"Killing Gary Henderson" a novel by renowned overenthusiastic poster blacklistedbully who has died on many a hill. On the Noxapater Sentinel's best seller list.
Henderson named Coach of the Year
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"Killing Gary Henderson" a novel by renowned overenthusiastic poster blacklistedbully who has died on many a hill. On the Noxapater Sentinel's best seller list.
Its funny to me that you and BLB are typing Old Testament length diatribes talking about how unqualified Henderson is, yet you are accusing the pro-Henderson crowd as the ones being emotional.
I’m personally still in the “could go either way” on Henderson camp, even after all the support I’ve thrown behind him on the job he’s done this season (which is A LOT more than the last 6 games, so this talking point just needs to die).
I do know that nobody knows Henderson or his abilities better than John Cohen. Cohen’s coached at an SEC program for many years, then moved on and seen what Gary could do at that exact same program....and he’s done all that TWICE at two different programs with varying resources. He’s had Gary under him as pitching coach at both of those programs and seen him working first hand with the players. He’s coached along side him as an assistant at a 3rd SEC program (UF) and seen all those same things from the perspective of a colleague as opposed to a supervisor / boss.
Simply put, there is no angle at which John Cohen has not seen Gary Henderson’s body of work or ability as a coach. If John Cohen says he is or isn’t the man for the job, that’s good enough for me and that should be good enough for anyone on this board or even anyone in America. But, I know it won’t be.
Agreed. Seems like we've got a few fans who like pooping in the punch bowl.
Frankly, I don't care if he gets the job or not, but he's earned the right to be considered. If he gets the job, I'm on board with that. The kids like playing for him, he's got a good staff in place, a bunch of talent returning. Hiring CGH is not the end of the world, especially since many of the shiny candidates are officially off the board.
Nothing says we HAVE to hire the next guy and keep him 15 years. If it doesn't work out, just hire the next guy. No big deal. I think with the huge uptrend in baseball coaches salaries we're going to see more coaching turnover than we've seen historically anyway. I GUARANTEE there will be a "Mr Can't Miss" in 2020, 2021, 2022, etc.
Also, if we hire the next Big Thing there is no guarantee he wins big, or even does as well as Henderson, just like there's no guarantee this staff can't keep winning at MSU. Things are going well now and I, for one, am having a blast watching.
Agreed. I'm sure Cohen feels some responsibility for the Cann situation. The timing of Cohen's move to AD was pretty poor as well. Neither was directly Cohen's fault, but I'm sure he feels responsibility for initiating all this uncertainty in the baseball program. All the pressure is on him to make a good decision, and it keeps getting higher with every day that goes by. I trust that he is going to do what it best for the program.
Count me in the "give him the job" crowd.
It's not "give him a chance", BTW. He already had that and is still reaping the dividend. Players win games, agreed, but coaches put players in the position to win, give them an identity and confidence. I give Hendo 100% the credit for that.
This feels like a Kurt Warner situation to me. Go from sacking groceries to Super Bowl Champ. All he needed was a break...
Same with Coach Henderson. Now give him the job and let him grow the program.
It's not "give him a chance", BTW. He already had that and is still reaping the dividend. Players win games, agreed, but coaches put players in the position to win, give them an identity and confidence. I give Hendo 100% the credit for that.
This feels like a Kurt Warner situation to me. Go from sacking groceries to Super Bowl Champ. All he needed was a break...
Same with Coach Henderson. Now give him the job and let him grow the program.
"Overstating, Hysterical, Straw Man Tactics of an Over-Emotional Nancy With Her Panties-In-A-Wad", by renowned kneejerk poster truemaroongrind. Follow up to the equally ridiculous, "How And Why To Make Uninformed Decisions" & "Shallow-Thinking - A Case Against Doing Your Homework"
CGH does not have me triggered. I'll be very unhappy with the IB if he is given the HC job, but if he is, I'll support him 100%. Most of my comments are nothing more than responses to other's posts.
It's not as if I'm running around starting multiple threads on this,as are some on the other side of this debate. In my first posts about this, I credited CGH with properly taking a laid-back approach this year, and allowing the players leeway to get their own **** together. Unique situation this year, and that turned out to probably be the best approach, though it was one that happened to work (just barely) in part because of the lowered expectations on CGH and the team due to the Canni debacle.
We will not and do not want to be that kind of program ever again. We need to step up and take our place among the elites who go into every season reasonably expecting to compete for the conference championship...demanding that we HOST regionals and SR's most years and at least make a regional EVERY year. I don't want a coach who as an HC made just 2 regionals in 9 years prior to this year, never hosting a single won. Even this year's team had to go on an unreal tear just to make a regional, and this year's effort as an HC included the role in-season only. Being an HC is much more than just doing it after the season starts.
It does surprise me a little how ready some on this board are willing to "settle" for CGH based on this year's results, particularly since, "this year's results" hinged on the kind of hot streak that was very rare in it's combination of timing and length. It is Fool's Gold to think CGH as HC going forward is going to be years of constant hot streaks by our team.
It's not as if I'm running around starting multiple threads on this,as are some on the other side of this debate. In my first posts about this, I credited CGH with properly taking a laid-back approach this year, and allowing the players leeway to get their own **** together. Unique situation this year, and that turned out to probably be the best approach, though it was one that happened to work (just barely) in part because of the lowered expectations on CGH and the team due to the Canni debacle.
We will not and do not want to be that kind of program ever again. We need to step up and take our place among the elites who go into every season reasonably expecting to compete for the conference championship...demanding that we HOST regionals and SR's most years and at least make a regional EVERY year. I don't want a coach who as an HC made just 2 regionals in 9 years prior to this year, never hosting a single won. Even this year's team had to go on an unreal tear just to make a regional, and this year's effort as an HC included the role in-season only. Being an HC is much more than just doing it after the season starts.
It does surprise me a little how ready some on this board are willing to "settle" for CGH based on this year's results, particularly since, "this year's results" hinged on the kind of hot streak that was very rare in it's combination of timing and length. It is Fool's Gold to think CGH as HC going forward is going to be years of constant hot streaks by our team.
Pot..meet kettle. What a hypocrite!
First of all, it's not just me and Joe. There are plenty of others who feel the same way. The problem is several on your side of this issue have been the ones who got snotty with those of us on this side. Y'all want to post your position ad nauseam, yet give a ration of **** when our side responds and engages you in this debate.
Seems to me those on our side keep trying to offer years worth of data and facts to back up our position. We offer this in a way that directly correlates to CGH as a HC. Your side fails to do this, choosing instead to hyper-focus on the last 3 or so weeks, ignoring the coaching blunders from before, unwilling to accept th elast 3 weeks could very easily, even likely be due to reasons other than CGH being HC at the time they happened.
Your side emotional on the topic, ours not. Our side perhaps emotional when retaliating to attacks. See how that works?
So you're saying we shouldn't strive to be an elite program? That we should be satisfied with making somebody else's regional once every 4 years or so?
https://twitter.com/FrankFowlerSEC/status/1007269435563040768
This is a tweet with a clip of an interview this morning of Cohen talking to Peter Burns on Sirius Radio about Henderson and the coaching search.
Something for both sides: Cohen obviously appreciates Hendu as man and coach but this coaching search is about more than recent results and is about the long-term health and growth of the program.
This is a tweet with a clip of an interview this morning of Cohen talking to Peter Burns on Sirius Radio about Henderson and the coaching search.
Something for both sides: Cohen obviously appreciates Hendu as man and coach but this coaching search is about more than recent results and is about the long-term health and growth of the program.
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Never been about, "running him down". It's always been nothing more than a spirited debate about whether he should get the HC job or not. When I debate, I try to back up my opinion with relevant data, not just emotions. Since I don't think CGH is a great, much less elite HC, my data is not going to look good for him. But it's not about running him down.
Personally, I like the guy. I think he's a good man, a very likable, congenial, down-to-earth type I'd love to have a few beers with. I'm glad he's been able to experience this, and I truly hope he lands a nice HC job at a lower-level program that doesn't have the expectations we have here at MSU. But for our program, I hope we hire a guy that is now, or is expected to be an elite-level coach. We deserve no less.
Personally, I like the guy. I think he's a good man, a very likable, congenial, down-to-earth type I'd love to have a few beers with. I'm glad he's been able to experience this, and I truly hope he lands a nice HC job at a lower-level program that doesn't have the expectations we have here at MSU. But for our program, I hope we hire a guy that is now, or is expected to be an elite-level coach. We deserve no less.
Hypocrite? People on “my side”? Re-read my post, dubmass. I made it pretty clear that I am not even on a side as it relates to Henderson being named HC. The only “side” I am on (and have been on) is that Henderson has done an absolutely remarkable job THIS year with THIS team (Rawlings / Perfect Game evidently agree), and that Cohen has all the perspective needed to make the correct decision, whatever that is.
Then you turn around and call me (or “my side”) the emotional one, when you are so triggered with your Henderson hate that you didn’t even read my post before going on yet another rant about “3 WEEKS DON’T TRUMP 8 YEARS AT UK!!11!!!” manifesto. Pretty damn funny, actually.
No one on this board wants to run down Henderson. The guy has done a great job this year. However, no one with any sense is going to sit back and listen to people talk about how we should give the guy our full time gig simply because he did well this year, when literally every other piece of data from his previous head coaching stop suggests he is going to be a failure if he is given the full time job. In short, if people would stop saying he needs to be our full time coach, the other people would stop telling them why that's such a bad idea.
Yes, I enjoy mediocrityness. And yes, Kentucky is exactly like Mississippi State in baseball and we will be awful if Gary Henderson is head coach and we will never beat any top 5 teams and we will never win any regionals or super regionals and we will never make it to Omaha because the man is clearly incompetent and can't help his players improve and can't recruit talent in the first place so yes I'm settling in for a long long road of crappy baseball that will very likely last me the rest of my life.
You keep beating this dead horse that the only reason CGH wasn't very successful at UK was because it was UK, not MSU. Please explain McDonnell's success at Louisville? He took over a Louisville program that was in much worse shape than UK was when CGH took over.
McDonnell, in 11 years at Louisville:
10 Regionals
7 Super Regionals
4 CWS
CGH, in 8 years at UK:
2 Regionals
0 SR
0 CWS
Please explain Jim Schlossnagle at TCU. TCU was in much worse shape than UK when CJS took over.
CJS in 14 years at TCU:
13 Regionals
7 SR
6 CWS
It took 2 years for JC to build a program from the ashes at UK. His record following the 2-year build:
44 wins, 1st (East) Hosted a Regional
34 wins, 5th (East
44 wins, 3rd (East) Made a regional
Then CGH took over the reins and...
Henderson:
28 wins, 5th
31 wins, 4th
25 wins, 5th
45 wins, 2nd (This is what is known as an anomaly)
30 wins, 4th
37 wins, 4th
30 wins, 4th
32 wins, 4th
McDonnell, in 11 years at Louisville:
10 Regionals
7 Super Regionals
4 CWS
CGH, in 8 years at UK:
2 Regionals
0 SR
0 CWS
Please explain Jim Schlossnagle at TCU. TCU was in much worse shape than UK when CJS took over.
CJS in 14 years at TCU:
13 Regionals
7 SR
6 CWS
It took 2 years for JC to build a program from the ashes at UK. His record following the 2-year build:
44 wins, 1st (East) Hosted a Regional
34 wins, 5th (East
44 wins, 3rd (East) Made a regional
Then CGH took over the reins and...
Henderson:
28 wins, 5th
31 wins, 4th
25 wins, 5th
45 wins, 2nd (This is what is known as an anomaly)
30 wins, 4th
37 wins, 4th
30 wins, 4th
32 wins, 4th
And when you're done explaining McDonnell and Schloss, try Wayne Graham at Rice. Rice was a terrible program prior to CWG.
CWG in 28 years at Rice:
25 Regionals
11 SR
7 CWS
Maybe...just maybe, CGH wasn't very successful at UK because he isn't an elite HC.
CWG in 28 years at Rice:
25 Regionals
11 SR
7 CWS
Maybe...just maybe, CGH wasn't very successful at UK because he isn't an elite HC.
And when you're done with Wayne Graham, please explain Corky Palmer at Southern Miss.
CCP in 12 years at USM:
8 Regionals
1 SR
1 CWS
CCP in 12 years at USM:
8 Regionals
1 SR
1 CWS