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*Bleedingblue* said:
I'm sure CNN is reliable.

News is so reliable that Facists Fauci has to coordinate with companies to stop spread of info just like the lab scientists who worked at Wuhan
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You are complaining about CNN and the websites you are posting are 1 step below the national enquirer.

Seriously, quit buying into this crap. Read actual medical websites, this garbage you are filling your head with is making you looney.

It's no different than that Qanon stuff. People keep reading it over and over until it drives them nuts.
 
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Ya covid is so bad that you have to be reminded 24/7 their is a virus.

I know what you wrote is BS because I personally know many who took it and got terribly sick. Just like the articles I submitted about Eric Clapton.

Now the CDC is backing off the testing saying their are tons of false positives. You know like sending samples of berries, trees, etc off and they come back positive.


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I don't have to be reminded that there's a virus. My memory is still pretty solid even though I'm approaching the ripe old age of.... 30. I appreciate the concern, though. I just kinda exist knowing it's a thing. That's why I have a mask that I'll start wearing again soon even though I'm vaccinated. Multiple avenues of protection are better than relying on just one. Redundancies are everywhere. Airliners, vehicles, cyber security, nuclear launch protocols, data storage, etc.

No offense, but I don't put much stock in personal anecdotes. I'm not doubting that something happened. I'm doubting that the vaccine caused whatever severe illness you've attributed to it. It's totally possible, but the vast array of evidence doesn't support your claim or that if there are any negative effects, it's directly related to the shots.

Liberals love virtue-signaling that they've gotten the vaccine and that they're experiencing some side effects. Out of literally thousands of Facebook "friends" and friends of friends who've gotten the vaccine, I've not heard of a single person getting seriously sick. And yes, thousands. One person posts that they've gotten the jabs, and every other human who's had theirs chimes in with their experience. It's kinda like Field of Dreams. If you post it, they will come.

Eric Clapton is a musician, and he is one person. I want to take a moment to ask you to consider the literal tens of thousands of celebrities, politicians, celebrity politicians, and other high profile folks who've taken the vaccine and gone about their business. The squeaky wheel gets the grease... Or publicity, in this case.

I have literally, and I do mean literally, no idea what your example of berries and trees was trying to prove. If it's what I think it is, the example is really poor, but I'd like to give you the benefit of the doubt. False positives happen all the time every day in just about every sector. It's a part of life. There's absolutely no part of life that has 100% anything. Even the most stringent tolerances are bound to fail. That's the world we live in.

I'm also not sure why you've tried deflecting to the Covid tests. We've been talking about the vaccines this entire thread. The tests are accurate more often than not, and they'll get better as we develop better technologies and stricter tolerances.

Cheers, friend. 🤙🏼
 
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*Bleedingblue* said:
This is what they want here and only the beginning. Just like in France where they are having riots and Macrons entire security detail quit after he stated you can't even buy food or travel unless you get this vaccine.
These Libs are lining up for the mark of the beast.

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Bleedingblue, I'd like to ask you why you believe what you're reading on this website and not a website like Reuters, Bloomberg, Forbes, or WSJ. What exactly makes these tinier websites so much more reliable and infallible than tested, reputable news outlets? Cuz I used to read them too and started looking into videos and local news from people on the ground in certain areas, and I realized I was being BS'd. Whereas some major outlets told half truths, the tiny sites were straight up lying to people. What they said didn't match up with videos, personal accounts, and interviews from the issue in question.

And I want to emphasize that I am not including CNN or MSNBC or Fox in "reputable" territory. Let's just work under the assumption that they're trash.
 
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The final point you made is based on data being taken out of context. Go to any hospital at any random time and tell me when you see the first empty room. My guess is you probably won't find one. Hospitals are always at full capacity. That's by design. At the end of the day hospitals are businesses. They do not exist to have empty rooms. Using how full the hospitals are as a barometer of how we are dealing with a virus is bad journalism. This was done during the early days of the virus. CNN screaming "the hospitals are full oh my god we're all going to die". At one point someone actually was a journalist looked into it and less than 1% of the patients were there for Covid. 80% of the patients were there for elective surgeries.
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I would like to see the link to this journalist. I assume they were looking at just one hospital (we know that testing, admissions, and ICU utilization vary widely by facility and over time). Less than 20% of inpatient admissions in a typical hospital are surgery patients, and it's been declining for years as more and more surgery is done on an outpatient basis. The majority of surgery patients come directly from home to pre-op, go to the OR, then PACU/post-op and then home, or are admitted overnight for observation. Only the sickest / more complex procedures are typically admitted for more than 24 hours.

And I've worked in half a dozen hospitals (5 acute care and 1 psych) in the central Kentucky area, and I know there are empty rooms, even whole wings/floors that are not used. But I think you mean available beds not rooms. No, hospitals don't always keep 100% of their beds full. Here is a link to a site using HHS data that lets you see percent of inpatient capacity, ICU use, and Covid admissions for hospitals around the country (just select the state and region)
Hospital Capacity and Covid-19

Also, beds and capacity are different things. Capacity requires beds, staffing, and equipment / supplies. Covid-19 patients are more staff intensive, require use of PPE that isn't used with most patients, and may require interventions like proning and ventilator assisted breathing.
 
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JDHoss said:
That's for sure. I've known a few people who had shingles, and DO! NOT! WANT!
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They recommend folks getting vaccinated when they turn 50, I think. Hell with that. Jab that into my veins yesterday. I've seen that before too, and it's not pleasant.
 
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Suckin at the teets of Don Lemon himself.

It's not political nonsense. It has nothing to do with Trump. It isn't a political dogma.

Amoebas have more brain cells than it took to post such absurdly stupid and uneducated bullsht as you posted.

I'll forgive your ignorance since it seems to be all-encompassing on this. Read about world war 2 and the judgments in favor of human rights that came out of that conflict, or get some books on tape if you don't have time to read. The right of an individual to make medical decisions for themselves and deny treatment of any kind is an international ruling going back to Nuremberg. It's not something new, political, dogma, nor trumpian.

Maybe you liked it when governments used jews and African americans for experiments. That's your right to be bigoted and fascist, but it doesn't grant you the right to take away the choices of others.

If your vaccine works, just like your other chosen beliefs, you have NOTHING to worry about. If you're worried, seems like you made a bad choice and want others to be forced into the same situation you chose. If the 2nd is true, you are likely a far left liberal aka fascist, national socialist. Run out and join the nazi party or kkk. You'll fit right in with their dogma, politics, and beliefs.
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Thanks for the laugh.
 
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JPFisher said:
They recommend folks getting vaccinated when they turn 50, I think. Hell with that. Jab that into my veins yesterday. I've seen that before too, and it's not pleasant.
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Yeh I got shingles when I was 48, you really dont want that.

It was horrible, just air blowing on my skin hurt like hell. It was the most painful thing I've ever been through.
 
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*Bleedingblue* said:
Ya covid is so bad that you have to be reminded 24/7 their is a virus.

I know what you wrote is BS because I personally know many who took it and got terribly sick. Just like the articles I submitted about Eric Clapton.

Now the CDC is backing off the testing saying their are tons of false positives. You know like sending samples of berries, trees, etc off and they come back positive.


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LOL here's another news story from your "source".
 
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Father Torque said:
You are complaining about CNN and the websites you are posting are 1 step below the national enquirer.

Seriously, quit buying into this crap. Read actual medical websites, this garbage you are filling your head with is making you looney.

It's no different than that Qanon stuff. People keep reading it over and over until it drives them nuts.
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I have read the CDC guidlines. Last year I researched mask wearing. On the Gov documents it said mask wearing does nothing to curb a virus. It is all psychological. But what it does do is cause bacterial pnemonia because a mask needs to be changed every 30 min before it starts building up.



As a note this is your hero your leader, who just said the other day if you take the vaccine you won't get sick. The man who got 82 million votes the most in history, someone who didn't even campaign hardly at all, stayed in his basement and when he did go no one showed up.


Vast amount of intellect!!!


 
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Your main squeeze who has been lying his butt off from what he's telling us vs what he's telling his buddies in emails.

Remember how get the jab and you won't have to wear masks?

 
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*Bleedingblue* said:
Oh just get the jab and you wont' get sick they say


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My understanding is there is a statistically significant difference between being infected and the severity requiring hospitalization and possibly leading to death. The vaccine’s efficacy is toward preventing serious illness, I think.
 
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*Bleedingblue* said:
Oh just get the jab and you wont' get sick they say


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I don't know of a reputable source that has said that a vaccinated person won't get sick. They're all working under the premise that getting vaccinated significantly reduces your chances of getting infected and seriously knocks down the likelihood of hospitalization. Both of which are, understandably, beneficial to society as well as individuals.

Also, I'm not going to trust someone on Twitter just because they have a blue checkmark.
 
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*Bleedingblue* said:
I have read the CDC guidlines. Last year I researched mask wearing. On the Gov documents it said mask wearing does nothing to curb a virus. It is all psychological. But what it does do is cause bacterial pnemonia because a mask needs to be changed every 30 min before it starts building up.



As a note this is your hero your leader, who just said the other day if you take the vaccine you won't get sick. The man who got 82 million votes the most in history, someone who didn't even campaign hardly at all, stayed in his basement and when he did go no one showed up.


Vast amount of intellect!!!


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I feel sorry for you. You're ate up with all this partisan political crap.

Biden can't be my hero, because I didn't vote for either one of those 2 idiots.

I prefer to use my own judgment instead of letting political hacks tell me what to think.
 
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*Bleedingblue* said:
Oh just get the jab and you wont' get sick they say


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Also, the Xinhuanet that this guy screen capped appears to be the official state media for China. Why on earth would any American take communist news media at face value? Especially when we KNOW that that bad actors on the international stage are actively trying to flood American social media with misinformation and other attempts to sow discontent in our population?
 
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I would like to see the link to this journalist. I assume they were looking at just one hospital (we know that testing, admissions, and ICU utilization vary widely by facility and over time). Less than 20% of inpatient admissions in a typical hospital are surgery patients, and it's been declining for years as more and more surgery is done on an outpatient basis. The majority of surgery patients come directly from home to pre-op, go to the OR, then PACU/post-op and then home, or are admitted overnight for observation. Only the sickest / more complex procedures are typically admitted for more than 24 hours.

And I've worked in half a dozen hospitals (5 acute care and 1 psych) in the central Kentucky area, and I know there are empty rooms, even whole wings/floors that are not used. But I think you mean available beds not rooms. No, hospitals don't always keep 100% of their beds full. Here is a link to a site using HHS data that lets you see percent of inpatient capacity, ICU use, and Covid admissions for hospitals around the country (just select the state and region)
Hospital Capacity and Covid-19

Also, beds and capacity are different things. Capacity requires beds, staffing, and equipment / supplies. Covid-19 patients are more staff intensive, require use of PPE that isn't used with most patients, and may require interventions like proning and ventilator assisted breathing.
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I travel to different hospitals all the time for work. I can only speak on what Ive seen but before Covid, hospitals were always either at full capacity or very close to full. Hospitals around central Kentucky may be a different story but larger city facilities are always packed.
I never saw empty rooms until the pandemic started.
 
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According to the CDC, a few weeks ago, more people died from complications due to the vaccine than from complications due to the disease. The total number is now (CORRECTION) passing 11K (not 70K as i earlier posted).

People either don't hear about this, because of $$$ or because they are too busy lighting candles at the alter of Fraudci.
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You need to post a link to data that literally no one else has seen. You can't just keep throwing numbers around with no credible link or data.
 
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Freetaxreturn said:
I would be interested to see his contract and language within. I’ve never worked the Midwest so idk if they are at will within a privately owned corporation or not but, maybe the NFL has certain criteria directed within the league owners is my concern. If they do and he can afford a corporate wrongful termination law group in this current climate he would have a very good opportunity to cash out on the Viqueens given their liberal state 🍺
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jameslee32 said:
My wife had shingles not long ago and had no negative effects from the 2 Pfizer doses at all.
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I worked with a guy that had shingles for about six months and he said it was the most uncomfortable he’s been in his life.
He said he wouldn’t wish them on his worst enemy.

I’ve had both types of Shingles shots and had no problems whatsoever. This is true for all the inoculations I’ve received …. Annual flu, pneumonia, tetanus, Hep A and PFizer vaccine.
 
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A friend who works in a nursing home with a COVID unit says that most of the unit is filled with fully vaccinated nursing home patients who just returned from the hospital. They were and are completely asymptomatic, but caught COVID and they know they have COVID because they were tested as a matter for protocol at the hospital. Otherwise, they would not have known. So, the vax pop can get and, conceivably spread the virus. If you test everyone weekly, you’re gonna get positives.
 
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megablue said:
I worked with a guy that had shingles for about six months and he said it was the most uncomfortable he’s been in his life.
He said he wouldn’t wish them on his worst enemy.

I’ve had both types of Shingles shots and had no problems whatsoever. This is true for all the inoculations I’ve received …. Annual flu, pneumonia, tetanus, Hep C and PFizer vaccine.
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Flu shots have always given me flu-like symptoms so I stopped taking them years ago. I started back in 2020 anyway. Same result but I didn't care this time.
 
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My understanding is there is a statistically significant difference between being infected and the severity requiring hospitalization and possibly leading to death. The vaccine’s efficacy is toward preventing serious illness, I think.
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Yes but according to the NFL and the topic of this thread. If there is an outbreak, looks like there may be a possibility of this vaccinated or not. However, they only intend to penalize teams if it's unvaccinated people, seems arbitrary and open for litigation.
 
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JPFisher said:
I've not said that. The closest thing I've said is that the decision should be up to a person and their general practitioner. I don't believe that the decision should be completely left up to someone who searched google or conspiracy news sites for answers. Again, there's a reason conservative media is starting to favor vaccines. Who do you think our country stands to lose the most when things get real bad this fall? Some of us are trying to keep folks alive because nobody deserves to die gasping for breath and drowning from a preventable, transmissible disease while being totally isolated from their loved ones. Nor do they deserve the potentially lifelong health problems that accompany survival.

Regardless, an employer shouldn't be required to harbor an unvaccinated, potential health liability. If you're a pilot traveling internationally, you get your shots. If you're a college student about to live in dorms, you get your shots. If you're a doctor, you get your shots, because nobody likes hepatitis. The laws on this vary state-to-state.

You might have a point if the vaccine was still experimental. There's a lot more that goes into it than just that, but we'll simplify it to narrow things down to that one point. Most employers aren't the researchers who conducted the studies in 2020 to determine vaccine safety and efficacy.

Two totally different arenas, my friend.

I would like to ask you one question, though. Why are you, personally, anti vaccine, or hesitant, or whatever stance you may be?
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1. you have no idea if someone is basing their decision from google or conspiracy news sites . what makes your information superior? the information upon which you rely, couldn't possibly be misleading or a flat out lie.
2. just because conservative media is starting to favor vaccines (as you claim). has nothing to do with one's right to choose vax or no vax.
3. trying to keep folks alive is admirable, but that does not give you the right to tell anyone how to live.
4. if an employer is ignorant of an employee's medical situation ( which should be the case) how can they be harboring potential health liabilities?
5. the vaccine being in an experimental stage is not an acceptable answer for you. (why say...there's a lot more that goes into it than just that) experimental stage vaccination is a damn good reason for not getting vaxed. regardless of (there's a lot more that goes into it than just that).
6. why should anyone answer this question you pose (why are you, personally, anti vaccine, or hesitant, or whatever stance you may be)? I'm sure any answer given will not satisfy, but will only provide more material to further the argument. which appears to be the real agenda here.
you seem like an intelligent person. why can you not see the danger in employer's dictating how employees get medical treatment . if you are of the opinion that it will ultimately save lives. ask yourself...where will employer dictation powers end and what quality of life is to be lived without freedom?
 
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I would argue the opposite. You are the one being selfish. You are demanding people take an experimental drug, not because it is in their best interest but because it is in your best interest. The only valid reason to take a drug is if it primarily helps the person taking the drug. There is no valid argument for me to take a drug to protect you.

There are not millions of people that can't take the drug. The ones that are excluded have been proven to not be affected by covid so there is no reason. The ones that are not vaccinated have shown in survey after survey to have no interest in taking the vaccine. Their choice, but the narrative that you owe it to someone else to get vaccinated is complete bogus.

The third point is also untrue and has been stated by many health care practitioners. Vaccines do not eradicate viruses. This virus will continue to exist as long as we do. It's not going anywhere. This was the same failed argument that justified the lockdowns. If we just allow our freedoms to be taken away then this virus will just simply go away and leave us alone. That was never going to happen. Also vaccines do not eradicate variants. In fact the opposite is likely true. We were warned about this from the beginning. Introducing a vaccine during an outbreak will likely lead to a variant.

The final point you made is based on data being taken out of context. Go to any hospital at any random time and tell me when you see the first empty room. My guess is you probably won't find one. Hospitals are always at full capacity. That's by design. At the end of the day hospitals are businesses. They do not exist to have empty rooms. Using how full the hospitals are as a barometer of how we are dealing with a virus is bad journalism. This was done during the early days of the virus. CNN screaming "the hospitals are full oh my god we're all going to die". At one point someone actually was a journalist looked into it and less than 1% of the patients were there for Covid. 80% of the patients were there for elective surgeries. Trump sent two hospital ships to ships to New York and they were never used. Even in Kentucky the Nutter center was converted to a temporary hospital for Covid patients. It also was never used. There is a reason for that and sadly too many people have forgotten that it actually happened. The myth of filling up our hospitals is just that, it's a myth.

Believing that allowing someone the freedom to decide what is in their own best interest poses an existential threat to you there for you are compelled to strip them of free will is a sad line of thinking. But of course this won't be the first time such a thing has been done. A famous philosopher observed the same behavior during the holocaust.

"If you can convince people to believe in absurdities, you can convince them to commit atrocities"

I'm sorry but informed consent is the line in the sand. There is no justification for over turning it.
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So do the approximately 50 million children under 12 in the USA just not exist? Because they aren't eligible to take the vaccine. Guess I need to return that gift I got for my friends kid since she doesn't exist anymore.
 
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*Bleedingblue* said:
We all saw in Fauci's emails that their was 2 treatments that worked great but publicly he denied that they worked at all. Hydroxychloroquin and Ivermectin. They are off patent of course and no money to be made by the vampires and the gov to control you.

Clearly walking around you see those who cannot think for themselves and want to be told what to do by their master.
Put that mask on that does nothing to stop a virus but causes bacterial pneumonia!! Yes um!

Take this experimental treatment that we don't even call a vaccine that has killed every test animal eventually that's injected with it! Yes um!

Stay at home and don't work while the whole country is falling apart because nothing is getting done! Yes um!

Better take this injection or you can't buy, sell or work! Yes um!
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Because they couldn’t grant the Emergency Use Authorization for the vaccines if they acknowledged there was an already approved treatment that was safe and effective. So now they get to stay clear with liability waivers and profit even more. It’s all about money and control, but mostly money.
 
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