Happy Birthday to the greatest general in the country's history
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I'd rather have a general that wins. Then again, I'm not a racist piece of ****. Sad!General Robert E. Lee
Happy Lee, Jackson day
I think it's disgusting and pitiful because the man led an armed insurrection against my nation! The ONLY General Lee I have any respect for straightened curves and flattened hills!
[roll]Loser loves a loser. Btw, he looks somewhat "special" in that pic.General Robert E. Lee
Happy Lee, Jackson day
Well, you one upped the original poster on idiocy....let's see who else joins the competition.Happy Birthday, General Lee!
That dude is a fan of Michigan AND Marshall. His idiocy was well established before this thread.
And as a future pro tip: All Herd fans are racist.
Sure......I don't know how many "great generals" get outfoxed and beaten by a drunk. Lee was a traitor.General Robert E. Lee
Happy Lee, Jackson day
You certainly do not know much about the history of the Civil War. Lee lost because of industry and man power. Not out foxed.
I read somewhere that Jackson was supposed to attacked but failed to do so. Lee pointed out that "there stands Jackson like a stonewall". Not pushing the attack and that led people to call him stonewall Jackson.
Patton was my man. Read a great book about this incredible general. But given the magnitude of his duties, the stakes on the line and our victory, you have to give it to Ike. But without Patton, we suffer many, many more losses.
But a WV man, who attended WVU. played a huge role in Patton's success at the Battle of the Bulge. General Anthony McAuliffe held the critical city of Bastogne while surrounded and greatly outnumbered by the Germans. It gave Patton the critical time he needed and Major General Hugh Gaffney arrived in time to secure the city.
The Germans had earlier sent a few men to demand surrender of McAuliffe and his men. McAuliffe never cursed. His simple reply to the German messengers was "Nuts.". The Germans were confused about that response, so one of McAuliffe's aide's interpreted the message. He told the Germans to go to hell.
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Stonewall was already dead by the Battle of Gettysburg. He received his name, Stonewall, by another confederate general, based on him standing his ground during the Battle of Bull Run in 1861. It had nothing to do with him being afraid to attack.
I have Patton's book, War as I knew it. He never wanted to attack at Bastogne. He wanted to attack due north, cut off what was left of the German army and rip it to shreds with combined air and ground power. By going backward to Bastogne, the German army changed direction and went back to germany to be fought for the next 4 months, prolonging the war. He said that Mcauliffe got the DSM for getting surrounded, Patton said he did not get a DSM for saving his butt. those are Patton's words. Paton said that a force as big as the german's did not retreat, it just changed directions. In his book, there were codes for where the attack was to be commenced since the German's were listening to phone conversations. The code for the Bastogne attack was, Don't forget to take Willie for a walk. His dog was named willie.
No, he was outfoxed.
If he was the greatest general ever, I wonder then why people say that Stonewall Jackson's death is what turned Gettysburg. That if he would have been there he would have been able to convince Lee of a different strategy?
I'll simplify it for you.
Lee had a bad strategy ... a better general might have been able to change his mind.
Once Bastogne was surrounded, Patton had to act. He could not let the American soldiers be captured and/or killed or let the Germans recapture the harbor of Antwerp. Gaffney arrived with the 3rd Armored Force to free Bastogne. The Germans wanted the harbor at Antwerp and Bastogne was key to taking back that harbor from American forces. The Germans hoped to mute American air power by recapturing the harbor. Thus Bastogne was integral to their plans.
General Jackson’s Earns The Nickname "Stonewall"
Jackson acquired his nickname two weeks later, July 21, on Henry Hill outside Manassas, in the Battle of First Bull Run (First Battle of Manassas). Infantry under South Carolinian brigadier general Bernard Bee had been engaged for some time and were falling back; Jackson’s brigade was in reserve. Bee told his men, "There stands Jackson like a stone wall," but whether he meant it as a compliment or an insult has been long debated. Bee was killed later in the battle. When Jackson threw his troops into the battle, they captured Union artillery atop the hill and fought the Federals until Confederate reinforcements caused a Union rout.
Eat **** and bark at the moon. This is from his military history.
Again, I have his book, do you? He thought the prudent military maneuver was to end the war. Cutting the final part of the German army off and killing it would end the war for the Americans. Patton was more astute in how to fight and end a battle than those who seemed to prolong it. If you think about it, German air power was done. If the damn English had close Felise Gap, that would have shortened the war.
Read above where I posted for WVUCooper. That's from Jackson's military history.
No, I read Patton's biography. My guess is that historians have many interpretations of events. In the book on Patton I read, he did not want to lose the harbor at Antwerp. It was critical to our air power.
Let's see here. What makes one "great"? Well, you say he wasn't "outfoxed" just didn't have the same industry and supplies as the Union. That's correct. But he still lost. "Great" generals find ways to win (ex. George Washington....who I think we know was outnumbered and out-resourced more than your beloved Lee).
As far as "outfoxed", was made to look incompetent at Gettysburg. He ordered Pickett's Charge, knowing damn well that the outcome would not be beneficial. Fact is his heart wasn't in it, he didn't care if they lost, and fighting a defensive war was something he was not very good at, and I guess neither was fighting an offensive war.
I'll say he's perhaps the greatest general to commit TREASON.......oh, no......he can't even be that as Benedict Arnold done more for this country that Lee did.......[thumbsup]
Yep Lee screwed the pooch at Gettysburg...he was desperate for a win that far North...he should have left the field after the 2nd day.
So I got the General wrong? It wasn't lee but it was another general. Closer to the truth than what you said![laughing]
If you can, find it and read it. You get a different perspective from the man himself. He said in the book that an army the size of the germans in the BOTB, does not retreat, like so many like to make it sound like, it advances in a different direction. We fought that same army for the next 4 months. Patton made one mistake, his own comment on his son in law's attempted rescue, he was likely right about this too. I'll take his own words. There's a photo copy of the fair weather prayer.
I went to Gettysburg last Summer. I highly recommend it to anybody that hasn't been there. Pretty amazing.
I really like this one by Cynthia Kelly , highly recommend.
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Been there a few times. Best way to view the battlefield IMO is on bikes - easy to get around and not parking issues when you want to see something off the road. Keep telling my wife that I want to go back and take our 7 year old but she thinks he wouldn't appreciate it. I told her what boy wouldn't want to see cannons. Stroke of luck the other night when he brought up they were talking about the Civil War in class - I see a short summer trip in my future.
I was on another trip for other reasons and didn't have my bike with me, but I've spoken with others that suggested doing it on bikes. It does look like you'd get a lot more out of it that way.
I bought the CD to play in the car as we went around. Stopped where it said to stop and listened as it described what happened there. Then we also got out and read the monuments and walked around in different places to get better viewpoints of what was being described.
And the Rosenbergs were tried and executed for passing secrets to the Russians. Manning was going to get a sex change operation. My how ties have changed.