Nah. You were twisting up Climate Change with heat zones. Then you argued with conservationists. You’ve been at the forefront of nothing. Us older Gen Xers have seen the scam of the coming Ice Age in the 70’s turn into the Global Warming scam in the 80’s and 90’s. Climate “scientists” have been making up **** for over 50 years. The Left and the radical enviros are not good caretakers of the land. Their policies cause more to burn, more easily. Their view of water/irrigation, etc is also quite stupid. The Southwest overall has issues from population growth that puts a strain on water supply. Whodathunkit? Water is a premium in a desert.
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It is still just a dent in the budget deficit. Why bother?/Jeff
Fair enough response. I appreciate the clarity on your position, I do agree it's more restrained that some of the wilder speculation.
I have not seen anything credible linking Epstein closely to foreign intelligence (I know there are allegations that this was The Mossad floating around). They typically focus on the lack of clarity about how he acquired his wealth. That said, with electronic communications less prevalent when Epstein first started acquiring his wealth (I mean, he turned 45 before most people had email), it could have been anything from actually facilitating some successful business transactions to extorting a couple of the right people, speculate away.
One of the reasons I cite to the lawyer is that, not only does he have more knowledge of the case than anyone, he is extraordinarily incentivized to want the involvement of more - not less - rich and powerful people. This has been a cash cow of an incredible magnitude for a guy who apparently just "hung out a shingle" only to have one of the victims show up for a consultation. But I've also attempted to read up on the allegations about the involvement of others, but each and every time it's sizzle without the steak. I mean, how do you - a convicted sex predator - invite Woody Allen to your ranch and not have some absurd sex abuse allegations involving Woody unless none actually happened?
Howard Lutnick is a complete douche, but the actual documentation of his visit to Epstein Island supports his narrative that he brought the family while on vacation nearby. Rillaman cited to a gynecologist at Ohio State who was paid by Epstein in 2019, but when I read up on it, that matter was fully investigated and vetted years ago, with a public investigation from the doctor (I'm not saying you have to believe him, but it's not a new allegation and no one has ever found any evidence of wrongdoing, which is a common theme when it comes to Epstein and the third parties he was sucking up to).As for the magnitude of women, it appears Epstein had insatiable sexual appetites (the evidence is clear on this). It also appears that most of these situations involved young women of legal age who were coerced (and in many cases probably paid) to have sex with Epstein. The implication is, to the extent others also received sexual favors from Epstein's scheme, it was the legal-aged women who were involved in those trysts. Which would make little sense if Epstein were springing a honeypot, you'd want the criminal stuff because it generates so much more leverage. But if the scheme were all about pleasing Epstein, the last thing he'd ever want is a 16-year-old alleging he was passing her around as a prostitute (to gain personally), that's decades in prison type stuff, and I'm fairly comfortable speculating Epstein had a good sense of his own legal jeopardy.
I haven't even gotten to the legal stuff. If you were an FBI agent who got the goods on the Epstein honeypot ring, it's a career maker. Instead, what every investigation got was Jeff Epstein, monster who preyed on vulnerable young girls on either side of the 18-year-old age of consent. I just don't see the facts taking us anywhere else, after years after speculation and innuendo.
Appreciate the constructive discussion. I take Trump decisions one by one, and comment appropriately.
I've thought the last 6 months - particularly because Trump has demonstrated some appreciation on the limits on federal power domestically - have been much better than the first 6 months. Trump is always better when he's doing normal GOP stuff (plus immigration) than when he's doing extreme MAGA cosplay.
I don’t know if they lost big money. I know the numbers will have some advertisers questioning what they were charged/will be charged next year. Rilla just twerked the entire half time show while others tuned in elsewhere. Frankly I need to see more evidence that all of those tuning out watched the TPUSA halftime. I thought it was about 6 mil, but with all the different media on which TPUSA was streaming, it could have been significantly more than 6 mil. I’m sure there were some who just turned the TV to something else. Either way I’m glad I turned the channel despite finding the alternative halftime show quite boring. Rillastrawman also willfully misrepresented Bad Bunny vs Kid Rock. I couldn’t care less if Bad Bunny’s music is full of filth. A lot of people were throwing up the lyrics to his songs on X. Click bait. I found the actual halftime show on Apple and they only had 3-4 words asterisked out. So even in Spanish, even though his songs are not family friendly, and even though he is anti-ICE, I didn’t like the clickbait. As for Captain Strawman, I also do not care what Kid Rock’s lyrics are or used to be. He did not use those specific lyrics on Sunday, much to the demise of rilla’s willful misrepresentation of Kid Rocks halftime show.[/said up drop the boogie]
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I've never twisted up climate change with heat zones. I've been concerned about urban heat zones and water shortages.
Search engine is fairly easy to navigate. Show me evidence I've fear mongered about climate change.
Talking **** about America overseas cost the Dixie Chicks their career. I hope all of these American dum dums have the same fate. If my kids were in the Olympics and Biden was President, I would expect them to say “I live the US. Despite whatever issues we may have, I believe it’s the best.” Leave it at that.
Speaking of willful misrepresentation.
I hate chili, drank a beer, and laughed along with the other adults in the room about how people were so outraged about this. Then I went and played arcade games with my son, and we never talked about it again. He just remembers the attractive ladies dancing on TV.
You were twisting heat zones and mistaking them for climate change. You claimed to have discovered this **** when anyone with have a brain understood at 5 years old walking across the community swimming pool parking lot was hotter than hell and your feet got instant relief in the grass. That means I knew about heat zones roughly 54 years ago.
You must be really special to have a search engine that goes back through deleted threads and gives you access where you don’t actually have access. Do tell.
I just want transparency. If it turns out that Epstein and Maxwell are only two guilty parties then I’ll accept that. This most recent info dump exposed several details that make me question that narrativeFair enough response. I appreciate the clarity on your position, I do agree it's more restrained that some of the wilder speculation.
I have not seen anything credible linking Epstein closely to foreign intelligence (I know there are allegations that this was The Mossad floating around). They typically focus on the lack of clarity about how he acquired his wealth. That said, with electronic communications less prevalent when Epstein first started acquiring his wealth (I mean, he turned 45 before most people had email), it could have been anything from actually facilitating some successful business transactions to extorting a couple of the right people, speculate away.
One of the reasons I cite to the lawyer is that, not only does he have more knowledge of the case than anyone, he is extraordinarily incentivized to want the involvement of more - not less - rich and powerful people. This has been a cash cow of an incredible magnitude for a guy who apparently just "hung out a shingle" only to have one of the victims show up for a consultation. But I've also attempted to read up on the allegations about the involvement of others, but each and every time it's sizzle without the steak. I mean, how do you - a convicted sex predator - invite Woody Allen to your ranch and not have some absurd sex abuse allegations involving Woody unless none actually happened?
As for the magnitude of women, it appears Epstein had insatiable sexual appetites (the evidence is clear on this). It also appears that most of these situations involved young women of legal age who were coerced (and in many cases probably paid) to have sex with Epstein. The implication is, to the extent others also received sexual favors from Epstein's scheme, it was the legal-aged women who were involved in those trysts. Which would make little sense if Epstein were springing a honeypot, you'd want the criminal stuff because it generates so much more leverage. But if the scheme were all about pleasing Epstein, the last thing he'd ever want is a 16-year-old alleging he was passing her around as a prostitute (to gain personally), that's decades in prison type stuff, and I'm fairly comfortable speculating Epstein had a good sense of his own legal jeopardy.
I haven't even gotten to the legal stuff. If you were an FBI agent who got the goods on the Epstein honeypot ring, it's a career maker. Instead, what every investigation got was Jeff Epstein, monster who preyed on vulnerable young girls on either side of the 18-year-old age of consent. I just don't see the facts taking us anywhere else, after years after speculation and innuendo.
-Wexner an obvious co-conspirator. Why is he off the hook?
-There’s a document announcing Epstein death before it even happened. What is that about? Just a typo?
-There’s a document explaining investigators wiped the footage of his cell. Convenient.
-Several emails describing some pretty horrendous details involving minors. Who are these people and how were they involved?
This isn’t a Trump thing for me other than his reluctance to look into it further is incredibly suspicious. I’m tired of the people in that particular class getting away with everything. Seems like some low hanging fruit is there (Wexner and some of the others cited in these recent emails). Why is nothing being done?
Poor Rill, can't even remember that you connected Colorado wildfires to climate change just last summer....then claimed otherwise. Always in the squishy middle.
As for Arizona, it was "founded" by some brilliant people with wonderful long-term solutions with respect to water. Early on, they secured excellent water rights for the state which secured the 5 C's (Cattle, Cotton, and Citrus among them). They built canals to move the water where needed. Arizona is truly an example of American greatness - something you wouldn't understand. Out of an otherwise inhospitable desert, the 5th largest city in America stands. Where are the world's most cutting edge ICs being built? In Phoenix thanks to TSMC and Nvidia.
Only an idiot such as yourself would think that more people results in water problems. To the contrary, any development must have water rights before proceeding. In fact, cotton, citrus and other crops use more water than a housing development so adding people actually equates to water savings. So, continue being ignorant and in denial on your global warming rant. In a short few months you will deny being obsessed with Epstein. Squish, squish, squish.
The city I lived in paid me $200 cash money long ago to have desertscape for a yard. Arizona is all about water savings and never once have I been under a water restriction. Arizona pumps unused water underground for future use.
If Arizona were water poor, the biggest nuke facility in the country and now TSMC wouldn't be doing business in Arizona since they are water intensive.
I know the Wexner guy had a long history with Epstein. Could Epstein have extorted him on his road to substantial wealth (Epstein probably had less than he let on, but it was still a lot)? Could he have been a party to Epstein's crimes? Both are very possible. I wouldn't read too much into him being what I'm seeing as an "unindicted co-conspirator" allegation. That typically means the authorities have some dirt, but don't have enough to prosecute. Most prosecutors are not known for their charity in refraining from prosecutions, so if I had to guess they didn't have tons on anyone but Maxwell.
Let's just say I'm highly circumspect on the "Epstein didn't kill himself narrative." It's a prison, those places suck. The employees are mostly low IQ idiots with limited options, they probably don't have your level of documentation skills. And Epstein had every incentive to kill himself, not only was he likely headed to prison in his waning years of life, he was going to be the most notorious sex offender in the US. What an awesome way to spend your 70s.
Not sure what the allegations are on your fourth point.
As for Trump, I'm sure he doesn't like the story because his (loose IMO) smears his "good name." But JE has been investigated more than almost anyone. Epstein didn't get away with it (he was a convicted sex offender), but the massive cost and difficulty of prosecuting him in a case that would have probably netted something like a 3-10 year sentence almost certainly dissuaded Alex Acosta from dedicating the resources a successful prosecution achieving a longer prison sentence was going to take. I don't think "the rich" get away with bad behavior any more other groups, but their ability to retain highly skilled counsel and fund lavish defenses means they are more likely to get less bad results once in the justice system (see OJ for a prime example of this). OJ didn't get away with it, but he wasn't convicted.
Once again, misrepresenting what I said last summer. I blamed massive growth in population (and the increased consumption of water), and lack of wildfire preparedness.
I've stated on here that most "wildfires" are actually just fires started by humans, that grew because of conditions. I talked about that with the record New Mexico fire and the recent fires in Colorado. You just get angry when I talk about this stuff and start shouting about climate change and people being squishy.
I hope you are better at debating people in person. You seem like a nut.
Arizona is pretty good at managing other state's water. We'll see how that ends up in the long term. Arizona's use of other state's water puts a massive strain on those other states during times of draught. According to AI.....
Key Aspects of Arizona's Water Situation:
Key Aspects of Arizona's Water Situation:
- Declining Reserves: As of 2026, Arizona's reservoirs, including those fed by the Colorado River (which provides ~36% of the state's water), are under pressure due to dry winters, with groundwater levels dropping significantly.
- Water Quality Concerns: Studies have indicated that Phoenix, in particular, has high levels of contaminants such as PFAS and chromium-6.
- Hard Water: The state has some of the hardest water in the U.S., with mineral buildup levels ranging from 9.2 to 20.1 gpg in Phoenix.
- Usage and Infrastructure: Despite the scarcity, high consumption continues, leading to increased costs for water treatment and infrastructure maintenance.
- Supply Management: Arizona is actively managing its supply, but rapid population growth and climate-induced aridification continue to strain resources.
Groundwater in the Colorado River Basin is low, raising farmers’ electric bills
Groundwater in Arizona and the rest of the Colorado River Basin is drying up fast, causing farmers to spend more money on pumping.
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Ya, things are great in Arizona. Tell the farmers and ranchers in your area.
The water problem in AZ is similar to California and Nevada, water sources are limited and population is growing. At this point I'm not sure how much more housing Calif is building in mid/eastern Calif, but their urban sprawl is enormous in both N and S Calif. Their water solution so far has been to cut back on agriculture and try to take water rights away from the rest of the colorado river basin. (There is at least one desalination plant in San Diego and that always is available with enough money and environmental concessions)
In AZ, they still are building large new housing developments in the desert and claiming there is plenty of water for them. We have a large watershed to the East that we don't share with other states but the Colorado river water is always vulnerable. Also, in AZ they have been taking water away from agriculture-- similar to Calif.
Not sure when water availability will finally stop the population growth.
In AZ, they still are building large new housing developments in the desert and claiming there is plenty of water for them. We have a large watershed to the East that we don't share with other states but the Colorado river water is always vulnerable. Also, in AZ they have been taking water away from agriculture-- similar to Calif.
Not sure when water availability will finally stop the population growth.
Wildfire Causes and Evaluations (U.S. National Park Service)
Learn about the causes of wildland fires and how managers decide how to deal with wildland fires.
www.nps.gov
No, most often caused by careless humans. Lightning is likely the cause of less than 5%.
In Colorado, it’s almost always someone burning something, and it getting out of control. High wind (knocking down power lines) probably causes, and/or accelerates fires, more than lighting.
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Why do people want Bondi fired? Her DOJ has been excellent at appeals and at SCOTUS. And she is “coming after you”. They just aren’t the big kahunas that everyone wants. The big kahunas are smart enough to use people who are dumb enough to inhibit ICE instead of getting themselves dirty.
Wasn't the Minnesota shooter trans, as well? Went from Robert to Robin.