Heisman Finalist Announced Tonight
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I'm not getting my hopes up. Last night I saw a rundown that even listed USC's QB and not a peep about Dak.
Honestly, I think he'd be 4th on my ballot. Mariota, Gordon, Cooper, Dak, Barrett. Boykin has stats, but after watching several of his games, he's benefiting a lot from the system and style of competition.
Honestly, I think he'd be 4th on my ballot. Mariota, Gordon, Cooper, Dak, Barrett. Boykin has stats, but after watching several of his games, he's benefiting a lot from the system and style of competition.
Dak blew his chances
when he lost to OM, in my opinion. He was still in the top 5 or so after Alabama. Losing to OM was the death blow.
when he lost to OM, in my opinion. He was still in the top 5 or so after Alabama. Losing to OM was the death blow.
If voters are fair about it, he gets an invite. With about 4 passing yards and 60 rushing yards in the bowl, he will be only the 6th player in ncaa history to pass for 3,000 and rush for 1,000. He's also close to 40 total TDs. All this against sec defenses. All that coupled with the fact that he's a maxwell finslist makes me think he's an invite to nyc.
I think he still gets the invite. I think the range from 2nd place to 6th place will be very close. Mariotta will win handily. Then, you have Gordon. Then you have Cooper, Dak, Barrett and a couple of others.
I see it shaking out as a 45% to Mariotta kind of deal, then 15% to Gordon. then the remaining 40% will be all in the single digits of the others. Cooper and Dak should be 3 and 4 but I would bet that they will be lower than they should due to anti-SEC hate. That RB from Indiana will get an invite and if he does, Dak certainly deserves one.
I see it shaking out as a 45% to Mariotta kind of deal, then 15% to Gordon. then the remaining 40% will be all in the single digits of the others. Cooper and Dak should be 3 and 4 but I would bet that they will be lower than they should due to anti-SEC hate. That RB from Indiana will get an invite and if he does, Dak certainly deserves one.
22 of 37 for 282 yards with 1 touchdown and 0 interceptions.
48 yards rushing with 1 touchdown.
Dak blew his chances when he lost to OM? He didn't lose to OM, the team did. More specifically, the defense did...if anyone.
Dak didn't have some otherworldly game, but its not like he was fumbling all over the place and tossing up interceptions.
Ill agree that Dak's chances were over when the team lost to OM, but its not like he was the cause of the loss and therefore is out of the running.
I didn't say
he had a bad game. Perception is greater than reality. Especially in the heisman voting world.
he had a bad game. Perception is greater than reality. Especially in the heisman voting world.
If that is the case then Gordon should stay home after getting blanked by the Buckeyes.
I don't think a road loss to a ranked team knocks Dak out of at least an invite.
We'll see.
Wasn't he still in most people's top 5 before the EB, and absent after? That's what I remember most talking heads posting on Twitter, at least.
Wasn't he still in most people's top 5 before the EB, and absent after? That's what I remember most talking heads posting on Twitter, at least.
I'm not sure that he gets the invite but he deserves it. He played well against good competition all year. Either way he should start next year as a front runner, along with JT Barrett.
The amount of finalists varies based on the vote. If a vast majority of the votes are cast for only three players, they'll get the invite. I imagine Mariota got a huge amount with Gordon and Cooper getting most of the rest. I expect this to be one of the biggest margins of victory in Heisman history.
last year, they got burned when one of the finalists took all the crab legs off the buffet. they still haven't figured out which one, so they cut it to 3 this year.
Prescott should have been honored as a finalist!
that trophy is a joke if they don't honor the most competitive players, oh but wait, Winston, Newton, Manzeil, I see a trend now. That's what they reward.
that trophy is a joke if they don't honor the most competitive players, oh but wait, Winston, Newton, Manzeil, I see a trend now. That's what they reward.
You don't understand the point of my post? Wow, its a simple point.
You claimed Dak blew HIS chances when HE lost to OM.
My point was that he didn't lost to OM, the team did. It's not like Dak had the full ability to either win or lose the game, yet your post made it seem like he did.
There is my point. Hope you can understand it the second time around.
You claimed Dak blew HIS chances when HE lost to OM.
My point was that he didn't lost to OM, the team did. It's not like Dak had the full ability to either win or lose the game, yet your post made it seem like he did.
There is my point. Hope you can understand it the second time around.
Sorry but your post makes zero sense. Winston, Newton, and JFF were all the absolute most competitive players and the best out there the years they won. Hell, weren't those guys some of the more lopsided votes?
I can make a better argument for you though. Here is what the Heisman website says: "the most outstanding player in college football in the United States whose performance best exhibits the pursuit of excellence with integrity. Winners epitomize great ability combined with diligence, perseverance, and hard work." Instead argue that they are supposed to also look for Integrity. Dak was surely screwed out of a trip to the ceremony if Integrity was indeed an important component to go along with performance.
With all of the time Dak missed early on and then again for UT Mart and Vandy, how many combined quarters do you think he actually missed? I say almost two full games worth of qrts.
I can't say you miss the point
Its not that they (mentioned recipients) were not great players by numbers. Its the way they represent the game and their institutions. So it is integrity and the quality of team players that they claim to represent. It's all bull **** they just want the biggest names the media can manufacture. Some of these are deserving I admit. To not honor Prescott communicates what they are looking for, and the last several reps of the award (and subsequent behavior) solidify the whole sham of a ceremony. So my post must have made sense enough for you to capture the core message. Thanks for the late night response. I'm just frustrated that a warrior like Prescott is not honored. He damn well deserved better. And the history of Heisman voting has betrayed their "values" before.
Its not that they (mentioned recipients) were not great players by numbers. Its the way they represent the game and their institutions. So it is integrity and the quality of team players that they claim to represent. It's all bull **** they just want the biggest names the media can manufacture. Some of these are deserving I admit. To not honor Prescott communicates what they are looking for, and the last several reps of the award (and subsequent behavior) solidify the whole sham of a ceremony. So my post must have made sense enough for you to capture the core message. Thanks for the late night response. I'm just frustrated that a warrior like Prescott is not honored. He damn well deserved better. And the history of Heisman voting has betrayed their "values" before.
I think dak should be invited also. The hiesman committee needs to re-think how they pick the winner, sure you should be a great player with crazy stars but here's the big thing to me, you should also want an outstanding character. This crap with Winston, Newton, Manziel needs to stop. The heisman should represent an outstanding player with great character on and off the field. Mm seems to be a great person as well as cooper. I haven't heard anything bad on either of them. Dak is the type of person I want my kids to look up to as an athlete and man. That's a heisman to me.
Calm down before you bust
a spring, Sally. I never said Dak had a bad game. By you posting his stats, you alluded to that. Hell, you even said yourself that losing that game was what did him in. You're posts had no point, other than to be a douche. Take an extra Xanax and have a beer.
a spring, Sally. I never said Dak had a bad game. By you posting his stats, you alluded to that. Hell, you even said yourself that losing that game was what did him in. You're posts had no point, other than to be a douche. Take an extra Xanax and have a beer.
What the 17?!?
I didn't allude to Dak having a bad game by posting his stats. How do you misinterpret things so badly? Others in the thread seemed to get it.
His stats were posted to show that Dak did no lose the game, contrary to what you claimed.
Those stats are clearly not of a QB that lost the game for his team.
My posts weren't to be a douche, they were to point out that Dak wasn't the reason for us losing the game, even though you claimed Dak lost the game.
It seems you don't think Dak was the reason we lost, even though you typed that in the first post- so apparently you just worded your post poorly and didn't clarify. Instead, you replied to my post after Dak wasn't picked. I am sure that wasn't to be a douche though, it was done to continue a fruitful conversation.**
I didn't allude to Dak having a bad game by posting his stats. How do you misinterpret things so badly? Others in the thread seemed to get it.
His stats were posted to show that Dak did no lose the game, contrary to what you claimed.
Those stats are clearly not of a QB that lost the game for his team.
My posts weren't to be a douche, they were to point out that Dak wasn't the reason for us losing the game, even though you claimed Dak lost the game.
It seems you don't think Dak was the reason we lost, even though you typed that in the first post- so apparently you just worded your post poorly and didn't clarify. Instead, you replied to my post after Dak wasn't picked. I am sure that wasn't to be a douche though, it was done to continue a fruitful conversation.**
Yes, but you have to go ALL the way back to 2012 for the most recent time. That year, it was Manziel, Te'o, and Klein (KSU).
They also had 3 in 2008 (Tebow, Bradford, McCoy).
It really just depends on where it's easiest for them to draw the line based on who is receiving the most attention/votes. I thought they might go 4 or 5 this year, but obviously toward the end, the only ones getting serious consideration alongside Mariota were Cooper and Gordon, though both of them are still just window dressing for Mariota's presentation.
Your comprehension
is a little off.
I didn't say you alluded to him having a bad game, I said that by your posting his stats you alluded that I said he had a bad game. I never said he had a bad game.
Your getting in a tizzy all has to do with your disagreement of my use of a pronoun. Have a beer. Relax.
It's a simple concept. Dak was on the losing team. Whether directly or indirectly responsible, he was the loser in the game (along with the rest of our team). Him virtually dropping from every talking-heads' top 5 after that game relays my point. Again, you're arguing over a pronoun, essentially. Cheers.
is a little off.
I didn't say you alluded to him having a bad game, I said that by your posting his stats you alluded that I said he had a bad game. I never said he had a bad game.
Your getting in a tizzy all has to do with your disagreement of my use of a pronoun. Have a beer. Relax.
It's a simple concept. Dak was on the losing team. Whether directly or indirectly responsible, he was the loser in the game (along with the rest of our team). Him virtually dropping from every talking-heads' top 5 after that game relays my point. Again, you're arguing over a pronoun, essentially. Cheers.