Here is what I want to happen with this thing

[boatsandhoes]

I originally put this in another thread. I decided it needed it's own. I'm not being chicken little, but it is plain to see we need some changes. I don't think it's overreacting or knee jerk because this storm has been a brewing for a long while. It has nothing to do with omu, I will worry about them thanksgiving week and that's all. If it doesn't sting a little bit, then you're really not making any changes at all.

1. I want the best players to play, period! No 17ing politics! I love seniors too, but you have to earn your spot and keep it. this isn't showfriends it's showbusiness.
2. Give Les his severance tell him thank you, and hire a new young passionate OC. Give him the reigns of the whole offense. Let him hire is own Oline coach.
3. see #2 Give Hevesy his severance, and say thank you. Send the new Oline coach on the road immediately. we have to start getting some Oline kids in recruiting that can sustain a high level of play. Based on what I see over years and years we are not a very good judge of talent on the Oline. Sumptin gotta change there.
4. #2 should fix, no more vanilla play calling or sitting on a 3 point lead. Wide *** open no matter what the score. The only caveat is if we have a lead under two minutes run the ball, stay in bounds, and grind clock. Your smart enough to figure these caveats out if your a college OC.
5. No more prevent defense, either you play your normal defense until the horn or don't play at all.
6. Thank Bracky, and send him on his way. Hire a criminal defense attorney like Saul Goodman. Promptly send letter to NCAA that says "thanks for the bump and grind over the years, but 17 you things they are a changing. Good luck to ya."
7. Mullen has weekly consultations with the intense bastard (*Shumley) to go over coaching philosophy's and this past weeks decision making. Mullen moves to a CEO role.
8. Loafers (*Shumley) puts together a financial plan to get all of our assistants on par with the rest of the league. Either play hard or don't play. No half assing this thing anymore. You want to keep good people, you have to pay them.
9. I would keep Collins for now. If you do raise that DC salary on par with the rest of the league that does open up a lot of potential suitors. Collins is fine for now. Our problem is more points not what we have given up (so far).

This would be an excellent start, but reserve the right to add some things.

crediting source*Shumley for use of the term "loafers" and "the intense Bastard"

 

[TSUNBearHunter]

I originally put this in another thread. I decided it needed it's own. I'm not being chicken little, but it is plain to see we need some changes. I don't think it's overreacting or knee jerk because this storm has been a brewing for a long while. It has nothing to do with omu, I will worry about them thanksgiving week and that's all. If it doesn't sting a little bit, then you're really not making any changes at all.

1. I want the best players to play, period! No 17ing politics! I love seniors too, but you have to earn your spot and keep it. this isn't showfriends it's showbusiness.
2. Give Les his severance tell him thank you, and hire a new young passionate OC. Give him the reigns of the whole offense. Let him hire is own Oline coach.
3. see #2 Give Hevesy his severance, and say thank you. Send the new Oline coach on the road immediately. we have to start getting some Oline kids in recruiting that can sustain a high level of play. Based on what I see over years and years we are not a very good judge of talent on the Oline. Sumptin gotta change there.
4. #2 should fix, no more vanilla play calling or sitting on a 3 point lead. Wide *** open no matter what the score. The only caveat is if we have a lead under two minutes run the ball, stay in bounds, and grind clock. Your smart enough to figure these caveats out if your a college OC.
5. No more prevent defense, either you play your normal defense until the horn or don't play at all.
6. Thank Bracky, and send him on his way. Hire a criminal defense attorney like Saul Goodman. Promptly send letter to NCAA that says "thanks for the bump and grind over the years, but 17 you things they are a changing. Good luck to ya."
7. Mullen has weekly consultations with the intense bastard (*Shumley) to go over coaching philosophy's and this past weeks decision making. Mullen moves to a CEO role.
8. Loafers (*Shumley) puts together a financial plan to get all of our assistants on par with the rest of the league. Either play hard or don't play. No half assing this thing anymore. You want to keep good people, you have to pay them.
9. I would keep Collins for now. If you do raise that DC salary on par with the rest of the league that does open up a lot of potential suitors. Collins is fine for now. Our problem is more points not what we have given up (so far).

This would be an excellent start, but reserve the right to add some things.

crediting source*Shumley for use of the term "loafers" and "the intense Bastard"

1) This is an excuse generated by a group that feels a need to justify the issues. It can't be talent, conditioning, lack of commitment to the program, or laziness, right? It has to be seniority, right? It's the only explanation. Wrong. Do you guys really think Mullen or your DC are playing guys that aren't your best option on gameday? I heard the gripes about Cherrington last year, but the truth is, you don't really know if he was better or worse than the people you claimed should be starting in front of him (Evans and James). You've since learned that James and Evan have been shitheads, but some still insist that they should be starting, despite the fact that they may not being doing the necessary work in the classroom, weight room, or with conditioning. What evidence do you have that they have out performed or earned the right to start in front of Eulls or Jones, other than the recruiting stars that some of you claim don't matter anyway?

2) Les is another excuse. This is Dan Mullen's offense. You could hire another OC, but he'd still be a glorified QB coach and recruiter, both of which Les can do. Some of you are simply looking for a reason for this to be someone other than Dan's fault on offense. Dan has a Houston Nutt ego, but he doesn't have Nutt to push around any longer. He won't let another OC do their job. It's his offense.

3) I really can't blame you here, if reports about his attitude and arrogance are true. It sounds like he may be holding you back on the recruiting trail. At the same time, what talent does he have to work with other than Day and Jackson (a Croom recruit)? He was thought of as a good OL coach when he had Croom's OL to work with. Nothing has changed in the meantime, other than Croom's recruits moving on. Your offensive and OL issues are talent related. You've recruited very well on the defensive side of the ball, but there are no playmakers on offense and the OL is marginal outside of Jackson and Day.

4) I don't blame you for wanting to open the playbook a little. I thought this was a "Spread the Fun" offense, but its looking more like the "Gulf Coast Spread". However, everyone is clamoring for a Dak led offense. It's going to be hard to open the playbook in a Dak oriented offense at this point, as he is a little limited in the passing game until he gets some better WRs, OLs, and experience.

5) Everyone hates the prevent. Can't blame you there. The prevent is for 15+ point leads, not 4 point leads.

6) Just another excuse drummed up to explain problems away. There is a reason that "Political Hack" keeps beating this drum along with his new found flock. That guy has an ax to grind with Stricklin and Brett because he thinks they should have somehow protected him for being a dumbass. He, a small time booster claiming a false insider status, ****** up. He got caught, but he's convinced a group of fans that its your compliance directors fault. That's why he is now trying to convince anyone who will listen that there is this SEC wide conspiracy theory, led by Stricklin, to get Mullen out of the SEC. I laugh just typing it. And you should laugh too, but some act like he's credible when he is simply taking the spotlight off of his **** up. You, like us and every other SEC school, have big boosters who know how to handle recruits. Hack wants to be one of those guys and his overstepped his boundaries. He should leave the "recruiting" to the guys who know what they are doing. And I'm sure that's how your admin feels. It isn't necessarily Brett's fault that someone in your program keeps accusing other SEC schools of cheating. If you are going to do that, you better damn sure make sure your own house is in order before doing it. Look at the Chris Jones situation. You have your school accusing OM of making a big money offer to Jones, without considering that he didn't sign with you for free. Bringing attention to his situation could potentially open yourself to problems, despite how much a sheep wants to believe that Jones signed with you for free because he had some type of pre-existing love for MSU.

7) If I were Mullen and this season tanked, I'd definitely hire an OC and take the CEO role. If nothing else, it'd buy me some time and allow me to put the heat on my assistants if there was a problem. At the same time, I don't think his ego would ever allow an OC to run their own offense with him taking a hands off role.

8) As shown this week, your assistants pay if is the league with Florida, A&M, UT and others. Your staff as a whole is paid $143,850 less than Texas A&M's. That's only roughly $11k per staff member. $11k difference isn't much when you consider that almost all of these guys are making $200k to $325k each. Do you really expect MSU to pay a lot more than UT, A&M, Ark, Florida, and others or do you not understand where your budget ranks compared to those schools? It's easy to say that you'll just have to spend more money to ever catch up, but that money has to come from somewhere. It's especially hard when you are in the middle of a huge renovation.

9) As I've said before, I wouldn't pay a current DC more until he proved himself. That's still up for debate right now. If you are looking to attract a new DC, you may offer him more money than Collins when that search begins. Bumping Collins pay now with the illusion that it will attract a better DC makes absolutely zero sense. Why would anyone bump the pay of one person in an effort to attract another. If you need to attract another, the last thing you should do is bump the pay of the guy you are talking of releasing.

 

[Heawww]

1) This is an excuse generated by a group that feels a need to justify the issues. It can't be talent, conditioning, lack of commitment to the program, or laziness, right? It has to be seniority, right? It's the only explanation. Wrong. Do you guys really thing Mullen or your DC are playing guys that aren't your best option on gameday? I heard the gripes about Cherrington last year, but the truth is, you don't really know if he was better or worse than the people you claimed should be starting in front of him (Evans and James). You've since learned that James and Evan have been shitheads, but some still insist that they should be starting, despite the fact that they may not being doing the necessary work in the classroom, weight room, or with conditioning. What evidence do you have that they have out performed or earned the right to start in front of Eulls or Jones, other than the recruiting stars that some of you claim don't matter anyway?

I can't believe I agree with this clown, but I do. Especially with the quote I included here.

But make no mistake, I know it serves his own agenda. But in this particular case, it serves mine too, and that's that many MSU fans overlook the real problems.

Bottom line, we aren't showing the killer instinct. Doing what it takes to go out and win the damn game. Auburn made those plays. Our guys fall down if someone swipes their arm across them. Auburn's guys dropped the ball, picked that **** up, and threw a TD pass. In all honesty I was really impressed by that.

Is it coaching? Who the f*ck knows. But it seems to me Mullen will only win if it's done his way. He needs to finding EVERY way possible to put points on the board. His ego sucks right now. But firing the damn coach isn't always the answer.

Mullen can win here, and probably win big. But he's got to get out of this funk, and back into form. We've got good, young players in the fold who can beat people. Mullen has to allow them to do it.

 

[KurtRambis4]

Thank you for showing us the light**

*

 

[boatsandhoes]

To yours:

1. It happens at the Dallas Cowboys so I'll betcha it happens everywhere. I know some NFL players and some involved in the NFL. If it happens with the pressure there, then it surely happens here. Get in good with your position coach and your golden. Yes, I think it is very possible Mullen might not play our best players. I am not at our practice everyday. I grant there are tangents of personal laziness, lack of effort, refusing to learn your assignment, lacking football smarts, etc that come in to play even if you are a world beater. Isn't that coaching though? Getting someone like Quay in line. Lots of good coaches do it. That's why I want more of a CEO role for him more time for that.

2. No. Mullen has to let go of the offense, ignoring the fact that he probably would be to stubborn to do so. Sometimes you are your own worst enemy. Hire someone who knows how to run a college offense and let him do it.

3. He's had time to recruit, chose his players, and develop them. I am not impressed. I can't pinpoint if he can't develop or if the guys he chooses don't have it. Either way the product is lacking.

4. I like our WR's. See #2

5. No comment

6. We have to get better here. It is my choice to go about it a different way. I don't care about your other ramblings. The rest of your nonsense here is a different discussion.

7. Agree, and ego would be a problem.

8. Agree mostly. If a guy preforms then pay him. The revolving door of coordinator will never solve anything. It is easier said than done, yes.

9. Maybe I should have been more clear. I didn't mean bump collins now. Evaluate after the season and decide. Either way we have to increase pay more for the DC in time. If he produces, which imo he has done his job so far. Pay him. Our DC pay was far below the rest of the league. We're never getting John Chavous but we can get good guys here. That part of the assistants chart was lacking.

 

[TSUNBearHunter]

And thank you for never having anything of substance to say.

 

[KurtRambis4]

Ok.

Next time I'll add something like "Well you're wrong because I workout with Coach Mullen, and he said otherwise."

 

[TSUNBearHunter]

It's all you have, dude.

You can't debate the points, so you have to come at me. You called me a ***** the other day. Think about that...you called a guy on a message board a *****. You must have some big balls. And for all the grief you want to give me, you are my own personal message board stalker. Congrats.

And you might want to tell your elementary school copycat media department that he is a "cornerback coach".

 

[johnson86-1]

1) This is an excuse generated by a group that feels a need to justify the issues. It can't be talent, conditioning, lack of commitment to the program, or laziness, right? It has to be seniority, right? It's the only explanation.

There are plenty of potential non-loyalty related explanations for why Cherry played last year when he didnt' belong in the SEC (and those reasons are probably the real reasons).

I'm not sure there are good reasons for using Perk as our between the tackles runner other than being either too loyal or placing too much emphasis on effort. You reward superior effort with extra carries, but you don't let it completely override talent.

I'm also not sure what the deal is with Dak's playing time. Russell is the better qb, but since we're screwing Russell with play calling anyway, and Dak appears to be a model citizen, I'm not sure why we wouldn't have used him much more in the Egg bowl, Gator Bowl, and against OKSt. Especially considering that Russell played poorly against Northwestern and Ok St. Dak should have been getting 25-30% of the snaps in those games.

 

[Heawww]

Look, man, it really is simple, if you quit making excuses. Cherry played because there was no real disparity between he and James/Evans/others. Same with QB. When all things are equal, you go with the older players. That's how it works. All the Dak lovers out there, we still lost the damn game Saturday against a team we better than. So it doesn't matter.

You want to know why Perk got the carries last year? Because he was our best option. Now it seems other RBs are getting carries. So why the hostility?

 

[KurtRambis4]

You

calling someone a stalker is hilarious. This coming from a clown that catalogs every post of evey poster on a rival's message board. You give yourself way too much credit. I just enjoy reminding everyone how big of an idiot you are.