Has WWIII begun?

[dorndawg]

Because I was curious and I read an article a while back about either us disabling most of what was left behind, or it being effectively useless without our parts/maintenance ongoing...Co-pilot say:

Short answer: No — the U.S. did not leave $80 billion worth of military equipment behind in Afghanistan.
That figure is widely repeated but misleading.
Here’s the clear breakdown, based on official reports and fact‑checks:

---

Where the $80+ billion number comes from (and why it’s wrong)​

• The U.S. spent about $83–88 billion over 20 years to train, pay, equip, and support Afghan security forces.
• That total included salaries, fuel, food, training, facilities, logistics, and maintenance, not just weapons and vehicles.
• Many public figures and social media posts incorrectly treated this total spending as if it were all equipment left behind. [snopes.com], [independent.co.uk], [yahoo.com]

---

What was actually left behind​

According to Pentagon, SIGAR, and congressional reports:

• About $7.1 billion worth of U.S.-funded military equipment remained in Afghanistan when the Afghan government collapsed in August 2021. [voanews.com], [edition.cnn.com]
• This equipment belonged to the Afghan government, not to U.S. forces.
• Nearly all U.S.-owned equipment used by American troops was removed or destroyed before withdrawal. [voanews.com]

---

What that $7.1 billion included​

Pentagon and SIGAR reports list items such as:

• Aircraft (helicopters and light attack/transport planes)
• Ground vehicles (Humvees, MRAPs, armored trucks)
• Small arms and ammunition
• Night‑vision devices and communications gear

However:

• Much of it required U.S. contractor maintenance and quickly became inoperable. [edition.cnn.com]
• Some aircraft were disabled, lacked spare parts, or were flown out by fleeing Afghan pilots.

---

Why the misunderstanding persists​

1. The $80B figure sounds dramatic and is easy to misuse.
2. Early images of Taliban fighters with U.S. gear created the impression that everything was captured.
3. Political rhetoric often conflated total spending with leftover equipment, despite official corrections. [checkyourfact.com]

---

Bottom line​

• $80 billion left behind? No.
• ~$7 billion in Afghan‑government equipment remained, much of it unusable over time.
• The larger $80+ billion figure reflects 20 years of total security assistance, not abandoned weapons.

You mean it's a big beautiful combo of outright lies, half-truths, and bad-faith arguments? Weird, don't come across that very much from them.**********

 

[jethreauxdawg]

I am going to just post an observation that is not intended to be political. It is entirely an observation based on confusion.

I dont understand how all the below can be true since there seem to be contradictions.

- While the US was in Afghanistan for like 2 decades, the US and global allies constantly complained about how Pakistan was providing support to the Afghan Taliban and even protecting them inside Pakistan.
- Pakistan Taliban and Afghan Taliban are different groups, but they are closely aligned and share ideology as well as ties.
- This war is happening, in part, because Pakistan accused the Afghan Taliban of harboring Pakistan Taliban rebels.
- Pakistan Taliban is trying to overthrow the Pakistani government.



So Pakistan provided aid and safe shelter to Afghan Taliban for years and years, Afghan Taliban and Pakistan Taliban have ties and commonalities, Pakistan Taliban is trying to overthrow Pakistan government, and Pakistan is pissed at Afghan Taliban for protecting Pakistan Taliban.

What the total 17?!

It seems like Pakistan is pissed at Afghan Taliban for doing what Pakistan did for years- providing aid and safe shelter to an enemy...which was the Afghan Taliban!

It’s almost like this group of people like to fight. I wish there had been some book to tell us this was gonna happen.

 

[Wesson Bulldog]

Somehow or another NIL will factor into this, and Lane Kiffin will be involved.

 

[horshack.sixpack]

You mean it's a big beautiful combo of outright lies, half-truths, and bad-faith arguments? Weird, don't come across that very much from them.**********

To be fair, the Pentagon reporting is a source that refutes the $80B claim, but yes, the media, shockingly, is into outrage culture = clicks, and we are quick to lap it up with little discernement.

 

[horshack.sixpack]

I feel much better now

$7B seems significant, still, however, when you consider $500 Pentagon hammers, I'm not sure how much stuff that is...

 

[dorndawg]

It’s almost like this group of people like to fight. I wish there had been some book to tell us this was gonna happen.

The Christians always improve things when we show up to straighten them out, too.*

 

[jethreauxdawg]

The Christians always improve things when we show up to straighten them out, too.*

You are welcome to compare predominantly Christian countries to predominantly Muslim countries. Should be a great exercise.

 

[grinningmule]

To be fair, the Pentagon reporting is a source that refutes the $80B claim, but yes, the media, shockingly, is into outrage culture = clicks, and we are quick to lap it up with little discernement.

I've never seen anything other than 7 billion..80 billion was probably in Facebook posts that started with Breaking! or Bombshell!!

 

[Boosh]

Because I was curious and I read an article a while back about either us disabling most of what was left behind, or it being effectively useless without our parts/maintenance ongoing...Co-pilot say:

Short answer: No — the U.S. did not leave $80 billion worth of military equipment behind in Afghanistan.
That figure is widely repeated but misleading.
Here’s the clear breakdown, based on official reports and fact‑checks:

---

Where the $80+ billion number comes from (and why it’s wrong)​

• The U.S. spent about $83–88 billion over 20 years to train, pay, equip, and support Afghan security forces.
• That total included salaries, fuel, food, training, facilities, logistics, and maintenance, not just weapons and vehicles.
• Many public figures and social media posts incorrectly treated this total spending as if it were all equipment left behind. [snopes.com], [independent.co.uk], [yahoo.com]

---

What was actually left behind​

According to Pentagon, SIGAR, and congressional reports:

• About $7.1 billion worth of U.S.-funded military equipment remained in Afghanistan when the Afghan government collapsed in August 2021. [voanews.com], [edition.cnn.com]
• This equipment belonged to the Afghan government, not to U.S. forces.
• Nearly all U.S.-owned equipment used by American troops was removed or destroyed before withdrawal. [voanews.com]

---

What that $7.1 billion included​

Pentagon and SIGAR reports list items such as:

• Aircraft (helicopters and light attack/transport planes)
• Ground vehicles (Humvees, MRAPs, armored trucks)
• Small arms and ammunition
• Night‑vision devices and communications gear

However:

• Much of it required U.S. contractor maintenance and quickly became inoperable. [edition.cnn.com]
• Some aircraft were disabled, lacked spare parts, or were flown out by fleeing Afghan pilots.

---

Why the misunderstanding persists​

1. The $80B figure sounds dramatic and is easy to misuse.
2. Early images of Taliban fighters with U.S. gear created the impression that everything was captured.
3. Political rhetoric often conflated total spending with leftover equipment, despite official corrections. [checkyourfact.com]

---

Bottom line​

• $80 billion left behind? No.
• ~$7 billion in Afghan‑government equipment remained, much of it unusable over time.
• The larger $80+ billion figure reflects 20 years of total security assistance, not abandoned weapons.

Unfortunately, I am confident that you believe that crap. Okay, let's say it's ONLY $7B. And somehow, the Afghan government either 1) made that equipment? or paid us for it? Neither of which are true, so it was not Afghan equipment. And it was not mostly unusable. If you had ever gone over there, you'd know that. I surmise the truth is we analyzed the costs of transporting all of it back or to anywhere else and said no way. But that decision only came about because someone made no organized plan to leave, which should not have been done in a hurried half a$$ method that cost American lives.

 

[grinningmule]

$7B seems significant, still, however, when you consider $500 Pentagon hammers, I'm not sure how much stuff that is...

I've been working for the military for over 20 years. 7 billion is probably 3.5 billion in actual value which is still obscene. If the govt buys it they usually pay twice the actual value.

 

[dorndawg]

You are welcome to compare predominantly Christian countries to predominantly Muslim countries. Should be a great exercise.

I was more talking about Christian/Western incursions into the middle east. You'd agree those generally haven't gone so splendid?

If you don't - it's 75, sunny out and I'm not going to debate it.

 

[Dawgfan61]

I am going to just post an observation that is not intended to be political. It is entirely an observation based on confusion.

I dont understand how all the below can be true since there seem to be contradictions.

- While the US was in Afghanistan for like 2 decades, the US and global allies constantly complained about how Pakistan was providing support to the Afghan Taliban and even protecting them inside Pakistan.
- Pakistan Taliban and Afghan Taliban are different groups, but they are closely aligned and share ideology as well as ties.
- This war is happening, in part, because Pakistan accused the Afghan Taliban of harboring Pakistan Taliban rebels.
- Pakistan Taliban is trying to overthrow the Pakistani government.



So Pakistan provided aid and safe shelter to Afghan Taliban for years and years, Afghan Taliban and Pakistan Taliban have ties and commonalities, Pakistan Taliban is trying to overthrow Pakistan government, and Pakistan is pissed at Afghan Taliban for protecting Pakistan Taliban.

What the total 17?!

It seems like Pakistan is pissed at Afghan Taliban for doing what Pakistan did for years- providing aid and safe shelter to an enemy...which was the Afghan Taliban!

I'll be damned something, I actually agree with you on. I would also add since we are not in Afghanistan, 17 it let Pakistan wipe out the Afghan taliban and if they don't 17 it.

 

[OopsICroomedmypants]

Because I was curious and I read an article a while back about either us disabling most of what was left behind, or it being effectively useless without our parts/maintenance ongoing...Co-pilot say:

Short answer: No — the U.S. did not leave $80 billion worth of military equipment behind in Afghanistan.
That figure is widely repeated but misleading.
Here’s the clear breakdown, based on official reports and fact‑checks:

---

Where the $80+ billion number comes from (and why it’s wrong)​

• The U.S. spent about $83–88 billion over 20 years to train, pay, equip, and support Afghan security forces.
• That total included salaries, fuel, food, training, facilities, logistics, and maintenance, not just weapons and vehicles.
• Many public figures and social media posts incorrectly treated this total spending as if it were all equipment left behind. [snopes.com], [independent.co.uk], [yahoo.com]

---

What was actually left behind​

According to Pentagon, SIGAR, and congressional reports:

• About $7.1 billion worth of U.S.-funded military equipment remained in Afghanistan when the Afghan government collapsed in August 2021. [voanews.com], [edition.cnn.com]
• This equipment belonged to the Afghan government, not to U.S. forces.
• Nearly all U.S.-owned equipment used by American troops was removed or destroyed before withdrawal. [voanews.com]

---

What that $7.1 billion included​

Pentagon and SIGAR reports list items such as:

• Aircraft (helicopters and light attack/transport planes)
• Ground vehicles (Humvees, MRAPs, armored trucks)
• Small arms and ammunition
• Night‑vision devices and communications gear

However:

• Much of it required U.S. contractor maintenance and quickly became inoperable. [edition.cnn.com]
• Some aircraft were disabled, lacked spare parts, or were flown out by fleeing Afghan pilots.

---

Why the misunderstanding persists​

1. The $80B figure sounds dramatic and is easy to misuse.
2. Early images of Taliban fighters with U.S. gear created the impression that everything was captured.
3. Political rhetoric often conflated total spending with leftover equipment, despite official corrections. [checkyourfact.com]

---

Bottom line​

• $80 billion left behind? No.
• ~$7 billion in Afghan‑government equipment remained, much of it unusable over time.
• The larger $80+ billion figure reflects 20 years of total security assistance, not abandoned weapons.

I've listened to special forces troops talking about how their interpreters and others (many were Christians) that had aided the US troops were left behind, had no more protection from US troops, and were killed because we couldn't simply load them up on the plane when we pulled out. War sucks and it's not fun watching a tough guy get emotional, but we did those guys dirty.

 

[85Bears]

I was more talking about Christian/Western incursions into the middle east. You'd agree those generally haven't gone so splendid?

If you don't - it's 75, sunny out and I'm not going to debate it.

 

[horshack.sixpack]

I've listened to special forces troops talking about how their interpreters and others (many were Christians) that had aided the US troops were left behind, had no more protection from US troops, and were killed because we couldn't simply load them up on the plane when we pulled out. War sucks and it's not fun watching a tough guy get emotional, but we did those guys dirty.

We've lost an continue to lose trust and credibility in the world. I can't think of a more appropriate way to summarize what happened to those advisors that Co-Pilot of course...

Bottom Line​

Afghan advisors did not fail the U.S.
The U.S. system failed them.
They are stranded because:

• Evacuation happened too late
• The visa system collapsed under predictable strain
• Embassy closure cut off processing
• Policy freezes blocked movement
• Congress failed to act decisively afterward

 

[Jacknut]

I was more talking about Christian/Western incursions into the middle east. You'd agree those generally haven't gone so splendid?

If you don't - it's 75, sunny out and I'm not going to debate it.

 

[Jacknut]

I deleted my text above, but I saw this on X and thought it was funny.

 

[DoggieDaddy13]

Because I was curious and I read an article a while back about either us disabling most of what was left behind, or it being effectively useless without our parts/maintenance ongoing...Co-pilot say:

Short answer: No — the U.S. did not leave $80 billion worth of military equipment behind in Afghanistan.
That figure is widely repeated but misleading.
Here’s the clear breakdown, based on official reports and fact‑checks:

---

Where the $80+ billion number comes from (and why it’s wrong)​

• The U.S. spent about $83–88 billion over 20 years to train, pay, equip, and support Afghan security forces.
• That total included salaries, fuel, food, training, facilities, logistics, and maintenance, not just weapons and vehicles.
• Many public figures and social media posts incorrectly treated this total spending as if it were all equipment left behind. [snopes.com], [independent.co.uk], [yahoo.com]

---

What was actually left behind​

According to Pentagon, SIGAR, and congressional reports:

• About $7.1 billion worth of U.S.-funded military equipment remained in Afghanistan when the Afghan government collapsed in August 2021. [voanews.com], [edition.cnn.com]
• This equipment belonged to the Afghan government, not to U.S. forces.
• Nearly all U.S.-owned equipment used by American troops was removed or destroyed before withdrawal. [voanews.com]

---

What that $7.1 billion included​

Pentagon and SIGAR reports list items such as:

• Aircraft (helicopters and light attack/transport planes)
• Ground vehicles (Humvees, MRAPs, armored trucks)
• Small arms and ammunition
• Night‑vision devices and communications gear

However:

• Much of it required U.S. contractor maintenance and quickly became inoperable. [edition.cnn.com]
• Some aircraft were disabled, lacked spare parts, or were flown out by fleeing Afghan pilots.

---

Why the misunderstanding persists​

1. The $80B figure sounds dramatic and is easy to misuse.
2. Early images of Taliban fighters with U.S. gear created the impression that everything was captured.
3. Political rhetoric often conflated total spending with leftover equipment, despite official corrections. [checkyourfact.com]

---

Bottom line​

• $80 billion left behind? No.
• ~$7 billion in Afghan‑government equipment remained, much of it unusable over time.
• The larger $80+ billion figure reflects 20 years of total security assistance, not abandoned weapons.

Why do you hate America?

There you go again with the facts.

Will you never learn?!!? That 17nsh it don't play here!

 

[DerHntr]

I am going to just post an observation that is not intended to be political. It is entirely an observation based on confusion.

I dont understand how all the below can be true since there seem to be contradictions.

- While the US was in Afghanistan for like 2 decades, the US and global allies constantly complained about how Pakistan was providing support to the Afghan Taliban and even protecting them inside Pakistan.
- Pakistan Taliban and Afghan Taliban are different groups, but they are closely aligned and share ideology as well as ties.
- This war is happening, in part, because Pakistan accused the Afghan Taliban of harboring Pakistan Taliban rebels.
- Pakistan Taliban is trying to overthrow the Pakistani government.



So Pakistan provided aid and safe shelter to Afghan Taliban for years and years, Afghan Taliban and Pakistan Taliban have ties and commonalities, Pakistan Taliban is trying to overthrow Pakistan government, and Pakistan is pissed at Afghan Taliban for protecting Pakistan Taliban.

What the total 17?!

It seems like Pakistan is pissed at Afghan Taliban for doing what Pakistan did for years- providing aid and safe shelter to an enemy...which was the Afghan Taliban!

If anyone says they’ve got the Middle East figured out, stop listening to them. There is no rhyme or reason to that region. I’m with you, it’s confusing as hell. I just hope it doesn’t pull in our military resources, or any other resources, to try to fix this one situation in a sea of shittyy situations there.

 

[PBRME]

I still think Janet was hotter than Chrissie.

 

[johnson86-1]

We've lost an continue to lose trust and credibility in the world. I can't think of a more appropriate way to summarize what happened to those advisors that Co-Pilot of course...

Bottom Line​

Afghan advisors did not fail the U.S.
The U.S. system failed them.
They are stranded because:

• Evacuation happened too late
• The visa system collapsed under predictable strain
• Embassy closure cut off processing
• Policy freezes blocked movement
• Congress failed to act decisively afterward

I wouldn't say the US System failed them. We had an evacuation date set by politics, not operational concerns. Then we managed the withdrawal worse than if we had just hired a middle manager at FedEx to do it. In Biden's defense, I suspect the problem with upper level brass thinking they knew better than the president probably didn't start with Trump, and to the extent they were trying to ring the alarm bells, they didn't have credibility b/c they had already tried to slow walk prior withdrawals. But that's not even an educated guess, just a guess.

 

[She Mate Me]

Shirley you could have used fewer words to convey your thoughts.

No, no he couldn't have.

He could have definitely used more words though.

 

[DesotoCountyDawg]

If anyone says they’ve got the Middle East figured out, stop listening to them. There is no rhyme or reason to that region. I’m with you, it’s confusing as hell. I just hope it doesn’t pull in our military resources, or any other resources, to try to fix this one situation in a sea of shittyy situations there.

The Middle East is an impossible endeavor because their culture is still based on tribalism. You try to incorporate western democracy it’s going to in most cases end in disaster. Thats why so many countries in that region are ruled with an iron fist by the strongest person or group or by the rich and powerful royalty like the Saudis and UAE.

 

[HotMop]

And Iran has been a couple of months away from a nuclear bomb since the 90s.

Since the 70's.

 

[Leeshouldveflanked]

Pakistan vs Afghanistan? Is that like auburn vs bama? Who are we supposed to pull for

Neither could beat Vandy

 

[horshack.sixpack]

I wouldn't say the US System failed them. We had an evacuation date set by politics, not operational concerns. Then we managed the withdrawal worse than if we had just hired a middle manager at FedEx to do it. In Biden's defense, I suspect the problem with upper level brass thinking they knew better than the president probably didn't start with Trump, and to the extent they were trying to ring the alarm bells, they didn't have credibility b/c they had already tried to slow walk prior withdrawals. But that's not even an educated guess, just a guess.

Plan was bad. At a minimum Biden didn’t fix it. Maybe he had bad intel.

 

[FormerBully]

This is called playing for the love of the game.

 

[BTCMoonBoy]

Considering the financial disasters most first world governments have created on their own balance sheets in the last few decades, war seems like the only way to effectively divert attention and blame away from their incompetence and greed.

You’re either incompetent or corrupt with these levels of of failures

 

[o_Hot Rock]

A paragraph must be too much for their feeble brains.

 

[o_Hot Rock]

Because I was curious and I read an article a while back about either us disabling most of what was left behind, or it being effectively useless without our parts/maintenance ongoing...Co-pilot say:

Short answer: No — the U.S. did not leave $80 billion worth of military equipment behind in Afghanistan.
That figure is widely repeated but misleading.
Here’s the clear breakdown, based on official reports and fact‑checks:

---

Where the $80+ billion number comes from (and why it’s wrong)​

• The U.S. spent about $83–88 billion over 20 years to train, pay, equip, and support Afghan security forces.
• That total included salaries, fuel, food, training, facilities, logistics, and maintenance, not just weapons and vehicles.
• Many public figures and social media posts incorrectly treated this total spending as if it were all equipment left behind. [snopes.com], [independent.co.uk], [yahoo.com]

---

What was actually left behind​

According to Pentagon, SIGAR, and congressional reports:

• About $7.1 billion worth of U.S.-funded military equipment remained in Afghanistan when the Afghan government collapsed in August 2021. [voanews.com], [edition.cnn.com]
• This equipment belonged to the Afghan government, not to U.S. forces.
• Nearly all U.S.-owned equipment used by American troops was removed or destroyed before withdrawal. [voanews.com]

---

What that $7.1 billion included​

Pentagon and SIGAR reports list items such as:

• Aircraft (helicopters and light attack/transport planes)
• Ground vehicles (Humvees, MRAPs, armored trucks)
• Small arms and ammunition
• Night‑vision devices and communications gear

However:

• Much of it required U.S. contractor maintenance and quickly became inoperable. [edition.cnn.com]
• Some aircraft were disabled, lacked spare parts, or were flown out by fleeing Afghan pilots.

---

Why the misunderstanding persists​

1. The $80B figure sounds dramatic and is easy to misuse.
2. Early images of Taliban fighters with U.S. gear created the impression that everything was captured.
3. Political rhetoric often conflated total spending with leftover equipment, despite official corrections. [checkyourfact.com]

---

Bottom line​

• $80 billion left behind? No.
• ~$7 billion in Afghan‑government equipment remained, much of it unusable over time.
• The larger $80+ billion figure reflects 20 years of total security assistance, not abandoned weapons.

Imagine someone actually reading …. Wait, they can’t handle a paragraph. Imagine them trying to start to read that.

 

[johnson86-1]

The Middle East is an impossible endeavor because their culture is still based on tribalism. You try to incorporate western democracy it’s going to in most cases end in disaster. Thats why so many countries in that region are ruled with an iron fist by the strongest person or group or by the rich and powerful royalty like the Saudis and UAE.

Yup. The ability to handle democracy is very much the exception, not the rule. Hell, it’s not even clear we can handle it long term. I don’t know that the dumbass contingency will ever vote or overthrow ourselves into a dictatorship like some places have done, but we have voted to spend our way up to the edge of either a sovereign debt crisis or hyperinflation. We could choose to stop spending at any time I guess, but I don’t see any signs that we will.

 

[Uncle Ruckus]

I am going to just post an observation that is not intended to be political. It is entirely an observation based on confusion.

I dont understand how all the below can be true since there seem to be contradictions.

- While the US was in Afghanistan for like 2 decades, the US and global allies constantly complained about how Pakistan was providing support to the Afghan Taliban and even protecting them inside Pakistan.
- Pakistan Taliban and Afghan Taliban are different groups, but they are closely aligned and share ideology as well as ties.
- This war is happening, in part, because Pakistan accused the Afghan Taliban of harboring Pakistan Taliban rebels.
- Pakistan Taliban is trying to overthrow the Pakistani government.



So Pakistan provided aid and safe shelter to Afghan Taliban for years and years, Afghan Taliban and Pakistan Taliban have ties and commonalities, Pakistan Taliban is trying to overthrow Pakistan government, and Pakistan is pissed at Afghan Taliban for protecting Pakistan Taliban.

What the total 17?!

It seems like Pakistan is pissed at Afghan Taliban for doing what Pakistan did for years- providing aid and safe shelter to an enemy...which was the Afghan Taliban!

 

[Uncle Ruckus]

Is it coincidence that I’ve been through the first page and the two biggest, obnoxious posts come from the two biggest, obnoxious AOC supporters?

 

[Uncle Ruckus]

nm

 

[dog12]

Any time I hear mention of Pakistan, I think of the young lady that worked the front desk of my daughter's daycare (back when my daughter was a toddler, around 2009-2011). The woman who owned the daycare was Pakistani, and the front desk worker was her daughter. At that time, her daughter was a student at George Mason University, so she was around 20-22 years old. Jet-black hair, olive skin, and she was drop-dead gorgeous. She was always happy . . . all smiley-faced and supremely confident. Finally . . . how can I tactfully say this . . . I will simply say . . . she had a nice body, and she knew it . . . based upon the clothes she typically wore when the weather was warm enough. Sorry fellas, but I'm rooting for Pakistan.

 

[Duggar Hall Desk]

Unfortunately, I am confident that you believe that crap. Okay, let's say it's ONLY $7B. And somehow, the Afghan government either 1) made that equipment? or paid us for it? Neither of which are true, so it was not Afghan equipment. And it was not mostly unusable. If you had ever gone over there, you'd know that. I surmise the truth is we analyzed the costs of transporting all of it back or to anywhere else and said no way. But that decision only came about because someone made no organized plan to leave, which should not have been done in a hurried half a$$ method that cost American lives.

Therein lies the rub. 45th Pres Administration made the plan, and 46th Administration had to carry it out. I blame both for their respective roles.

 

[GloryDawg]

The Napoleonic Wars were WWI it made it all way to the United States in 1812, so that means WWI was WWII and WWII was WWIII. Just putting that out there.*****

 

[BioChemDawg]

Y’all can try to convince me all you want, but I just don’t think there’s any utility to disrupting the rotation just to match up with UCLA this weekend.

 

[Podgy]

You are welcome to compare predominantly Christian countries to predominantly Muslim countries. Should be a great exercise.

Why pretend American militarism isn't a normal part of our lives and our foreign policy since WWII? We bomb and invade other countries when we want to. Not suggesting it's never justified.

 

[Ranchdawg]

Y’all can try to convince me all you want, but I just don’t think there’s any utility to disrupting the rotation just to match up with UCLA this weekend.

How dare you! How dare you jeopardize our future by allowing things to go on like they always have!