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I appreciate your perspective, but I don’t agree that Epstein was doing all those horrible things simply for personal gain. Call me a conspiracy theorist, but to me it appears he was an intelligence asset used to honey pot the most important people in the world.
Outside of Bill Clinton and Bill Gates, most of those people aren't very important (and Clinton was, well, on a downward trajectory as post-Presidential influence just isn't that much anywhere besides the Trump-led GOP). Every time I hear some "huge revelation," it's a person of marginal relevance at best.
Moreover, there's just no evidence that Epstein was under the control of an intelligence service. The idea that he could leave no trail of a years long conspiracy to net "big fish," it's just fantasy. Let's be real, the paper trail on US intelligence operations (I think we can all agree this wasn't one) is almost comically long once it comes out. Bureaucracies remain bureacratic.
Occam's razor - jock sniffer with some shady money, no moral compass, and predatory sexual proclivities.
One man is shining light Trump. Not Obama, not Biden .
Separately, my stocks are crushing it. Some ETF my broker bought is up 24 percent in 2026 already. Its’ focus is infrastructure construction directly related to the money pouring into this country to build factories. The Trump effect. Meanwhile, two plus deranged individuals predicted a deep recession. Whoops - total fail.
Separately, my stocks are crushing it. Some ETF my broker bought is up 24 percent in 2026 already. Its’ focus is infrastructure construction directly related to the money pouring into this country to build factories. The Trump effect. Meanwhile, two plus deranged individuals predicted a deep recession. Whoops - total fail.
RE Nancy Guthrie The FBI released video today of what looks like a guy wearing ski mask, carrying a weapon at her home. Fox News has the tagline: "closing in". Not sure they should be doing that yet.
TJ’s shift to QAnon LARPer is the most hilarious thing I’ve seen on this board yet.
Agreed. That’s why I specifically stated “don’t count your chickens before they hatch.”
A hot economy will get hotter removing communist Democrat regulations. This will happen thanks to those who had the spine to vote Trump. Not Kamala, or checks notes, RDS LOL.
Rill’s hero guy. Yes. We already knew about Wexner, so if that is who Massie “outed”, rillastrawman allowed himself to be deceived by the Massiehole.
Once again, just because someone is in the Epstein files, it does not indicate guilt. I’m no fan of Jay-Z, but need a lot more info before coming to any conclusion.
Wexner wasn’t the only name unredacted yesterday you dumbass. Do you ever think to look into any of this stuff you post?
It’s really something that you think exposing these guys is a bad thing.
JayZ tied to both Epstein and Diddy but Uncoach wants some more info.
Massie is an ******* though..
Wrong.
You are on the struggle bus lately. I think most would agree there is more there, there for Clinton than Trump as it relates to Epstein. Clinton went to Epstein island aboard the Lolita 26 legs. I am guessing that is 13 times. Trump was not on the flight logs once for Epstein island. Meanwhile your heroes in the media that are only concerned with getting Trump did the following reporting on the two presidents:
The mainstream media's coverage of connections between Jeffrey Epstein and political figures has been heavily skewed, with far more airtime devoted to Donald Trump's association than to Bill Clinton's, based on analyses from media watchdogs.A Media Research Center (MRC) study of ABC, CBS, and NBC flagship programs (morning/evening newscasts and Sunday shows) from July 7, 2025, onward found over 1,033 minutes (more than 17 hours) focused on the Trump-Epstein link, broken down as 416 minutes on ABC, 364 on NBC, and 252 on CBS. In contrast, the same networks provided minimal attention to Clinton's ties: For instance, a Nexis transcript search of CBS News over a one-month period in mid-2025 yielded only four brief mentions of Clinton in Epstein-related stories, while dumping hours on Trump. PBS News Hour similarly offered just one cursory reference to Clinton amid extensive Trump coverage during the same timeframe. This disparity aligns with broader patterns of media bias identified by MRC, where Trump-related scandals receive disproportionate emphasis compared to those involving Democrats like Clinton. Note that these figures capture broadcast TV airtime and do not include cable news or print/digital media, where similar imbalances have been noted in qualitative reviews.
There has been an overwhelming amount for Bondi and her team to do since taking over. I am not qualified to evaluate how she is doing, but there seems to be plenty of evidence some investigators are holding her back.
Poor Donald. He told everyone repeatedly to stop talking about Epstein so now he looks bad. Very easy way to fix that.
Rill told me there is video evidence everyone is sweeping under the rug. Maybe there is, but without it there is going to be a lot of he said, she said. Just like I posted to Rill a few days ago.
7 name sam says there were people eating children. Did you see that evidence?
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It may reveal something, but these documents have been sitting around in the possession of people that could change them at anytime. Not so dissimilar to the Epstein files.
Clinton was much more involved with Epstein than Trump is.
Perhaps the media is biased, but perhaps Clinton was last elected to public office when I was not eligible to vote, I'm now 46.
Neither was changed. That's the thing, no one but the conspiracy theorists gives a flying f&ck.
I don't think Trump had some meaningfully connection to Epstein in the past 20 years, but Biden's team had years to sink him with that stuff. Never did. Why?
Because there was nothing in the documents that ever had Trump doing anything actually criminal/materially bad.
Let's be real, there's plenty of places Trump has faced legal jeopardy because that kind of thing was pretty easily found!
Clinton is a two time Democrat president that is polling as the lefts 13th highest rated Dem in the US per YouGov tracking this month. They dust him off and have him speak at the DNC regularly. Is he as exciting as Trump? No, but who is?
The media obsesses about Epstein because of their get Trump attitude while he is in office.
Lutnick claims he had lunch with Epstein while on a vacation near the island with his entire family and nannies in attendance, and that's what the documents allege. They also invested in the same business (was it a "Hawaii spa"???). I hadn't seen his name if the list of alleged notables few have heard of, but boy they've got him there. And I think Lutnick is a douche.
As for intelligence services, your response is a canard. I didn't say "only US intelligence services keep records." There are millions of Epstein documents, and he's not meaningfully linked to any other intelligence services either.
The reason conspiracy theories are basically never true is because people can't keep their mouth shut. By the time you get to person 4 or 5, you are pretty much screwed, someone is gonna roll. Here we are, somewhere between 10-20 years of Epstein conspiracy theories in, and no one has jack bleeping shiz on anyone but the two people who got arrested. GO FIGURE!
Here's the reality of human behavior. There are good people among elites; there are crappy ones. There are good people among the poor; there are crappy ones. Epstein was among the worst of the worst, and plenty of those connected to him (tho not all) were also crappy. But if he'd been engaged in a conspiracy to traffic large numbers of underage girls, it would have failed, because most people can't keep their mouth shut and plenty (even some of the crappy ones) would be disturbed by a conspiracy to traffic underage girls.
I think for a time that was true, now it's the reality that loons are obsessed with the story and it drives traffic amongst them.
You've never had a better post than the one you had about several anti-Trumpers now using Q talking points. But I'm gonna be frank, I tend to consume high end intellectual content from publications that are Trump skeptical but to the right from a viewpoint perspective, the Epstein case is literally the least relevant among these types (because they are the most resistant to conspiracies).
It’s not about Trump. Sure the media and democrats are trying to make it about Trump, but he’s not implicated other than his friends.
Be honest. How much have you actually looked into what was released this weekend?
This wasn’t just a guy trafficking some young prostitutes for his fetishes. Horrible things were happening.
You can provide us a list, with links to actual evidence not some stupid Twitter account that is paying some Bangladeshi's bills. The onus is on you.
The NTY/WaPo and every other news organization in the US has incredible incentives to establish that your take is right, but none can. Because your take is wrong.
I don’t know what to think of Lutnick wrt to Epstein, but, when I have watched him in interviews and such, he has big douche vibes.
What's even more hilarious is that the evidence shows that "linking corporations to Epstein" has been a massive cash cow for the lawyers representing the victims (with one dubious exception, the victims aren't naming others allegedly involved in the "plot"). Hundreds of millions of dollars have been paid to simply avoid getting sued for the tortious conduct of having some esoteric connection to Jeffrey Epstein (as if, say, his bankers were guilty of something for being his depositary institution).
From New York to New Mexico: new Epstein files shed light on his sprawling ranch outside Santa Fe | Jeffrey Epstein | The Guardian
Literally every published piece I can find about Epstein contains graphic allegations of Epstein's horrid behavior, right down to very specific details of where/how abuse took place.
And then anyone else mentioned (here Woody Allen) and basically the charge is some loose affiliation with no detail or even allegation of wrongdoing. I mean, Woody is a known freak. Couldn't they find someone/anyone to validate that Woody abused them with Epstein somehow facilitating it?
We should be swimming in specific allegations of sex crimes if the Epstein cabal stuff is true.
Literally every published piece I can find about Epstein contains graphic allegations of Epstein's horrid behavior, right down to very specific details of where/how abuse took place.
And then anyone else mentioned (here Woody Allen) and basically the charge is some loose affiliation with no detail or even allegation of wrongdoing. I mean, Woody is a known freak. Couldn't they find someone/anyone to validate that Woody abused them with Epstein somehow facilitating it?
We should be swimming in specific allegations of sex crimes if the Epstein cabal stuff is true.
I mentioned the lawyers on this. Brad Edwards is the lead guy. He's represented over 200 victims of Epstein. He also testified at the 2008 trial where he called Jeffie one of the worst sex abusers in history.
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Now let's see his take:
"Jeffrey Epstein was the pimp and the john. He was his own No. 1 client," Edwards told ABC News. "Nearly all of the exploitation and abuse of all of the women was intended to benefit only Jeffrey Epstein and Jeffrey Epstein's sexual desires."
Edwards describes the enigmatic Epstein as living, essentially, two separate lives: one in which he was sexually abusing women and girls "on a daily basis," and another in which he associated with politicians, royalty, and titans of business, academia, and science.
"For the most part, those two worlds did not overlap. And where they overlapped, in the instances they overlapped, it seems to be a very small percentage," Edwards said. "There were occasions where a select few of these men engaged in sexual acts with a select few of the girls that Jeffrey Epstein was exploiting or abusing -- primarily girls who were over the age of 18."
"It's difficult to even discern, when he would send a woman to one of his friends, whether that was even a motivation. What he was not is a person on the top of a sex trafficking operation that was sending women to powerful people around the world so that he could make money. It was not a business," Edwards said. "And I think the few examples that we have, the known examples, have led to this belief that he must have been doing that with all of the women that he was abusing. That must have just been his gig. But that wasn't what he was doing on a daily basis. He's a sexual abuser and predator himself."
If Epstein kept a list of those men, Edwards said he's not seen it.
What we know and don't know about Jeffrey Epstein, according to key victims' attorney - ABC News
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The person with the most information on Epstein's malfeasance thinks the pedophilic sex ring is a fairy tale. Btw, this dude has made tens, if not hundreds, of millions on taking down those affiliated with Epstein's wrongdoing.
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Now let's see his take:
"Jeffrey Epstein was the pimp and the john. He was his own No. 1 client," Edwards told ABC News. "Nearly all of the exploitation and abuse of all of the women was intended to benefit only Jeffrey Epstein and Jeffrey Epstein's sexual desires."
Edwards describes the enigmatic Epstein as living, essentially, two separate lives: one in which he was sexually abusing women and girls "on a daily basis," and another in which he associated with politicians, royalty, and titans of business, academia, and science.
"For the most part, those two worlds did not overlap. And where they overlapped, in the instances they overlapped, it seems to be a very small percentage," Edwards said. "There were occasions where a select few of these men engaged in sexual acts with a select few of the girls that Jeffrey Epstein was exploiting or abusing -- primarily girls who were over the age of 18."
"It's difficult to even discern, when he would send a woman to one of his friends, whether that was even a motivation. What he was not is a person on the top of a sex trafficking operation that was sending women to powerful people around the world so that he could make money. It was not a business," Edwards said. "And I think the few examples that we have, the known examples, have led to this belief that he must have been doing that with all of the women that he was abusing. That must have just been his gig. But that wasn't what he was doing on a daily basis. He's a sexual abuser and predator himself."
If Epstein kept a list of those men, Edwards said he's not seen it.
What we know and don't know about Jeffrey Epstein, according to key victims' attorney - ABC News
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The person with the most information on Epstein's malfeasance thinks the pedophilic sex ring is a fairy tale. Btw, this dude has made tens, if not hundreds, of millions on taking down those affiliated with Epstein's wrongdoing.
Appreciate the perspective and the article from last July.
Read some of the emails and documents that have been released this past weekend.
I posted several actual documents over the weekend. I also read some that are too disgusting to post anywhere.
It’s not my job to convince you. If you’re curious you can read the same things.
More info coming out Dtrain. We might be over sensationalizing this. At the same time, I think you are minimizing what was going on at that island and in New Mexico. What were the gynos doing for Epstein? According to emails, it looks like he was sending victims to more than 1.
Jeffrey Epstein made regular payments to Ohio State head of gynecology, records show
COLUMBUS, Ohio (WCMH) — Convicted sex offender Jeffrey Epstein paid Ohio State University’s head of gynecology quarterly payments of thousands of dollars, Department of Justice files sh…
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