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since that team, Miles didn't beat a top 25 team last year in the regular season and hasn't beaten one this year according to the current rankings.
And the casual reference to Saban having to rebuild the program vs. Miles inheriting the national power Saban created gets understatement of the year.
LSU lost 13 of 18 games before Saban took over.
And the casual reference to Saban having to rebuild the program vs. Miles inheriting the national power Saban created gets understatement of the year.
LSU lost 13 of 18 games before Saban took over.
that 2007 game was us against the **** sandwich Mike Shula left behind. Croom beat Shula too. In 2008, it was a different story.
Saban is an outstanding defensive coach. And good defensive coaches have always made SEC schools win- Tooberville at Mississippi and Auburn, JLD made Mississippi better and helped fuel our run in the late 90's, Saban at LSU and now Bammer, Chavis all those years at Tennessee and now LSU...
The South is full of big, athletic guys that can run. And somebody should have told Crooms you can find a defensive player on every street corner in Miami, not WR's....
Saban wins because of great D and recruiting...Miles slipped last year due to being left with inexperienced QB's and a bad hire to run his D...he didnt make the same mistake twice, hiring Chavis and what do you know- they are 7-1, ranked 9th, and playing for the SEC West title this weekend.
The South is full of big, athletic guys that can run. And somebody should have told Crooms you can find a defensive player on every street corner in Miami, not WR's....
Saban wins because of great D and recruiting...Miles slipped last year due to being left with inexperienced QB's and a bad hire to run his D...he didnt make the same mistake twice, hiring Chavis and what do you know- they are 7-1, ranked 9th, and playing for the SEC West title this weekend.
hey, I prefer the offensive approach myself, but you can't deny the power of SEC defenses. Hell, look at Spurrier's DC's- Stoops, Zook, and Johnson- Spurrier's offense is terrible right now, but EJ is keeping them respectable...Hell, Meyer's first title was with an average O but a hellacious D
What about Bammer under Stallings? Offensive juggarnaut? Hardly....
History just shows the power of SEC defenses on having college success
What about Bammer under Stallings? Offensive juggarnaut? Hardly....
History just shows the power of SEC defenses on having college success
Saban took over a 6-6 team and then went 6-6...plenty of room for growth...
Miles was busy winning 11 games a season...only place to go is down
Miles had the QB situation blow up on him, made a bad defensive hire, and lost alot of great players...Hell, ask Pete Carroll about the importance of an experienced QB and losing alot of defensive starters..
LSU is still LSU and ranked 9th in the nation...they are going to win 10 games in 2009- and make a run next year for the SEC title when Bammer has to go there and play...I'm just not seeing how that is a bad thing
Miles was busy winning 11 games a season...only place to go is down
Miles had the QB situation blow up on him, made a bad defensive hire, and lost alot of great players...Hell, ask Pete Carroll about the importance of an experienced QB and losing alot of defensive starters..
LSU is still LSU and ranked 9th in the nation...they are going to win 10 games in 2009- and make a run next year for the SEC title when Bammer has to go there and play...I'm just not seeing how that is a bad thing
But that doesn't change the fact that Miles is a hell of a coach as well. He's 5 years into his career at LSU and, as Coach34 points out, is 7-1 and ranked #9 and will win 10 games AGAIN this year. He's definitely not doing that with Saban's recruits.KurtRambis4 said:
I don't think you'll find anyone that knows anything about football that thinks Miles isn't a good coach. I think the argument has been based on who is the better HEAD coach. In my mind, that is Saban. I just think it's harder to turn a program that is down on its luck into a national powerhouse, than to maintain a national powerhouses' level. I could be wrong, it wouldn't be the first time.</p>
"I just think it's harder to turn a program that is down on its luck into a national powerhouse"
Bammer was a bowl team year after year before Saban got there. They had won 16 games in the previous two seasons. Thats not really "down on your luck"
"than to maintain a national powerhouses' level."
How is Rich Rodriguez's replacement doing at keeping West Virginia in the hunt for the top 10 since he left? And Nebraska disagrees as well
Bammer was a bowl team year after year before Saban got there. They had won 16 games in the previous two seasons. Thats not really "down on your luck"
"than to maintain a national powerhouses' level."
How is Rich Rodriguez's replacement doing at keeping West Virginia in the hunt for the top 10 since he left? And Nebraska disagrees as well
think alabama's level of play right now is where it was before Saban got there, i just got nothing for you.
but its not like he made State into an SEC contender for the title either. Bammer won 10 games just a season before he got there.
But history shows us that after very successful coaches leave, their replacements rarely do as well- Nebraska, WV, Zook at Fla, Coker tumbling at Miami, whomever after Switzer at Oklahoma, Dubose after Stallings...yet Miles has done better than Saban. That says alot
But history shows us that after very successful coaches leave, their replacements rarely do as well- Nebraska, WV, Zook at Fla, Coker tumbling at Miami, whomever after Switzer at Oklahoma, Dubose after Stallings...yet Miles has done better than Saban. That says alot
Nobody, at least not me, is sayingLes isn't a good coach. Everyone is just of the opinion that Nick is a better HEAD coach.
All that needs to be said, if you watch the games an know football, you should realize that LSU is trending downward and Bama will win the West 3 out of every 4 years Saban is there. Bama had been to Atlanta once in 11 years before Saban, so basically they were dormant, just like LSU was before he got there (even w/ Shula's ONE good year.)8Dog said:
Saban left the LSU roster more stocked than any in the history of college football, Miles inherited the best situation of any coach you'll ever find.
The program is just now starting to show cracks. Don't give me the bs about they're 7-1 and ranked 9th, MSU dominated them and they could've easily lost to UGA, and I'd bet money they'll lose to either Arky or OM, if not both (leaving them short of 10 wins)
Saban isn't having any trouble winning with a first year starter at QB, this will be the second straight year he goes undefeated in the regular season. As long as he's there, Bama will dominate more and more, and LSU will become less and less a factor (MSU and Arky will challenge for the West as much as LSU in the future)
"if you watch the games an know football, you should realize that LSU is trending downward"
"Don't give me the bs about they're 7-1 and ranked 9th, MSU dominated them and they could've easily lost to UGA, and I'd bet money they'll lose to either Arky or OM, if not both (leaving them short of 10 wins)"
Auburn dominated us AND Mississippi, yet LSU Skull-17'ed them....we also played Fla into the 4th quarter, who beat Tennessee much worse than Bammer did.
All that stuff is a bunch of crap. Every Saturday is different. I expect Bammer to win a close one because they have had the week off and are playing at home. Also, if you will go back and look, Bammer has fixed it to have the week off before playing LSU. They didnt do that before Saban. Saban knows he needs two weeks to get ready for Miles and the Tigers.
But it will be a close game Saturday.
"Don't give me the bs about they're 7-1 and ranked 9th, MSU dominated them and they could've easily lost to UGA, and I'd bet money they'll lose to either Arky or OM, if not both (leaving them short of 10 wins)"
Auburn dominated us AND Mississippi, yet LSU Skull-17'ed them....we also played Fla into the 4th quarter, who beat Tennessee much worse than Bammer did.
All that stuff is a bunch of crap. Every Saturday is different. I expect Bammer to win a close one because they have had the week off and are playing at home. Also, if you will go back and look, Bammer has fixed it to have the week off before playing LSU. They didnt do that before Saban. Saban knows he needs two weeks to get ready for Miles and the Tigers.
But it will be a close game Saturday.
and I'd like to hear 10 teams you think are better than they are...they arent the same team now that we played- ask Auburn...that game should have been 38-3
Saban has struggled to beat SC and Tennessee- why you people think they are suddenly going to blow out LSU who is better than both of those is beyond me
Saban has struggled to beat SC and Tennessee- why you people think they are suddenly going to blow out LSU who is better than both of those is beyond me
don't remember it. Maybe a few people. You'll have to show me. You're still missing the point, regardless.
You can't really cite Auburn as a big win either, b/c they've obviously gotten worse as the season has gone on, losing to UK and blown out by Arky.
So you're right about every Saturday being different, and although Bama has had ONE close game, they are the most consistent team. UF didn't really handle UT, that was a close game too, and in my opinion, UT is better than LSU right now, they're more consistent on defense, better run game, and Crompton is starting to play better (again, don't cite the Auburn game)
It looks about as obvious to me that LSU's ranking is about as undeserved as OM's #4 was. They without a doubt should have one more loss, so would you be singing the same tune if they were 6-2 w/ a loss to MSU? If they had lost to MSU like they should have, 8-4 would be the best they could do this year, b/c I think it's highly likely they lose to either OM or Ark.
And I don't see this weekend's game being a blowout per se, but a lot like the OM/Bama game (14-21 pt win). I just don't see LSU scoring that much on Bama, and if Bama's offense keeps getting opportunities and short fields, they could put up 24-31 points</p>
So you're right about every Saturday being different, and although Bama has had ONE close game, they are the most consistent team. UF didn't really handle UT, that was a close game too, and in my opinion, UT is better than LSU right now, they're more consistent on defense, better run game, and Crompton is starting to play better (again, don't cite the Auburn game)
It looks about as obvious to me that LSU's ranking is about as undeserved as OM's #4 was. They without a doubt should have one more loss, so would you be singing the same tune if they were 6-2 w/ a loss to MSU? If they had lost to MSU like they should have, 8-4 would be the best they could do this year, b/c I think it's highly likely they lose to either OM or Ark.
And I don't see this weekend's game being a blowout per se, but a lot like the OM/Bama game (14-21 pt win). I just don't see LSU scoring that much on Bama, and if Bama's offense keeps getting opportunities and short fields, they could put up 24-31 points</p>
LSU is very, very talented. They have some unbelievable athletes like Brandon LaFell. That said, they do look poorly coached at times, and they have had some lucky breaks here and there, but again, their talent has allowed them to stay in the game and have a chance to win it. You have to give them credit for that.
They remind me of our 1999 team- which I think was a very good and talented team as well.
I will say this- LSU under Saban always looked well coached and talented. With Miles, they still have that same level of talent- or close to it- but they aren't as clean. I don't think that necessarily makes Miles a bad coach, but I do think it means that Saban is a better coach than Miles. And I do think that despite LSU's record, given the talent that they have, they probably should be winning games more comfortably. Not that I would complain if I was an LSU fan- much like I didn't in 1999. A win is a win.
As far as Alabama and Saban- I think they are about to overtake Florida as the premier team in the SEC, and I think it will happen once Jesus Tebow leaves. They may be able to pull off the upset this year, but I have a feeling that the SEC is going to try to let Tebow go out on a high note if they can do it. Alabama's top three offensive players are So. McElroy, Julio Jones, and Ingram. That's a really good core.
They remind me of our 1999 team- which I think was a very good and talented team as well.
I will say this- LSU under Saban always looked well coached and talented. With Miles, they still have that same level of talent- or close to it- but they aren't as clean. I don't think that necessarily makes Miles a bad coach, but I do think it means that Saban is a better coach than Miles. And I do think that despite LSU's record, given the talent that they have, they probably should be winning games more comfortably. Not that I would complain if I was an LSU fan- much like I didn't in 1999. A win is a win.
As far as Alabama and Saban- I think they are about to overtake Florida as the premier team in the SEC, and I think it will happen once Jesus Tebow leaves. They may be able to pull off the upset this year, but I have a feeling that the SEC is going to try to let Tebow go out on a high note if they can do it. Alabama's top three offensive players are So. McElroy, Julio Jones, and Ingram. That's a really good core.