Heads explode at IHSA

[MC63]

Can you imagine if ...Rice or Marist played Loyola in the 8A championship ... right after the Caravan played Nazareth in 7A ... right after Notre Dame won 6A... right after JCA and MCHS played in 5A that morning?

They'd be scraping toupees off the ceiling in Bloomington.

Yes, I do understand that LWE is considered unbeatable, but no one (except for me and perhaps one or two others) predicted MC's win Saturday over ESL.

On any given day ...

 

[iamgroot_rivals225093]

Can you imagine if ...Rice or Marist played Loyola in the 8A championship ... right after the Caravan played Nazareth in 7A ... right after Notre Dame won 6A... right after JCA and MCHS played in 5A that morning?

They'd be scraping toupees off the ceiling in Bloomington.

Yes, I do understand that LWE is considered unbeatable, but no one (except for me and perhaps one or two others predicted MC's win Saturday over ESL.

On any given day ...

Especially after IC or Mac (or even better... they're playing each other) potentially kicks off the weekend on Friday.

 

[CCL65]

Can you imagine if ...Rice or Marist played Loyola in the 8A championship ... right after the Caravan played Nazareth in 7A ... right after Notre Dame won 6A... right after JCA and MCHS played in 5A that morning?

They'd be scraping toupees off the ceiling in Bloomington.

Yes, I do understand that LWE is considered unbeatable, but no one (except for me and perhaps one or two others predicted MC's win Saturday over ESL.

On any given day ...

And IC and Bmac just played for 4A the day before

 

[cocacoaler]

Can you imagine if ...Rice or Marist played Loyola in the 8A championship ... right after the Caravan played Nazareth in 7A ... right after Notre Dame won 6A... right after JCA and MCHS played in 5A that morning?

They'd be scraping toupees off the ceiling in Bloomington.

Yes, I do understand that LWE is considered unbeatable, but no one (except for me and perhaps one or two others predicted MC's win Saturday over ESL.

On any given day ...

But the 6A and the 5A crowns wouldn’t really matter anyway according to you so, much ado about nothing.

 

[MC63]

But the 6A and the 5A crowns wouldn’t really matter anyway according to you so, much ado about nothing.

If the public school members of the IHSA (and the IHSA staff) are annoyed, that will be sufficient

 

[tmjgrady]

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And IC and Bmac just played for 4A the day before

too bad Aurora Christian did not advance in 1A today and Hope in 2A last week - at start of playoffs I thought that they both had legit shots

 

[ClownBaby]

Isn’t there a thread like this every year about the potential of private schools winning “x” amount of classes after the Quarter finals followed up with a “the IHSA got what they wanted” in two weeks when they dont?

 

[Cat Box]

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too bad Aurora Christian did not advance in 1A today and Hope in 2A last week - at start of playoffs I thought that they both had legit shots

Hats off to the boys at Lena Winslow who routed Aurora Christian. They could play toe to toe with Bmac and IC. Not joking. Size, speed, power, fundamentals, coaching. They play mistake-free football. Very impressed.

 

[anon_4vszfu35bv677]

I gave the over/under on a post like this about 2 hours after the game...

 

[BretEpic]

Isn’t there a thread like this every year about the potential of private schools winning “x” amount of classes after the Quarter finals followed up with a “the IHSA got what they wanted” in two weeks when they dont?

Shhhhhh

 

[ClownBaby]

Shhhhhh

Just saying I see Montini wining 5A but Public Schools winning 6A, 7A and 8A.

 

[BretEpic]

Just saying I see Montini wining 5A but Public Schools wining 6A, 7A and 8A.

That's enough pal

 

[sivada2001]

Can you imagine if ...Rice or Marist played Loyola in the 8A championship ... right after the Caravan played Nazareth in 7A ... right after Notre Dame won 6A... right after JCA and MCHS played in 5A that morning?

They'd be scraping toupees off the ceiling in Bloomington.

Yes, I do understand that LWE is considered unbeatable, but no one (except for me and perhaps one or two others) predicted MC's win Saturday over ESL.

On any given day ...

Yes! I think most dont realize when teams are somewhat evenly matched, it’s all about the X’s and O’s, and the preparation... MC’s experienced defense and Coach Dave still at the helm. I’d take that bet every time... Side note: I really like BR’s defense against anyone! And, their quarterback/ wideout tandem of Summers and Bean- lights out!

 

[Tain33]

Isn’t there a thread like this every year about the potential of private schools winning “x” amount of classes after the Quarter finals followed up with a “the IHSA got what they wanted” in two weeks when they dont?

Kind of makes you wanna puke..doesn't it..? It's like the Bear's kicker's comments.. It's all part of God's plan..

 

[PanthersWildcats86]

You chichi

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too bad Aurora Christian did not advance in 1A today and Hope in 2A last week - at start of playoffs I thought that they both had legit shots

What I find entertaining is that a private school contender still exists in the lower classes, but the "We only know about schools north of I-80" group of course fails to remember...

Decatur St. Theresa isn't exactly chopped liver at 12-0 in 2A, even if they aren't the favorite against Maroa-Forysthe (and probably the 4th best of the unbeaten, 48-0 2A semi-finalists)...

What makes that matchup classic, however, is that since the schools are minutes apart there are probably kids who live in the MF district who play for St. Theresa...for those of you who need a south of I-80 geography lesson, Route 51 runs south from MF High School, crosses I-72, and St. Theresa is on Route 51 in Decatur...Forsythe is the north side of the Interchange of I-72 and Route 51, Decatur is the south side...

And St. Theresa is the IHSA nightmare...they are having a horrible fall...Heck, the undefeated Football team is only the third most successful team so far this fall...Girls Volleyball won a 3rd Place trophy in 1A....Boys Soccer won the 3rd Place trophy in Soccer...Cross country runner was 4th at state...girls swimmer qualified for state...They are about to lose their multiplier waivers for soccer (although meaningless) and volleyball...And were 2nd in 1A Football in 2016 due to a multiplier waiver (1st Round losers in 3A 11, 13, 14; 1A 15; 2-7 in 12)...3A 9-2 last year, 2A this year...

 

[tmjgrady]

You chichi


What I find entertaining is that a private school contender still exists in the lower classes, but the "We only know about schools north of I-80" group of course fails to remember...

Decatur St. Theresa isn't exactly chopped liver at 12-0 in 2A, even if they aren't the favorite against Maroa-Forysthe (and probably the 4th best of the unbeaten, 48-0 2A semi-finalists)...

What makes that matchup classic, however, is that since the schools are minutes apart there are probably kids who live in the MF district who play for St. Theresa...for those of you who need a south of I-80 geography lesson, Route 51 runs south from MF High School, crosses I-72, and St. Theresa is on Route 51 in Decatur...Forsythe is the north side of the Interchange of I-72 and Route 51, Decatur is the south side...

And St. Theresa is the IHSA nightmare...they are having a horrible fall...Heck, the undefeated Football team is only the third most successful team so far this fall...Girls Volleyball won a 3rd Place trophy in 1A....Boys Soccer won the 3rd Place trophy in Soccer...Cross country runner was 4th at state...girls swimmer qualified for state...They are about to lose their multiplier waivers for soccer (although meaningless) and volleyball...And were 2nd in 1A Football in 2016 due to a multiplier waiver (1st Round losers in 3A 11, 13, 14; 1A 15; 2-7 in 12)...3A 9-2 last year, 2A this year...

I'm well aware that there is plenty of good football being played south of I80 -I have been to many Friday sessions at NIU, U of I and ISU (back in the day) to watch the 1 thru 4A games. I have always enjoyed watching the games. The only thing missing for me is some of the back stories between schools - like big rivalries, bad blood, etc... Many of my college buddies played small school football at schools like Amboy, Chenoa, etc...

 

[RetiredReferee]

As a guy who gave up all allegiances after getting my patch, I’m honestly curious: do you honestly think the IHSA gives a damn if a private or public win?

 

[USD24]

As a guy who gave up all allegiances after getting my patch, I’m honestly curious: do you honestly think the IHSA gives a damn if a private or public win?

Only one allegiance when you get the patch

 

[RetiredReferee]

Only one allegiance when you get the patch

We actually have that on the jackets we wear out.

 

[tmjgrady]

As a guy who gave up all allegiances after getting my patch, I’m honestly curious: do you honestly think the IHSA gives a damn if a private or public win?

I think they just want to see some parity and balance between private/public champions across all sports, that's all....and maybe for the sake of perception too - assuring it's audience that privates do not have an unfair advantage - or too big of an advantage (I'm not suggesting here that we start that conversation again.....)

 

[ramblinman_rivals165935]

As a guy who gave up all allegiances after getting my patch, I’m honestly curious: do you honestly think the IHSA gives a damn if a private or public win?

Oh, please. If you think they don't give a damn who wins, then how do you explain the multiplier, success factor, etc. that all apply to private schools only. These IHSA imposed policies are specifically designed to make private schools less competitive against schools of similar actual size.

 

[RetiredReferee]

Oh, please. If you think they don't give a damn who wins, then how do you explain the multiplier, success factor, etc. that all apply to private schools only. These IHSA imposed policies are specifically designed to make private schools less competitive against schools of similar actual size.

Oh, I forgot about you.

 

[LakeCtyNewt]

Nothing like a good conspiracy theory on a cold fall afternoon.

 

[ClownBaby]

Oh, please. If you think they don't give a damn who wins, then how do you explain the multiplier, success factor, etc. that all apply to private schools only. These IHSA imposed policies are specifically designed to make private schools less competitive against schools of similar actual size.

The IHSA membership may care about the private/ public thing but I’m pretty sure IHSA Office only cares about making money.

 

[RetiredReferee]

The IHSA membership may care about the private/ public thing but I’m pretty sure IHSA Office only cares about making money.

This, right here.

If I’m the IHSA and I see the home crowds at HF, then I’m pretty happy about Rice or Marist being downstate.

 

[RetiredReferee]

Nothing like a good conspiracy theory on a cold fall afternoon.

This as well. How is the IHSA conspiracy against the privates any different than a ref conspiracy against Simeon?

 

[LakeCtyNewt]

This as well. How is the IHSA conspiracy against the privates any different than a ref conspiracy again Simeon?

I’m not going there and you can’t make me!

 

[RetiredReferee]

I’m not going there and you can’t make me!

‘Twas rhetorical.

 

[ramblinman_rivals165935]

This as well. How is the IHSA conspiracy against the privates any different than a ref conspiracy against Simeon?

Oh, there's no IHSA conspiracy against private schools. A conspiracy implies planning outside of the eye of public scrutiny. The IHSA is quite open about their desire to "level the playing field" by enacting discriminatory policies against private schools.

 

[crusader_of_90]

When football enrollemt was developed after two althoff 3a (of six) titles (1989/90 seasons), the bylaw language/teeth aimed at Althoff playing a 6a schedule then winning 3a.

The IHSA attorney’s ARGUMENTS were that we had too many D1 players - which was a result of genetic lottery. Their arguments were not that we played higher level completion but that we could. Thus, something must be done to tame these animals.

 

[LTHSALUM76]

Maybe someone else brought this up. But, is it possible the IHSA actually wants to spread the privates out to increase attendance at the games for each classification?

 

[Anon1754760634]

Hats off to the boys at Lena Winslow who routed Aurora Christian. They could play toe to toe with Bmac and IC. Not joking. Size, speed, power, fundamentals, coaching. They play mistake-free football. Very impressed.

Just watched them against AC and I totally agree....very impressed with how well they defending the spread....not an easy thing for teams from the power run NUIC conferences.

 

[Southland Fan 2016]

Yes! I think most dont realize when teams are somewhat evenly matched, it’s all about the X’s and O’s, and the preparation... MC’s experienced defense and Coach Dave still at the helm. I’d take that bet every time... Side note: I really like BR’s defense against anyone! And, their quarterback/ wideout tandem of Summers and Bean- lights out!

Markett and Thompson could be way more dangerous then Bean and Summers.

 

[No Bias---Just Reality]

Maybe someone else brought this up. But, is it possible the IHSA actually wants to spread the privates out to increase attendance at the games for each classification?

You do realize private schools have smaller followings than public’s right? Ever seen the stadiums and seating at each? Obviously not!

 

[USD24]

You do realize private schools have smaller followings than public’s right? Ever seen the stadiums and seating at each? Obviously not!

I really dont think being public or private has anything to do with the amount of fans or the following a school has. Various things come into play. How good the team is, tradition of program, community involvement, size of school. I really dont think religion is one of the factors that determines a school's following. Certain schools have a good following, certain school don't. (private or public)

 

[No Bias---Just Reality]

I really dont think being public or private has anything to do with the amount of fans or the following a school has. Various things come into play. How good the team is, tradition of program, community involvement, size of school. I really dont think religion is one of the factors that determines a school's following. Certain schools have a good following, certain school don't. (private or public)

Religion? Not my point man! What would be more attended Batavia vs St Charles North or Nazareth vs Mt Carmel?

 

[USD24]

Religion? Not my point man! What would be more attended Batavia vs St Charles North or Nazareth vs Mt Carmel?

You are the one who said public schools draw better than private schools. I just said it has nothing to do with weather the school is private or public. It has to do with other factors. What would draw more fans, Mr Carmel vs Joliet Catholic or Hinsdale Central vs Waubonsee Valley? I have been to both those games and there were 3x the fans at the private school game.

Like I stated, some private schools draw well and some dont and some public schools draw well and some dont.

 

[tmjgrady]

You do realize private schools have smaller followings than public’s right? Ever seen the stadiums and seating at each? Obviously not!

No way One example would be the HF v Marist game last Saturday. HF was Home and Marist still out numbered the home public team 2 to 1. If you re-watch the broadcast pay no attention to the announcers claim of a good Hf crowd. It was lame A lot of private schools travel well and typically have strong alumni support and following

 

[No Bias---Just Reality]

You are the one who said public schools draw better than private schools. I just said it has nothing to do with weather the school is private or public. It has to do with other factors. What would draw more fans, Mr Carmel vs Joliet Catholic or Hinsdale Central vs Waubonsee Valley? I have been to both those games and there were 3x the fans at the private school game.

Like I stated, some private schools draw well and some dont and some public schools draw well and some dont.

I have a feeling this is one of those we are going to have to agree to disagree on but...

1. You can't cherry pick specific games here and there and prove your point in this one... I am speaking generally.

2. I was refuting someone who thought maybe the IHSA was spreading out privates in the playoffs to help draw better. So since we are talking about playoffs the public's are likely good to great... we are not talking about Proviso East here.... (no shot at PE intended) I mention that since you talked about quality of program in your factors which obviously applies to both public and private programs.

3. I will not argue that many privates out draw publics on a "proportional basis" but not on a raw number basis. In other words, JCA draws a huge number for a school with 626 kids but that doesn't mean they get more in pure raw numbers than Batavia with their 2,000 kids. You following me on that?

4. I assure you the example I used of Batavia vs SCN would have more total people there (tickets sold) than if Nazareth and Mt Carmel met. It's a pure numbers game 2000 students each vs 750 and 600 students, which extrapolates to more family/friends, more faculty/staff, more alumni, and so on. Granted there is a unique factor in that SCN was founded in 2000 limiting the alumni and even LWE which was founded in the 70's I think and doesn't represent a town but an area which I find always hurts the following compared to a Batavia situation where it is very town/community specific. But these are outlier situations. Will Brother Rice vs Marist be a huge game? Likely but there again thats a special game and outlier. If OPRF had a home playoff game Friday and so did Fenwick... OPRF would have a larger crowd. It's just a fact.

The long and short of it is that I agree that Privates often have a more "loyal" or "rabid" fan base that doesn't miss a game because of bad weather but if the IHSA bumps Nazareth to 7a they are losing ticket sales in a 7a game compared to a true 7a school. 100% of the student body at Naz showing up is 750, if SCN got 50% there that's 1,000 and that doesn't include the aforementioned extrapolation of people that come with the larger student body. And that was the guys assertion, that it would help ticket sales.

 

[No Bias---Just Reality]

No way One example would be the HF v Marist game last Saturday. HF was Home and Marist still out numbered the home public team 2 to 1. If you re-watch the broadcast pay no attention to the announcers claim of a good Hf crowd. It was lame A lot of private schools travel well and typically have strong alumni support and following

You're right... one example! See my prior response to USD24