Here is why I call the media incompetent

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Last week @WVU82 posted details of a bill Congress passed (House) repealing Dodd-Frank. The legislation is designed to undo the massive damage that law has done to community banking and other financial services that are restricting access to capital in this country which retards small business growth that also happens to be the biggest supplier of new jobs.

The Media virtually ignored passage of that bill.

Yesterday, the Senate passed out an important bill reforming the VA, essentially making it easier to fire incompetent employees and hold administrators accountable for not giving our Vets the care they've earned. It accomplishes this in part by making it easier for employees to call these incompetent people out (whistle blowers) without fear of recriminations.

Again the media has essentially been silent about this.

Both of these pieces of legislation, are very important fixing real problems in the country that are more significant in terms of the number of people they will impact than the ongoing "Trump colluded with Russians and obstructed to hide it" daily drama we are bombarded with and still no hard evidence yet to surface. Despite that, the media doggedly pursues its allegations (no one else is making them) in search of a possible scandal to cover up non existent evidence.

Incompetence is not only demonstrating an inability to adequately perform tasks one is hired to do, but also not being able to recognize how to properly perform them. Like calling in an HVAC man to fix your non running a/c unit and he's trying to convince you to have your house rewired!

There have been other important bills passed on environmental legislation, energy reform, health care reform, judicial nominations, and a host of other important initiatives that significantly impact the nation yet the media essentially ignores them preferring in its zeal only to smear Trump.

There is an information crisis in this country. It's not only being fed by blatant bias and corruption in a news media that is more ideologically driven than driven to provide truthful, accurate information... it is also an information crisis being fed by rampant & unmitigated media incompetence.
 
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Do you live under a rock?

Last week @WVU82 posted details of a bill Congress passed (House) repealing Dodd-Frank. The legislation is designed to undo the massive damage that law has done to community banking and other financial services that are restricting access to capital in this country which retards small business growth that also happens to be the biggest supplier of new jobs.

The Media virtually ignored passage of that bill.
http://money.cnn.com/2017/06/08/news/economy/house-dodd-frank-repeal/index.html
http://www.npr.org/2017/06/08/53203...at-reversing-dodd-frank-financial-regulations
http://www.latimes.com/business/la-fi-dodd-frank-repeal-20170608-story.html
https://www.usatoday.com/story/money/2017/06/08/house-passes-bill-dismantle-dodd-frank/102643024/
https://www.nytimes.com/2017/06/08/business/dealbook/house-financial-regulations-dodd-frank.html


Yesterday, the House passed an important bill reforming the VA, essentially making it easier to fire incompetent employees and hold administrators accountable for not giving our Vets the care they've earned. It accomplishes this in part by making it easier for employees to call these incompetent people out (whistleblowers) without fear of recriminations.

Again the media has essentially been silent about this.

Here is yesterday's run down of the House: http://clerk.house.gov/floorsummary/floor.aspx
Nothing on them reconciling with the Senate version passed last week.
 

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No I don't Cooper. I didn't say the stories weren't reported (I knew about them, you certainly did) but they are being essentially ignored by the vast majority of major media.

Link me to those stories where most folks get their news. ABC, NBC, CNN, CBS, etc. You are good, you don't consult those sources for your primary information and I applaud that, but I'm suggesting the vast majority of folks are unaware of these important pieces of legislation.

You're informed, do you know who Trump's nominees to the Federal circuit courts are? Is that being reported? Do you know who the players are being named in Trump's minority community outreach initiatives to revitalize small businesses in inner cites? Do you even know about it? Has THAT been reported?

Who are the principles involved in ongoing education reform and the school choice initiatives Betsy DeVoss is spearheading? What are the main elements behind Dr. Ben Carson's intitiatives to reform HUD grants to NGO's? Who's been tapped to lead Trump's drive to privatize Air traffic controllers? Where are those stories Cooper?

Do you live under a rock?
 
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No I don't Cooper. I didn't say the stories weren't reported (I knew about them, you certainly did) but they are being essentially ignored by the vast majority of major media.

Link me to those stories where most folks get their news. ABC, NBC, CNN, CBS, etc. You are good, you don't consult those sources for your primary information and I applaud that, but I'm suggesting the vast majority of folks are unaware of these important pieces of legislation.

You're informed, do you know who Trump's nominees to the Federal circuit courts are? Is that being reported? Do you know who the players are being named in Trump's minority community outreach initiatives to revitalize small businesses in inner cites? Do you even know about it? Has THAT been reported?

Who are the principles involved in ongoing education reform and the school choice initiatives Betsy DeVoss is spearheading? What are the main elements behind Dr. Carson's intitiatives to reform HUD grants to NGO's? Who's been tapped to lead Trump's drive to privatize Air traffic controllers? Where are those stories Cooper?

Do you live under a rock?

I don't live under a rock, I live in the real world. I don't go whine and make sh*t up because the mean old MSM isn't fellating Dear Leader Trump. All of those stories are a quick Google away from all sort of credible links on your subjects. News shows/networks/papers/sites are still for profit, as far as I can tell. Are you suggesting they should report on what you see as fair, even if it hurts their bottom line? Commie.
 

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I don't live under a rock, I live in the real world. I don't go whine and make sh*t up because the mean old MSM isn't fellating Dear Leader Trump. All of those stories are a quick Google away from all sort of credible links on your subjects. News shows/networks/papers/sites are still for profit, as far as I can tell. Are you suggesting they should report on what you see as fair, even if it hurts their bottom line? Commie.

No Coop, they can do what they want and report on whatever they want. I'm glad those alternative sources are avaialble because if they weren't I would be living under a rock.

No Man, I'm not whinning. I'm making an observation. I respect free speech and the market. I'm actually glad the major media is as incompetent as they are, because they are fast becoming irrelevant in terms of being reliable sources of information.

You're right Google, alternative media, blogs, podcasts, financial websites, and scores of other sources of reliable information are out there and avaialble for those who truly want to be informed.

You made the charge I live under a rock Coop, so tell me why don't you know about Trump's minority outreach?

Are you a racist?
 

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No Coop, they can do what they want and report on whatever they want. I'm glad those alternative sources are avaialble because if they weren't I would be living under a rock.

No Man, I'm not whinning. I'm making an observation. I respect free speech and the market. I'm actually glad the major media is as incompetent as they are, because they are fast becoming irrelevant in terms of being reliable sources of information.

You're right Google, alternative media, blogs, podcasts, financial websites, and scores of other sources of reliable information are out there and avaialble for those who truly want to be informed.

You made the charge I live under a rock Coop, so tell me why don't you know about Trump's minority outreach?

Are you a racist?
Playing the racist card in post 4 of a thread. That's pretty damn quick. I think we have a new snowflake!! Best of luck to you on your crusade, just wanted to point out the obvious lies/flaws/wrongs in your first post.
 

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No Coop, they can do what they want and report on whatever they want. I'm glad those alternative sources are avaialble because if they weren't I would be living under a rock.

No Man, I'm not whinning. I'm making an observation. I respect free speech and the market. I'm actually glad the major media is as incompetent as they are, because they are fast becoming irrelevant in terms of being reliable sources of information.

You're right Google, alternative media, blogs, podcasts, financial websites, and scores of other sources of reliable information are out there and avaialble for those who truly want to be informed.

You made the charge I live under a rock Coop, so tell me why don't you know about Trump's minority outreach?

Are you a racist?
Playing the racist card in post 4 of a thread. That's pretty damn quick. I think we have a new snowflake!! Best of luck to you on your crusade, just wanted to point out the obvious lies/flaws/wrongs in your first post.

You do sound like a butt hurt racist.
 

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Playing the racist card in post 4 of a thread. That's pretty damn quick. I think we have a new snowflake!! Best of luck to you on your crusade, just wanted to point out the obvious lies/flaws/wrongs in your first post.

You asked me if I lived under a Rock Coop. Cool.

I asked if you were a racist for living under one? You never even had the courage to answer my question to you. (Why don't you know about Trump's minority outreach?)

Is it because you don't care enough to find out about it, or is it because you're not being told about it which ironically proves the point in my original post.

There wasn't one "lie" I told in that post. In fact you proved my point because you didn't know about half of the information I posted although you did correctly state the information is available for those interested enough to find out about it.

My point was the media is not interested in it, and because they aren't neither are you.


Point made, point proved.
 

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You do sound like a butt hurt racist.

Now why would I be "butt hurt"? Over what?

I'm absolutely thrilled about Trump's minority outreach. He's doing something in my community 50 years of Democrat lies and promises have never produced for most Black folks.

Hope.

It won't be easy, but if he can pull this off your party is finished and the only ones with "butt hurt" will be you Leftists who still vote Democrat. Black folks will finally see what frauds Democrats are and have been. They'll start voting Republican, and you Leftists will be so "butt hurt" over that, you won't be able to sit down and stop your whining about it.
 
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You asked me if I lived under a Rock Coop. Cool.

I asked if you were a racist for living under one? You never even had the courage to answer my question to you. (Why don't you know about Trump's minority outreach?)

Is it because you don't care enough to find out about it, or is it because you're not being told about it which ironically proves the point in my original post.

There wasn't one "lie" I told in that post. In fact you proved my point because you didn't know about half of the information I posted although you did correctly state the information is available for those interested enough to find out about it.

My point was the media is not interested in it, and because they aren't neither are you.


Point made, point proved.
lol
 

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You do sound like a butt hurt racist.

Now why would I be "butt hurt"? Over what?

I'm absolutely thrilled about Trump's minority outreach. He's doing something in my community 50 years of Democrat lies and promises have never produced for most Black folks.

Hope.

It won't be easy, but if he can pull this off you're party is finished and the only ones with "butt hurt" will be you Leftists who still vote Democrat.

I was talking to the racist coop.
 

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Here is yesterday's run down of the House: http://clerk.house.gov/floorsummary/floor.aspx
Nothing on them reconciling with the Senate version passed last week.

It was voted out of committee in the house and scheduled for a floor vote. It's actually already passed in the House...but of course you weren't told about it in the major media so that's probably why you didn't know that Coop.

https://veterans.house.gov/news/documentsingle.aspx?DocumentID=1786[/QUOTE]
I was told that. I was well aware of that. Hence my use of the term reconcile, which is what happens when the Senate sends the bill back to the house with changes.
 

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It was voted out of committee in the house and scheduled for a floor vote. It's actually already passed in the House...but of course you weren't told about it in the major media so that's probably why you didn't know that Coop.

https://veterans.house.gov/news/documentsingle.aspx?DocumentID=1786
I was told that. I was well aware of that. Hence my use of the term reconcile, which is what happens when the Senate sends the bill back to the house with changes.[/QUOTE]

Correct. Good for you Coop. A+ :clap:

Now link me to the ABC, CNN, CBS, MSNBC, NBC piece explaining to other Americans such as yourself what's behind this important piece of legislation?

How did you find out about it?
 
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You're informed, do you know who Trump's nominees to the Federal circuit courts are? Is that being reported? Do you know who the players are being named in Trump's minority community outreach initiatives to revitalize small businesses in inner cites? Do you even know about it? Has THAT been reported?

Who are the principles involved in ongoing education reform and the school choice initiatives Betsy DeVoss is spearheading? What are the main elements behind Dr. Ben Carson's intitiatives to reform HUD grants to NGO's? Who's been tapped to lead Trump's drive to privatize Air traffic controllers? Where are those stories Cooper?

They (the administration) missed a golden opportunity at yesterday's cabinet meeting to get that information to all Americans. It's a shame they were too busy giving little hands donnie a blow job.
 

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They (the administration) missed a golden opportunity at yesterday's cabinet meeting to get that information to all Americans. It's a shame they were too busy giving little hands donnie a blow job.

Well the information is out there, and I'd agree with you countryroads89 it was important enough to tell the American people about it.

However you folks on the Left insist Trump's not doing anything, so I think they (administration) chose to use their time assuring the American people they are indeed still working, are happy, are successful, and looking forward to tackling more of the challenges ahead of 'em.

It was a huge "in your face" to all of the media speculation that the staff is in disarray, angry, unmotivated, unfocused, undisciplined and incompetent.

More "fake news"
 

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I was told that. I was well aware of that. Hence my use of the term reconcile, which is what happens when the Senate sends the bill back to the house with changes.
Correct. Good for you Coop. A+ :clap:

Now link me to the ABC, CNN, CBS, MSNBC, NBC piece explaining to other Americans such as yourself what's behind this important piece of legislation?

How did you find out about it?
http://abcnews.go.com/Health/wireStory/senate-poised-make-firing-va-employees-easier-47870877


I'd search more, but you're right....it really doesn't interest me to keep a scorecard of what news outlet covers what. I learned about it from my local paper. I get most of my news from local paper/news, trade pubs in my field, social media and this hell hole. How anyone would willingly watch any cable news network (outside of a major breaking event) absolutely baffles me.
 

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http://abcnews.go.com/Health/wireStory/senate-poised-make-firing-va-employees-easier-47870877


I'd search more, but you're right....it really doesn't interest me to keep a scorecard of what news outlet covers what. I learned about it from my local paper. I get most of my news from local paper/news, trade pubs in my field, social media and this hell hole. How anyone would willingly watch any cable news network (outside of a major breaking event) absolutely baffles me.


I agree with you. That story you linked to unfortunately wasn't on the major network, but at least it's out there and you had access to it.

I'm with you Coop....I turned off ALL T-V news. I go mostly to the Web, I stream podcasts, read financial publications, and of course share information sources here on the OT forum.
 

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FYI Coop

On Trump's minority outreach
http://www.cleveland.com/opinion/index.ssf/2016/12/how_ben_carson_and_hud_might_f.html

On Dr. Carson's ongoing efforts to reform HUD management of NGO's
https://www.gpo.gov/fdsys/pkg/GAOREPORTS-T-RCED-98-185/html/GAOREPORTS-T-RCED-98-185.htm

Dr. Carson explains his "philosophy" to reform HUD's approach assisting Americans:
http://www.foxnews.com/politics/201...eople-dont-like-change-like-comfort-zone.html

Small business owners enthusiastic about Trump's plan to reform tax code
http://www.cnbc.com/2017/06/09/the-reason-small-business-owners-love-trumps-tax-plan.html
(article not the female talking head)
 
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Maybe after 8 years the MSM is tired of "fellating".

Obama would go to the header and take a dump (figuratively) and it was "lead story". There was very little criticism of his legislative proposals, but they almost always were dutifully reported with enthusiastic support.

No analysis, just cheer leading over their good "intentions"

No problem promoting, even encouraging support for important pieces of legislation. But why so one sided?

With Trump, only negative reporting...no "cheeerleading" and in the rare event any of his legislative proposals are actually reported, they are presented with questions, speculations, or criticisms from detractors instead of either explained or simply presented with factual data about their purpose or proposed impact.

Bias and incompetence.
 

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Possibly. I don't know why anyone would be that focused on it then either. The Google and interweb machines aren't that new.

The web and alternative news will soon obviate the need for major broadcast media as a primary information source.

Their business model will be replaced by more accurate, timely, comprehensive, relevant, and reliable information sources and that will be good for the country.
 

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Possibly. I don't know why anyone would be that focused on it then either. The Google and interweb machines aren't that new.

Because the main stream media broadcasts reach an enormous number of people and is their primary or in some cases only source of news. Because the main stream media is supposed to be independent and present relevant news from both perspectives. I disagree with ATL a bit, yes, they are incompetent, but mainly they are corrupt. CNN has a 93% negative story coverage of Trump. Trump has certainly deserved some of it with this tweets but 93% is simply outrageous. CNN knows exactly what they are doing, thus they are not simply stupid, they are corrupt. Same with ABC, CBS and NBC, NY Times and Wash Post.
 

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The web and alternative news will soon obviate the need for major broadcast media as a primary information source.

Their business model will be replaced by more accurate, timely, comprehensive, relevant, and reliable information sources and that will be good for the country.

I don't disagree as the population ages and the people that rely on the main stream media pass. But we are a ways away from that.
 

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The web and alternative news will soon obviate the need for major broadcast media as a primary information source.

Their business model will be replaced by more accurate, timely, comprehensive, relevant, and reliable information sources and that will be good for the country.
I believe the local news is more important, but agree. I mean right now about 20 million people watch the big 3 nightly news. Majority of those 20 million people are old coots. I'm sure the networks will find away to keep their programs profitable, but their influence will only continue to wane.
 

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Because the main stream media broadcasts reach an enormous number of people and is their primary or in some cases only source of news. Because the main stream media is supposed to be independent and present relevant news from both perspectives. I disagree with ATL a bit, yes, they are incompetent, but mainly they are corrupt. CNN has a 93% negative story coverage of Trump. Trump has certainly deserved some of it with this tweets but 93% is simply outrageous. CNN knows exactly what they are doing, thus they are not simply stupid, they are corrupt. Same with ABC, CBS and NBC, NY Times and Wash Post.

You and I see the same things with them Pax but from different perspectives.

Corruption as you correctly point out suggests known bias or an ideological preference. I don't really have a problem with that as long as they are honest about it. You're right, they hide behind "objectivity" but they are clearly anti-Trump.

Incompetence to me is ignoring important pieces of legislation that effect many more people. Missing important aspects of major initiatives. Refusing to report important facts, or missing the significance behind major pieces of legislation. (like Dodd Frank)

Yes that's corrupt, but it's also the epitome of failure to do the job Journalists are trained to do. It's one thing to have bias and shape stories to fit your opinions of them. It's quite another to not even realize what is or isn't news.

That's incompetence.
 

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You and I see the same things with them Pax but from different perspectives.

Corruption as you correctly point out suggests known bias or an ideological preference. I don't really have a problem with that as long as they are honest about it. You're right, they hide behind "objectivity" but they are clearly anti-Trump.

Incompetence to me is ignoring important pieces of legislation that effect many more people. Missing important aspects of major initiatives. Refusing to report important facts, or missing the significance of behind major pieces of legislation.

Yes that's corrupt, but it's also the epitome of failure to do the job Journalists are trained to do. It's one thing to have bias and shape stories to fit your opinions of them. It's quite another to not even realize what is or isn't news.

That's incompetence.

As I mentioned in an earlier post, my oldest daughter graduated from the Cronkite School in strategic media. She was hired by ABC News in DC. She interviewed Congressmen and Senators and had a wonderful time (internship).

Of all the employees at that network, she felt she was the only conservative. In fact, her boss on her last day, told her they were thrilled with her work because she brought a different perspective (conservative) and he hoped ABC would diversify their newsroom (he was African American). She had a great relationship with him.
 

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Exactly. 20 million viewers. 128 million voters. Nightly news shows are nothing more than a cash cow for their parent corporations. Let the free markets be.

A little misleading. 20 million viewers each night. You are assuming they are all the same viewers. More importantly, their stories are picked up by all kinds of other media from blogs to newspapers. Their influence is vastly stronger than just their nightly viewership.
 

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A little misleading. 20 million viewers each night. You are assuming they are all the same viewers. More importantly, their stories are picked up by all kinds of other media from blogs to newspapers. Their influence is vastly stronger than just their nightly viewership.

I would say not too long ago that television media had more influence than newspapers. Within the last couple of years I'd say it switched back to newspapers. People don't sit in front of the boob tube like they used to.
 

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I would say not too long ago that television media had more influence than newspapers. Within the last couple of years I'd say it switched back to newspapers. People don't sit in front of the boob tube like they used to.

Actually, I think newspapers are dying a slow, painful death. It is only a matter of time before the digital news revolution takes over. And many of the major newspapers haven't figured out how to make much money in this new era.
 

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Actually, I think newspapers are dying a slow, painful death. It is only a matter of time before the digital news revolution takes over. And many of the major newspapers haven't figured out how to make much money in this new era.

I wasn't talking business model, just influence. I agree.