Has the NCAA cleared Masoli?
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It does not apply to practice; only appearing in a game. Lots of transfers spend the year out practicing on the scout team. Needless to say, in this situation, he would not be at OM if he did not expect to play , it is his last year of eligibility-- I just wanted to clear up the practice issue.
Does anyone think the NCAA is NOT going to accept the graduate exception to the rule?
Does anyone think the NCAA is NOT going to accept the graduate exception to the rule?
Ole Miss is world famous for their <span style="text-decoration: line-through;">Parks and</span> Recreation program.
Just kiddin' with ya M.S.G.
Just kiddin' with ya M.S.G.
The ESPN guys on College Football Live("The Smartest Guy in the Room" segment)said that the SEC or NCAA should step in andback the Oregon coach's original punishmentof keeping Masoli from playing in 2010 but let himplay in 2011.
There are also articles appearing that are telling the NCAA to not approve Masoli's waiver.
There are also articles appearing that are telling the NCAA to not approve Masoli's waiver.
But I think that was just due to the time it took the NCAA to rule on his case, not that they suspended him for any games. He transferred under a similar but slightly different rule. Tulane dropped his major after Katrina, so he was able to transfer somewhere else that offered that major immediatley.
If they want to close that loophole, they need to come up with a new rule.
Keep your fingers crossed though Med.
Keep your fingers crossed though Med.
like all the other thugs that get kicked out of one school and transfer to another. But, I don't think there's much the NCAA would (or should) do to stop it. As Bruiser says, their rules allow him to transfer without sitting out a year. They've never gotten involved in a player's moral or legal status before, and I doubt they want to set that precedent now. And they shouldn't. If they do, then you start down that slippery slope of when should a player be suspended for off-field actions and that's a big can of worms that's best left to the individual schools and conferences to deal with. If anybody was going to stop this, it would be Slive. And if he was going to, I think he already would have.
I think most college football fans (including Ole Miss fans before they were the beneficiary of this transaction) would agree that if a football player is kicked off of one team, there should be no feasible way for him to transfer to another DI FBS school and not sit out a year in the process, regardless of graduate status. It's a situation that, in my opinion, the vast majority would not support.
I'm not trying to take a holier than thou position either. I would support taking the guy while rules allow. I might feel a little bad about it for a minute, but I'd quickly forget after a couple of wins. This is major college football we are talking about, right? It's dirty. Criminals are student athletes sometimes. I've already accepted that fact, so I could get comfortable with taking a Masoli, too. You have to take advantage of what is available to you when you can, or get comfortable with having others establish themselves as top programs over you. Ole Miss lucked out being in this position. It was just a matter of weighing the potential returns against the PR hit. The guy is a talent. He could be the difference between the Liberty Bowl and Cotton Bowl.
I seriously doubt there is any way the NCAA could slide a rule in for this now and prevent Masoli from playing. Plus, think about the backlash from sliding in a rule that would essentially single out a minority. I wouldn't touch that with a 10 foot pole. But, I wouldn't be surprised in the least if there was a rule preventing this situation in the near future. It shouldn't be much trouble. They can just add a Section II to the existing Houston Nutt Rule.
I'm not trying to take a holier than thou position either. I would support taking the guy while rules allow. I might feel a little bad about it for a minute, but I'd quickly forget after a couple of wins. This is major college football we are talking about, right? It's dirty. Criminals are student athletes sometimes. I've already accepted that fact, so I could get comfortable with taking a Masoli, too. You have to take advantage of what is available to you when you can, or get comfortable with having others establish themselves as top programs over you. Ole Miss lucked out being in this position. It was just a matter of weighing the potential returns against the PR hit. The guy is a talent. He could be the difference between the Liberty Bowl and Cotton Bowl.
I seriously doubt there is any way the NCAA could slide a rule in for this now and prevent Masoli from playing. Plus, think about the backlash from sliding in a rule that would essentially single out a minority. I wouldn't touch that with a 10 foot pole. But, I wouldn't be surprised in the least if there was a rule preventing this situation in the near future. It shouldn't be much trouble. They can just add a Section II to the existing Houston Nutt Rule.
and I know it's not, but bear with me, they'll make you sit out a year but give you an extra year of eligibility.
The idea behind the graduate transfer rule is that a lot of players redshirt, which means that they can graduate in 4 years and still have one year of eligibility left after graduation. The rule allows you to transfer and use that year of eligibility immediately if you are pursuing graduate work in something your school doesn't offer.
The idea behind it is good, because if you really are a student just after an education and you want to do something in grad school that your school doesn't offer, without the rule you'd either have to forfeit your last year of eligibility or choose to wait a year before grad school, or just not go at all. However, the rule ends up being used for players just looking to transfer, like the guy that left Utah with Urban Meyer to go to Florida.
If they want to close the loophole and make it about the education, then give the guy an extra year of eligibility and force them to still sit out the first year. That way, they get two years of grad school paid for, which is how long most grad school programs take anyway, but it still allows a player to use that final year of eligibility after sitting out as a transfer.
I don't know that you'll see that happen, but that's the answer. Masoli's situation is unusual because he was kicked off his other team and was eligible for the grad school transfer rule. That type of situation is not likely to come up very often, if ever. I do agree that the NCAA should likely avoid trying to legislate discipline choices for schools/players. That's a Pandora's Box they don't need to open.
The idea behind the graduate transfer rule is that a lot of players redshirt, which means that they can graduate in 4 years and still have one year of eligibility left after graduation. The rule allows you to transfer and use that year of eligibility immediately if you are pursuing graduate work in something your school doesn't offer.
The idea behind it is good, because if you really are a student just after an education and you want to do something in grad school that your school doesn't offer, without the rule you'd either have to forfeit your last year of eligibility or choose to wait a year before grad school, or just not go at all. However, the rule ends up being used for players just looking to transfer, like the guy that left Utah with Urban Meyer to go to Florida.
If they want to close the loophole and make it about the education, then give the guy an extra year of eligibility and force them to still sit out the first year. That way, they get two years of grad school paid for, which is how long most grad school programs take anyway, but it still allows a player to use that final year of eligibility after sitting out as a transfer.
I don't know that you'll see that happen, but that's the answer. Masoli's situation is unusual because he was kicked off his other team and was eligible for the grad school transfer rule. That type of situation is not likely to come up very often, if ever. I do agree that the NCAA should likely avoid trying to legislate discipline choices for schools/players. That's a Pandora's Box they don't need to open.
It sounds good to say that a player can transfer immediately if his current school doesn't offer the graduate program he wants. But in practice, it seems to be pretty easy to come up with some ******** program that another school has that his current school doesn't. In Masoli's case, he's obviously not there because he was bound and determined that he wanted to get a parks & recreation masters degree. He's in that program because that's the one that allows him to fit through the loophole. I don't blame y'all for exploiting the loophole, but it's one that shouldn't be there. I like your solution. He has to sit out a year, but gets a 6th year to play his 4.
but I don't think you'll see that rule change unless it gets abused too often. As of right now, there aren't a ton of players graduating in 4 years and transferring for grad school to finish up their final year. You don't hear about it that often, so I don't think it's a major concern for the NCAA.
I've seen the same thing happen in public high schools though. You'll see guys show an interest in a program their school doesn't have so they can request a transfer to a school that has the program and coincidentally has a better program in their sport of interest.
As long as there are rules, there will always be loopholes, and as long as sports are so important to our society, coaches and athletes will find and abuse loopholes. I really think Masoli's situation is unique though, and it's unlikely you'll find a player who graduated and was kicked off his team in the same year.
I've seen the same thing happen in public high schools though. You'll see guys show an interest in a program their school doesn't have so they can request a transfer to a school that has the program and coincidentally has a better program in their sport of interest.
As long as there are rules, there will always be loopholes, and as long as sports are so important to our society, coaches and athletes will find and abuse loopholes. I really think Masoli's situation is unique though, and it's unlikely you'll find a player who graduated and was kicked off his team in the same year.