires Shula after three years- hire Saban.

UT fires Fulmer after ONE losing season- and he won a NC there and played there.

I don't see any reason why we can't hire a coach that's comparable to Houston Nutt in terms of success and competence. And to the money's not there people, I would GLADLY pay 10 bucks more on each ticket to watch a decent coach and a good team to help pay off the Walrus's ***. Because let's face it- they're not going to count on 200,000 people joining the BC to pay Croom's buyout off. They'll just raise ticket prices to help pay those clowns off.

 

[thatsbaseball]

it`s hiring people to run the the school and the athletic program. Croom`s hiring was at the time a relatively inexpensive publicity stunt but as with all bad ideas that are not dealt with when they`re discovered to be bad ideas it`s grown into a huge and expensive cluster 17. With the exception of Dr. Z we`ve just had piss poor school management during my adult life.

 

[williecunningham]

His boss put a different spin on it in an Alabama paper last month. Said he had clients who are avoiding the SEC. Can make the same money somewhere else and its easier to win. I know a guy who works in Sexton's college football division. He thinks Mississippi State is one of the hardest places in the country to win. And before you say "Jackie did it". The coaching in the league when he was there wasn't nearly what it is today.