Hard Truth

[Anon1761944322]

I created an account solely to comment on how such a moronic thread exists and how 90% of the replies are also insane. No idea if this even shows. But clearly half of these posters have never played basketball if they’re complaining about an EXHIBITION game! They’re not even in the a regular season game yet and people want to dog on this team. With starters being out and it not even mattering, if you really think they’re putting full effort in, you’re lost. Completely dogging on this team because of exhibition game and players laughing/not playing serious is stupid lol. I hope some resurrects this thread from the dead when they’re vying for a 1 seed for the tourney months from now. This is insane. Some of you need checked out

P.S: the guy saying Oweh is okay is completely off his rocker, a troll, or just stupid. SEC POY and the dude is just “okay” from an exhibition game. Lol, my lord.

love, a rando UK fan.
GO BB

 

[chasingwildcat]

I created an account solely to comment on how such a moronic thread exists and how 90% of the replies are also insane. No idea if this even shows. But clearly half of these posters have never played basketball if they’re complaining about an EXHIBITION game! They’re not even in the a regular season game yet and people want to dog on this team. With starters being out and it not even mattering, if you really think they’re putting full effort in, you’re lost. Completely dogging on this team because of exhibition game and players laughing/not playing serious is stupid lol. I hope some resurrects this thread from the dead when they’re vying for a 1 seed for the tourney months from now. This is insane. Some of you need checked out

P.S: the guy saying Oweh is okay is completely off his rocker, a troll, or just stupid. SEC POY and the dude is just “okay” from an exhibition game. Lol, my lord.

love, a rando UK fan.
GO BB

From two exhibitions games, Oweh is not SEC POY good

We need Oweh to play better in regular season

 

[20MRoster]

I created an account solely to comment on how such a moronic thread exists and how 90% of the replies are also insane. No idea if this even shows. But clearly half of these posters have never played basketball if they’re complaining about an EXHIBITION game! They’re not even in the a regular season game yet and people want to dog on this team. With starters being out and it not even mattering, if you really think they’re putting full effort in, you’re lost. Completely dogging on this team because of exhibition game and players laughing/not playing serious is stupid lol. I hope some resurrects this thread from the dead when they’re vying for a 1 seed for the tourney months from now. This is insane. Some of you need checked out

P.S: the guy saying Oweh is okay is completely off his rocker, a troll, or just stupid. SEC POY and the dude is just “okay” from an exhibition game. Lol, my lord.

love, a rando UK fan.
GO BB

Good to know GT was taking it easy (exhibition game and all) and could have whipped us by 30 if they were trying.

 

[chasingwildcat]

You're right -- I just checked and On3 had 4 star, #3 PF. And yeah, we missed out on peak Jax -- that's a shame.

Shooting is now problem. We may even not have a large volume 35% 3pt shooter...

I dont believe Lowe will suddenly from 25+% to 35+%, which is not reasonable.

And I don't think others will shoot well, unlesss something huge changes on certain players.

 

[UKbrassowTipIn93]

Got outplayed in every aspect statistically! But that isn't the worse thing. Body language....Oweh smiling walking off court after game.... Didn't see a single player entire game get in a teammates face as you are getting embarrassed on your home court by a middle of the pack BE team. Yes it's an exhibition game, but if you have aspirations of a Natty you shouldn't have a performance as a team where act like you don't give crap about winning and you are really never in the game for almost 30 minutes.

I guess we should just pack it in

 

[KYFOSSIL]

have to agree............20 million for that.............wow someone needs to take control of the $ & spend it for more talent

Around 8 million didnt play and another couple million had turf toe and still scored 17 with 7 rebounds

 

[KYFOSSIL]

Oweh is a tier below of Lenier, Sears, Clayton, Broome (core player for EE team)

So I kind of understand, if we want to go far, we need Lowe and JQ emerge, or Oweh elevates his game to another level

As of now, no major differences with last season. But it is only two games, see if Oweh improves during season

I'm not gonna tell you how to think, but you might wanna consider a fact he recovering from turf toe

 

[KYFOSSIL]

I would argue it's a bit worse than last season. Last season, the defense was generally soft and got handled by athletic teams. Very bad overall. However, the offense had a magic aura about it where there were guys that could get hot from 3 and go stretches just never missing (Jax, Brea). When those guys got hot, the whole team would feed off that energy and you'd see guys like Almonor that were otherwise useless go crazy from 3. The offense would be unstoppable, and in a 4 minute run, would essentially win the game.

This year, the expectation was for the defense to be significantly better against athleticism, and it doesn't look like that will be the case. That's the major disappointment from the G-Town exhibition -- if it's more of the same on defense this year, it won't be a good year. Offense I expect to be severely downgraded -- I don't see a Brea type, and there's definitely nobody on Jax level. No real catalyst to whip up the team in a frenzy. I saw another post where bro said Oweh fed off Jax, and I agree 100%. Oweh trying to be the creator is a disaster waiting to happen.

So if defense hasn't improved by a lot, I don't see this as a better team.

Last point -- Amari caught a lot of flak last year, but he was the #1 transfer center, 5 star transfer, etc, etc. Not a coincidence he is hanging around the NBA. Brea is fringe NBA, and has an elite skill. Jax was a good talent, derailed by injuries. This year, there is nothing elite that I see on offense. I think there was more talent last year than we thought, and I think this year the talent is being overrated, probably a combo of blue tinted goggles and self-consolation from missing out on the elite talents (transfers like Dent and YL and obviously freshmen like AJD / DP).

The defense when you had the two starting guards was very much improved in the Purdue game. What really ticks me off is you are ignoring the results against the number one ranked team when you have the two starting guards and saying that this bad loss without them pretty much defines team.

 

[chasingwildcat]

I'm not gonna tell you how to think, but you might wanna consider a fact he recovering from turf toe

I am afraid that turf toe may haunt Oweh for a long time

 

[KYFOSSIL]

From two exhibitions games, Oweh is not SEC POY good

We need Oweh to play better in regular season

I'll say it again he is recovering from turf toe.

Shooting is now problem. We may even not have a large volume 35% 3pt shooter...

I dont believe Lowe will suddenly from 25+% to 35+%, which is not reasonable.

And I don't think others will shoot well, unlesss something huge changes on certain players.

I am afraid that turf toe may haunt Oweh for a long time

I sure hope not. I think there's a lot to be said how the floor is space better with the two other playmaking guards allows him to be much more effective with that being said with them clogging up the middle. He still ended up 17 and seven.

 

[KYFOSSIL]

I'll say it again he is recovering from turf toe.



I sure hope not. I think there's a lot to be said how the floor is space better with the two other playmaking guards allows him to be much more effective with that being said with them clogging up the middle. He still ended up 17 and seven.

Correction only 3 rebounds

 

[20MRoster]

The defense when you had the two starting guards was very much improved in the Purdue game. What really ticks me off is you are ignoring the results against the number one ranked team when you have the two starting guards and saying that this bad loss without them pretty much defines team.

Yes, because the number one ranked team is the type a Coach Pope team can out-execute easily. Unathletic players, passive defensive style. The coach of said #1 ranked has a reputation of early exits and has lost to a 16 seed and a 15 seed in the tournament (yes, we lost to that 15 seed as well, I know).

Beating Purdue but then getting stomped by a team that is athletic and aggressive (and not necessarily "good") is a repeat of last year, and we can't have a repeat of last year.

 

[Kentucky15]

I guess we should just pack it in

I would say when even I think we’re going too far here, this time we might be.

We had way too many excusing John Calipari lowering our bar and absolutely trashing this program, but we might be going too far on pope too early lol.

So far, all he’s done is vastly overachieve with an average team without its guard. We have yet to play a game.

Pope needs to be given more time. We have a chance at a former player to become our modern goat. It might take a tad longer. Give him some room and let him grow into it a little. We obviously can’t wait 5 years, but we haven’t started year 2.

 

[bnewt]

Oweh is a tier below of Lenier, Sears, Clayton, Broome (core player for EE team)

So I kind of understand, if we want to go far, we need Lowe and JQ emerge, or Oweh elevates his game to another level

As of now, no major differences with last season. But it is only two games, see if Oweh improves during season

Yes, a big tier

 

[chasingwildcat]

I would say when even I think we’re going too far here, this time we might be.

We had way too many excusing John Calipari lowering our bar and absolutely trashing this program, but we might be going too far on pope too early lol.

So far, all he’s done is vastly overachieve with an average team without its guard. We have yet to play a game.

Pope needs to be given more time. We have a chance at a former player to become our modern goat. It might take a tad longer. Give him some room and let him grow into it a little. We obviously can’t wait 5 years, but we haven’t started year 2.

Yes, after the end of this season, we will have better clue

 

[kybassfan]

Damn, now our record fell to 0 - 0.

 

[bnewt]

I would argue it's a bit worse than last season. Last season, the defense was generally soft and got handled by athletic teams. Very bad overall. However, the offense had a magic aura about it where there were guys that could get hot from 3 and go stretches just never missing (Jax, Brea). When those guys got hot, the whole team would feed off that energy and you'd see guys like Almonor that were otherwise useless go crazy from 3. The offense would be unstoppable, and in a 4 minute run, would essentially win the game.

This year, the expectation was for the defense to be significantly better against athleticism, and it doesn't look like that will be the case. That's the major disappointment from the G-Town exhibition -- if it's more of the same on defense this year, it won't be a good year. Offense I expect to be severely downgraded -- I don't see a Brea type, and there's definitely nobody on Jax level. No real catalyst to whip up the team in a frenzy. I saw another post where bro said Oweh fed off Jax, and I agree 100%. Oweh trying to be the creator is a disaster waiting to happen.

So if defense hasn't improved by a lot, I don't see this as a better team.

Last point -- Amari caught a lot of flak last year, but he was the #1 transfer center, 5 star transfer, etc, etc. Not a coincidence he is hanging around the NBA. Brea is fringe NBA, and has an elite skill. Jax was a good talent, derailed by injuries. This year, there is nothing elite that I see on offense. I think there was more talent last year than we thought, and I think this year the talent is being overrated, probably a combo of blue tinted goggles and self-consolation from missing out on the elite talents (transfers like Dent and YL and obviously freshmen like AJD / DP).

Good points, especially about Williams
His passing will be greatly missed

 

[bnewt]

Shooting is now problem. We may even not have a large volume 35% 3pt shooter...

I dont believe Lowe will suddenly from 25+% to 35+%, which is not reasonable.

And I don't think others will shoot well, unlesss something huge changes on certain players.

Only way this is a good shooting team is if they get a lot of layups

 

[Catlogic1552]

We’re basically a portal team made up of other teams’ 6th man.
Good but not elite. We’ll have these games.

 

[Eagles_Ball_69]

I created an account solely to comment on how such a moronic thread exists and how 90% of the replies are also insane. No idea if this even shows. But clearly half of these posters have never played basketball if they’re complaining about an EXHIBITION game! They’re not even in the a regular season game yet and people want to dog on this team. With starters being out and it not even mattering, if you really think they’re putting full effort in, you’re lost. Completely dogging on this team because of exhibition game and players laughing/not playing serious is stupid lol. I hope some resurrects this thread from the dead when they’re vying for a 1 seed for the tourney months from now. This is insane. Some of you need checked out

P.S: the guy saying Oweh is okay is completely off his rocker, a troll, or just stupid. SEC POY and the dude is just “okay” from an exhibition game. Lol, my lord.

love, a rando UK fan.
GO BB

So I think that’s me you’re referring to. He’s the PRESEASON POY. I’ll take the field. You take Oweh. Name your price. I’ll take it a step further. I’ll give your 1st team all SEC. I’ll take all the rest. Double or nothing. Again, I think he’s good. He’s not elite. That’s all.

 

[Eagles_Ball_69]

We’re basically a portal team made up of other teams’ 6th man.
Good but not elite. We’ll have these games.

Sounds familiar. I’m okay with that in year one. Not sure I am in year two. I think scheme wise Pope is better than Cal. But we can’t keep getting the best player or second best player from a mid major and thinking he can coach them into something they aren’t. Talent wins out.

 

[Buckwheat Otay Is Dead]

Got outplayed in every aspect statistically! But that isn't the worse thing. Body language....Oweh smiling walking off court after game.... Didn't see a single player entire game get in a teammates face as you are getting embarrassed on your home court by a middle of the pack BE team. Yes it's an exhibition game, but if you have aspirations of a Natty you shouldn't have a performance as a team where act like you don't give crap about winning and you are really never in the game for almost 30 minutes.

Just go away attention seeker. Why or who cares about games that are harmful win or lose.

 

[bigblueinsanity (the real)]

I’d say anyone who averages 17 a game is a great college player. That’s just me though.

Imo depends. Imo oweh is not a star caliber player. He is a really good player in a system that's a perfect fit for him.

Oweh cant consistently create good shots. Pope's system is great at giving him some angles to take advantage of his downhill style. Us basically playing 5 out means usually no help rotating over, so he never has to finish vs a big. Usually.

I love Pope's enthusiasm. I like his offense and approach. However we just need either 1) better talent for 20 mil or 2) a collection of very good role players for way less than 20 mil.

 

[*Fox2Monk*]

Imo depends. Imo oweh is not a star caliber player. He is a really good player in a system that's a perfect fit for him.

Oweh cant consistently create good shots. Pope's system is great at giving him some angles to take advantage of his downhill style. Us basically playing 5 out means usually no help rotating over, so he never has to finish vs a big. Usually.

I love Pope's enthusiasm. I like his offense and approach. However we just need either 1) better talent for 20 mil or 2) a collection of very good role players for way less than 20 mil.

If he wasn’t that caliber player he wouldn’t be getting so many pre season accolades. The media and coaches must think he’s pretty good. I don’t think he will be a pro, but he’s still a pretty damn good college player.

I am so happy we have him and I would take someone just like him every year. He plays hard every night and has a great attitude and appreciation for our jersey.

 

[UKWildcats1987]

I thought Cal was gone, but this embarrassing performance makes me think otherwise.

Cal went to 4 final fours his first 6 seasons and won a title n year 3. I think 2015 choke and 2017 ref cheating job broke him. His last 4 years were dog crap for sure but at some point we have to compare Popes first 6 years (if he makes it 6) to Cals instead of simply comparing it to last 4 to make fans feel better.

I'm not posting thus to your post per say but thus board has enjoyed comparing Popes performance so far based on Cals worst stretch. I think at UK we should compare the new coach to the prior coaches best eras.

 

[Kentucky15]

Damn, now our record fell to 0 - 0.

Don’t forget the record non season low 3p% during the blue white scrimmage. That’s worse than that 0-0 record to me.

 

[kybassfan]

Don’t forget the record non season low 3p% during the blue white scrimmage. That’s worse than that 0-0 record to me.

Yes. How many times have we lost that BW game? I think we lost that even when we had NC teams.

 

[WallMash]

what I disliked is the inability of Pope to "right" the ship when it's sinking and turning over. That game reminded me of so many games last year. He needs to study that speech Pitino scorched his team with and challenged their manhood when they were down at half time and won the game. We were outplayed at EVERY position thursday, you need to look them in the eye and say, grow a pair, stopping letting your man show you up.

 

[Runt#1969]

I think on Tuesday we will find out a lot. This team should come out with a ton of energy, flying around and making plays. If you can't get that energy up for opening night and take that talent to a lesser opponent and handily beat them, then we are in trouble.

this...

but I do think they can tuck this away and remind themselves that they arent so good just stepping on the floor to beat anyone out there. We're kentucky. We have ALWAYS had the bullseye on us.

Buck up, gonna be a tough road !

 

[CRZ4UK]

I will be glad to be wrong but I said exactly what another poster said about our roster. We filled our team with the 6th man on most teams. We took a point guard who regressed dramatically from his last season. I know JQ has all the potential in the world but we paid huge money for an ACL injured guy who averaged 7 points a game and won’t play half a season. Please, prove me wrong CMP.

 

[Jtf2217]

Not too hard to see we got up for Purdue. Not hard to do with #1 coming in.
Georgetown was "boring" comparatively speaking and we tried to sleepwalk through the game. The best thing that could've happened was that punch in the mouth imo. Come out the gates hungry and locked in.

 

[WallMash]

Sorry OP, my bad, just couldn't control the PTSD from getting r_ped and assaulted last year by aggressive, physical teams. And I was drunk on the koolaid that this team wouldn't post ten plus losses.

 

[*Fox2Monk*]

what I disliked is the inability of Pope to "right" the ship when it's sinking and turning over. That game reminded me of so many games last year. He needs to study that speech Pitino scorched his team with and challenged their manhood when they were down at half time and won the game. We were outplayed at EVERY position thursday, you need to look them in the eye and say, grow a pair, stopping letting your man show you up.

Pope showed a few times last year he could right the ship after bad first halves, but I think overall you are correct in that when they come out flat, they get beat handily.

 

[bigblueinsanity (the real)]

If he wasn’t that caliber player he wouldn’t be getting so many pre season accolades. The media and coaches must think he’s pretty good. I don’t think he will be a pro, but he’s still a pretty damn good college player.

I am so happy we have him and I would take someone just like him every year. He plays hard every night and has a great attitude and appreciation for our jersey.

Hes that kind of player in this system. Put him in another system and he would drop significantly. He cant consistently shoot. He cant handle well. He cant create his own. This system is literally perfect for him because it gives him the angles for the straight line drives where he excels.

Id actually argue he's playing the wrong sport.

 

[Eagles_Ball_69]

If he wasn’t that caliber player he wouldn’t be getting so many pre season accolades. The media and coaches must think he’s pretty good. I don’t think he will be a pro, but he’s still a pretty damn good college player.

I am so happy we have him and I would take someone just like him every year. He plays hard every night and has a great attitude and appreciation for our jersey.

I'm not sure anyone disagrees with what you're saying. He just can't be the best player on a championship level team.

 

[megablue]

Imo depends. Imo oweh is not a star caliber player. He is a really good player in a system that's a perfect fit for him.

Oweh cant consistently create good shots. Pope's system is great at giving him some angles to take advantage of his downhill style. Us basically playing 5 out means usually no help rotating over, so he never has to finish vs a big. Usually.

I love Pope's enthusiasm. I like his offense and approach. However we just need either 1) better talent for 20 mil or 2) a collection of very good role players for way less than 20 mil.

A key will be Oweh and how the pre-season accolades transition into game play. I hope he doesn't try to do too much and become too much of a focus of our offense in his own mind. His shots per minute of playing time will be a good barometer of his overall blend into a team offensive flow. It will be interesting to watch it unfold. And ... the same holds true for Jasper Johnson. Both are volume shooters, it seems to me.

As a reference, Oweh took 415 shots in 1,020 minutes last season = .407 shots per minute. He averaged 11.5 shots per game, while averaging 28.3 minutes per game. I think he will have a very good year. I just hope he lets the game come to him within the flow of the offense. We'll see ...

Lastly, as another reference, Dillingham took 362 shots in 745 minutes of action = .486 shots per minute. Dilly was not bashful about shooting it.

 

[rivercatinfl]

Shooting is now problem. We may even not have a large volume 35% 3pt shooter...

I dont believe Lowe will suddenly from 25+% to 35+%, which is not reasonable.

And I don't think others will shoot well, unlesss something huge changes on certain players.

Unfortunately I think you are correct. Noah is a set shooter and just surfs on the outside, Chandler is spotty. Kam was supposed to fill that role and he's been off. Johnson is very streaky and shoots tough shots.
Gonna be interesting.

 

[Jaime Chitwood]

Unfortunately I think you are correct. Noah is a set shooter and just surfs on the outside, Chandler is spotty. Kam was supposed to fill that role and he's been off. Johnson is very streaky and shoots tough shots.
Gonna be interesting.

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