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tjfleck6

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Read my original post. Never said passports were the only documents. Improve your reading comprehension skills.
Sorry, Jeff, you are a moron. Your original racist post assumes black people are too stupid to have a passport or birth certificate since Trump is trying to preserve MAGA. Your racism and bigotry are poorly disguised.

I'd tell a funny story, but you are a humorless, childless cat-man and a complete hyprocrite fleeing to Florida after ******* up Naperville and Illinois with your idiocy.

For those with a sense of humor, I recall a Rolling Stones concert at Alpine Valley around 1990. My friend forgot his DL and to enter the beer garden, one needed ID. He presented a United States passport. Sorry pal, this is Wisconsin and I don't know what the hell you are trying to pull, but you aren't getting into the beer garden with this.
 

rillaman

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I said half the people don’t have passports not documents. Your source said the same thing. Exactly how am I spreading misinformation?

Your source also said 21 million people don't have ready access to these documents. Voter suppression.

Why would half the country have to scramble to find documents, if only 21 million people don’t have the required documents? The math ain’t mathing.

Dems could help those people find the necessary documents. They don’t want to do that. They would rather just moan about “voter suppression”.
 
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rillaman

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I can't show proof of something that didn't happen. Why has there not been one successful case of prosecuted voting fraud? It must be nice to not think for yourself and just think what Trump tells you to think saves you a great deal of time and energy.

Are you completely unaware, or just lying intentionally? It took me less than a minute to find these.



 
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JeffT819

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Are you completely unaware, or just lying intentionally? It took me less than a minute to find these.



I was referring to the 2020 presidential election which is what is driving Trump.
 

rillaman

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I was referring to the 2020 presidential election which is what is driving Trump.

And you are aware of zero successful prosecutions? Your definitive statements are concerning.


 
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And you are aware of zero successful prosecutions? Your definitive statements are concerning.


Keep clutching your pearls over one fraudulent vote. The other case involved a few dozen votes. Where is the large scale voter fraud that will change election results? It does not exist. Millions will be disenfranchised with the SAVE bill which will impact the results much more than a few isolated examples of voter fraud.
 

rillaman

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Keep clutching your pearls over one fraudulent vote. The other case involved a few dozen votes. Where is the large scale voter fraud that will change election results? It does not exist. Millions will be disenfranchised with the SAVE bill which will impact the results much more than a few isolated examples of voter fraud.

I responded to this quote, from you. I'm not clutching pearls. I just don't like people saying things that are obviously untrue, and stating those same things as fact.

"Why has there not been one successful case of prosecuted voting fraud?"

When people are either completely unaware of something that is obvious, or worse, lies about it, it makes you question other things they say.

You previously said that half the country would be scrambling for documents, when the facts show that 6% might need help finding them.

Replacing a birth certificate costs $15-30 (for example, $15 in Cook County). The Dems could easily finance support for the 6%. They don't want to. They want people to believe it's impossible.

Funny, I don't remember a single Dem saying that requiring a vaccine passport was worker suppression.
 
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All above board and the state that hates Trump gave him a 5 plus percent margin of victory 4 years later.


Head in the sand of deep red Florida.


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is a popular X account (over 266,000 followers, blue-verified) run by someone describing themselves as a "Digital Operator • Creator • Intelligence Researcher" with a strong pro-Second Amendment, patriotic (1776-themed), and "America First" stance, positioning itself as a fighter in an "information war" against lies and corruption. Its content primarily promotes claims of widespread election fraud in 2020 (and sometimes 2024), including allegations about mail-in ballot discrepancies in Pennsylvania, Dominion voting machine capabilities for manipulation, ballot shredding/destruction in various states, observer restrictions, and related conspiracy narratives often aligned with MAGA/conservative viewpoints, frequently using videos and documents to support these points.

It is not a trustworthy source for factual information on elections or politics. Multiple claims it has amplified—such as Pennsylvania receiving far more mail-in ballots than sent out in 2020 (accounting for Biden's "spike"), massive illegal voting in Wisconsin, or evidence destruction in Georgia—have been repeatedly debunked by independent fact-checkers like FactCheck.org as recycled misinformation, misinterpretations of data, or outright false assertions long disproven in courts and audits. While it may highlight real documents or videos, it consistently frames them in ways that push unsubstantiated fraud narratives without balanced evidence or context.
 

rillaman

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Voting assistance program idea -
Class project for all kids in public schools. Ask your parents if they have your birth certificate. Ask them if they have a copy of their own birth certificate. For those kids that don't have one, and/or parents don't have one, send a link/form that gives instructions on how to obtain one.
 
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JeffT819

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I responded to this quote, from you. I'm not clutching pearls. I just don't like people saying things that are obviously untrue, and stating those same things as fact.

"Why has there not been one successful case of prosecuted voting fraud?"

When people are either completely unaware of something that is obvious, or worse, lies about it, it makes you question other things they say.

You previously said that half the country would be scrambling for documents, when the facts show that 6% might need help finding them.

Replacing a birth certificate costs $15-30 (for example, $15 in Cook County). The Dems could easily finance support for the 6%. They don't want to. They want people to believe it's impossible.

Funny, I don't remember a single Dem saying that requiring a vaccine passport was worker suppression.
I will rephrase my statement. There have been NO SIGNIFICANT cases of voter fraud ever prosecuted. Does that make you feel better oh pedantic one. You would rather disenfranchise millions of voters in an effort to stop insignificant cases of voter fraud. Social justice means nothing to you.
 

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I will rephrase my statement. There have been NO SIGNIFICANT cases of voter fraud ever prosecuted. Does that make you feel better oh pedantic one. You would rather disenfranchise millions of voters in an effort to stop insignificant cases of voter fraud. Social justice means nothing to you.

I have the lowest expectations of people. Obtaining a birth certificate requires very little effort. If people want to vote, they should be able to put forth minimal effort.

I don't believe in disenfranchising millions. I believe that we can show people how easy it is to obtain required materials.

You believe half our country is incapable. But I'm the bad guy.
 
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I will rephrase my statement. There have been NO SIGNIFICANT cases of voter fraud ever prosecuted. Does that make you feel better oh pedantic one. You would rather disenfranchise millions of voters in an effort to stop insignificant cases of voter fraud. Social justice means nothing to you.

Yes, shifting your argument is what dishonest people do. There are several cases where people have been charged and convicted. You are just unaware.


At least 3 of these votes were counted. I'm not disenfranchising voters, the fraudsters are. I just gave a very simple example of how we can help people obtain documents, and you laughed at it.



Could go on for days. But yes, you changed your argument after it was easily proven false.
 
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Time to switch gears. This pretty much wraps up the Snow White discussion.

The upcoming Troy movie with a black Helen of Troy will be the next failure. Hollywood is pretty sick


I followedSnow White closely and I think Disney has noticed and is changing (a little). I'm not sure $170 million is a big deal for them in the movie business, except most of their non-woke movies gross billions. They are now a big streaming service and Snow White is content. They are not hurting for money as long as they have the theme parks.

The new Helen of Troy is Universal Studios. I don't care if she is black as long as it is a good story. Helen of Troy was a Greek mythology story and probably not black. Hollywood has a recent history of political choices in casting and this one may be another. But give her a chance, she may be good at the 30th remake of this story, in case anyone cares. I kinda doubt it.
 
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I followedSnow White closely and I think Disney has noticed and is changing (a little). I'm not sure $170 million is a big deal for them in the movie business, except most of their non-woke movies gross billions. They are now a big streaming service and Snow White is content. They are not hurting for money as long as they have the theme parks.

The new Helen of Troy is Universal Studios. I don't care if she is black as long as it is a good story. Helen of Troy was a Greek mythology story and probably not black. Hollywood has a recent history of political choices in casting and this one may be another. But give her a chance, she may be good at the 30th remake of this story, in case anyone cares. I kinda doubt it.
Cultural appropriation is only OK if it’s replacing the whities.
 
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Yes, shifting your argument is what dishonest people do. There are several cases where people have been charged and convicted. You are just unaware.


At least 3 of these votes were counted. I'm not disenfranchising voters, the fraudsters are. I just gave a very simple example of how we can help people obtain documents, and you laughed at it.



Could go on for days. But yes, you changed your argument after it was easily proven false.
As a Christian I am a proponent of social justice. I believe the SAVE act is immoral since it fosters social injustice for a problem that does not exist. It is evil. We just have different values so we will never agree.
 
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tjfleck6

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I followedSnow White closely and I think Disney has noticed and is changing (a little). I'm not sure $170 million is a big deal for them in the movie business, except most of their non-woke movies gross billions. They are now a big streaming service and Snow White is content. They are not hurting for money as long as they have the theme parks.

The new Helen of Troy is Universal Studios. I don't care if she is black as long as it is a good story. Helen of Troy was a Greek mythology story and probably not black. Hollywood has a recent history of political choices in casting and this one may be another. But give her a chance, she may be good at the 30th remake of this story.
Helen of Troy was white. Sorry, I can't watch a movie that casts Brad Pitt as say Walter Payton. That would be epically stupid.

As for Disney, it's no longer a stock one must own. That's a bad thing and a thing not driven by their parks division.
 

tjfleck6

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Democrats literally fouling things up with our beloved waterways just after whining about Trump killing the start/Stop switch and over regulation. Fake News no where to be found.

 

AzIllini

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As a Christian I am a proponent of social justice. I believe the SAVE act is immoral since it fosters social injustice for a problem that does not exist. It is evil. We just have different values so we will never agree.
I wish you well but this is a strange comment. Being a citizen to vote is American. It is not immoral.

What is immoral is California mailing out ballots to anyone that move on . org decided to register (verified by paid Dem operatives) and then counting their votes. Now California has gerrymandered the State to purposely disenfranchise rural voters. That is social injustice.
 

JeffT819

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I wish you well but this is a strange comment. Being a citizen to vote is American. It is not immoral.

What is immoral is California mailing out ballots to anyone that move on . org decided to register (verified by paid Dem operatives) and then counting their votes. Now California has gerrymandered the State to purposely disenfranchise rural voters. That is social injustice.
Jesus condemned the elite of his time and was a champion for the marginalized of society. Is it so hard to envision that putting up barriers for the marginalized to have a voice is the antithesis of Christianity. My church is of that mindset.

I believe that gerrymandering in all forms is extremely harmful. It is interesting that you mentioned California but not Texas. Guess you are only bothered when MAGA voters are disenfranchised and not POC.