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I think they've got you dead-to-rights over Tunsil -- and, again, are going after institutional control. And those schools "hardly blink" over guys they've invested 3 years in as the #1 OL in the country, with their head coach as lead recruiter(who has proven time and time again to be one of the best in the country) -- who was a sealed deal as a soph in high school up until 2 weeks before NSD? When he made a business decision in the most blatant manner possible -- and everyone over there knows exactly what he got? The same head coach that happens to be best friends with his outgoing university president, who, oh by the way, just transferred onto the NCAA COI? Yeah, right** Nothing to see here**
It's way more logical that a few ******** MSU fans somehow have the power to get the NCAA interested in stuff that happened 3 years ago. Coach34 and Flabloser have full control over NCAA compliance these days according to most of your boards anyway**
Meanwhile, they crucify MSU fans for having such ridiculous conspiracy theories**
Hilarious that one of the most famously incorrect OM "insiders" in SPS history feels the need to call out anyone else...
Repeatedly calling you a pawn is beginning to feel like it's giving you too much credit...
Alright after this I'll be done with any "investigation" discussion, but here's whats so stupid about what ya'll infer is going on. Take Chris Jones for example, if he reported through a 3rd party lots of "recruiting irregularities" to the NCAA, whoever is driving that train is a complete idiot. What about Kailo, Brassell, CJ, etc who were all committed to ya'll and flipped to us? Think they might have some stories to tell? What idiot in their right mind would want to start a war like that? Ya'll are on probation, we aren't. If allowed to continue don't you think we'll retaliate? Jeez, think it through. We'll get MSU-type punishment, and ya'll get completely taken apart. MSU insiders can't want that to happen, ya know? Think about it folks
How so? How is it to hurt us that a kid that was committed to us when he had no other options decided to stick with us? A kid that actually withstood the late barrage from Oxford, the details of which we all know at this point -- many of which have been repeated to me from people inside our athletics department.
Of course they have plenty they could say. About you. Guys commit to MSU(who goes 9-4 and dominates Michigan in a Gator Bowl) and flips to Ole Miss the last week before NSD(who goes 4-8 and is obviously trending to ****) and you really are going to try to convince us that we are the guilty ones? REALLY?
Ole Miss -- apparently. Should have left well enough alone -- but you couldn't stand to see us become your football equal. That's why you turned us in 3 times since we last retaliated...
We got hit under the old penalty structure. You will likely be the first or second team to get hit under the new one(that's much more severe and can hold Freeze personally accountable).
Retaliate for a war you started last year at this time? Sure. If you want us to both go away after we come right back at you. That's what mutually assured destruction is.
WE called for a ceasefire in the early 90s. In the meantime, you've had us put on probation 3 times since we last retaliated. At what point did you really think we were going to continue to lay down and take it?
Mutually assured destruction only works as a deterrent if it's proven that both sides are willing to pull the trigger. And make no mistake -- it'll become clear soon that MSU isn't the one that started the fire -- but we're more than happy to fan the flames.
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Y'all better stop it NOW!!!
These Ole Mrs. folks bitching on message boards are gonna single-handedly take down this MSU operation!
These Ole Mrs. folks bitching on message boards are gonna single-handedly take down this MSU operation!
Rebfan I agree with a lot of what you are saying.
The part of this thing that has substance does not involve Chris Jones or CJ Johnson (hard to believe). It goes back further than that. We did not turn you in on either Jones or Johnson, as you put it that would have been stupid. The players being brought into question don't play for Ole Miss now and I believe some of them never made it to campus.
The part of this thing that has substance does not involve Chris Jones or CJ Johnson (hard to believe). It goes back further than that. We did not turn you in on either Jones or Johnson, as you put it that would have been stupid. The players being brought into question don't play for Ole Miss now and I believe some of them never made it to campus.
The story has bounced around a lot! Engie in another thread where we left off I said that many current players and new signees had been interviewed already in the last month and you dont have to believe me if you don't want to but I have no reason to lie to you and I promise I know this to be fact. With that being said several secondary violations were found but no major infractions. Now I'm not saying something else hasn't been brought to their attention but as far as the big recruiting weekend goes all the NCAA has been through that with a fine tooth comb. There are many angles that can be taken when looking at this situation but I for one don't believe State started this just because y'all have probably seen all of the NCAA you care to see for a while. I do believe both fan bases need to learn to avoid contact with the NCAA because some people don't understand how the NCAA works and it would be really easy to bring trouble in your teams direction. As far as my reasoning in referring to punishment I simply believe the NCAA has no teeth right now. I know with the new punishment coming things could get stiffer but the with the SEC and others talking about defection the NCAA is in a bad spot right now anyway.
Ok, 66, you seems like one of the more reasonable posters, and I respect that, so I have some reasonable questions: If it goes back before CJ then you'd be talking about Nutt or maybe even O. How could any MSU fan be excited about the possibility of us being slammed by the NCAA for something that happened during the last head coach, AD, and President of the Unversity's tenure? If we were caught with a bigger smoking gun than the NCAA has ever seen from those eras, the penalties would be a slap on the wrist at best. In other words, why would anyone care about that? The NCAA can barely prove parties guilty when the evidence is fresh. You tellin' me now that they are going to be efficient with an investigation of stuff that happened under under a completely different administration? And if they are, who cares? Wouldn't the new punishment structure, as described by my dear friend engie, follow the coach of that time?
For someone who isn't concerned and doesn't care about this
You sure do seem to be putting a lot of effort into defending the rebs on here
You sure do seem to be putting a lot of effort into defending the rebs on here
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I dont have one 17ing bit of inside information; BUT, if the NCAA is looking back to Nutt, O, and sniffing around Freeze, then a logical conclusion to be drawn would be that the NCAA is building a case for lack of institutional control.
How likely is this? I dont know. All I am saying is that it is a reasonable conclusion to be drawn IF the NCAA is actually looking back that far.
How likely is this? I dont know. All I am saying is that it is a reasonable conclusion to be drawn IF the NCAA is actually looking back that far.
First of all, the NCAA isn't leaking anything.
Secondly, if there is a PLOI, none of us will know about it because of "the new innovative process" Ole Miss developed a few years back in working with the NCAA. In other words, you guys lawyer up, then hide behind the privilege argument while the NCAA refuses to comment on current or ongoing investigations.
So, while all of this is going on, you guys launch these organized counter offensives to attack anything negative about Ole Miss on any public MSU board. And you call State fans obsessed. The little game y'all are playing on nafoom is entertaining too.
Y'all are going down like an OM sorostitute at halftime of the SE Missouri game.
Back to my popcorn....
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Rebfan, I'm just passing along what I have been told. Where it goes I have no
idea but something is cooking is all I'm saying. I think the main reason MSU fans take an interest in this is they are pissed about the Redmond/Devinner debacle. Most MSU people feel like you guys were very involved with that situation and would like to see a little payback. If you were in our shoes you would feel the same way.
idea but something is cooking is all I'm saying. I think the main reason MSU fans take an interest in this is they are pissed about the Redmond/Devinner debacle. Most MSU people feel like you guys were very involved with that situation and would like to see a little payback. If you were in our shoes you would feel the same way.
So they can beat their chest and claim they care about level playing fields.
A program like OM (or MSU and dozens of other programs) would have little to no effect on the stability of the NCAA football economy if they were punished harshly for a few years. It gives them the opportunity to give the appearance that the NCAA actually enforces the rules they come up with without rocking the boat by pissing off a program that actually matters financially.
A program like OM (or MSU and dozens of other programs) would have little to no effect on the stability of the NCAA football economy if they were punished harshly for a few years. It gives them the opportunity to give the appearance that the NCAA actually enforces the rules they come up with without rocking the boat by pissing off a program that actually matters financially.
I'm not up on all the rules, but I don't think the NCAA recognizes a statute of limitations that bars them from sanctioning programs just because they didn't catch the violations while the same coaching staff is intact. I'm pretty sure Miami recently got in a lot of trouble for something that happened a while before they were hit. I know the vacated wins wouldn't really bother you (because there weren't many), but depending on what is done your program still stands to lose a lot even if the violations occurred under O or Nutt. For another example (albeit an extreme one), Penn State had already fired JoePa and hired another coach before the NCAA finished their investigation and hit them with sanctions. Under your theory, they should have been "slapped on the wrist" at best because the violations occurred under a different head coach. Good luck with that warm feeling of comfort you've created for yourself since you have a new coach. Be sure to tune in here in November to see where this Mississippi school will be playing in a bowl game - you'll need somebody to watch by then (it might be a while before you all make it back after this is all over).
Good lord man, we're having a solid conversation with different perspectives. If you don't like it then just don't read it, or better yet, add something worth a damn
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