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EmoryBellard

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He's a HoFer, and has been busting his *** in the minor leagues for several seasons learning the craft of managing at the professional level. It is a no-brainer.
 
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EmoryBellard

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He is certainly a proven winner, but we basically just tried that with Lou, and got basically disappointing results (although, yes, historically good).

I'm ready to catch a guy on the upswing of his career, like the Yankees did w/ Girardi.
 
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In his only other managerial coaching year, he led the 2006 Marlins to a 78-84 record and a 4th place finish. While he did win the NL Manager of the Year that year... he still wasn't on the up-and-up. Does anyone know how he won manager of the year for 2006? The 2005 Marlins finished with a better record as well... Kind of confusing.

He was unemployed (coaching wise) for 2007 and was then hired by New York for 2008.
 
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I don't see them being competitive until they can get rid of some of those horrid contracts tying up money and get some younger guys in there alongside some smart FA signings
 
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was a pretty hot commodity at the time of his hiring. He took a team with the lowest payroll in baseball and had them in contention for the wildcard. He basically pulled a "Major League". He sat out that year in anticipation of being offered the Yankees job.
 
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Joe Torre? I doubt it. He is much more likely to retire than go to the Cubs. I'm not sure why he would want to leave the Dodgers unless he and the front office aren't getting along and I don't know about it. Especially with the Cubs having such a young team.

I'll tell you who might be a candidate if the Orioles job falls through- Buck Showalter. The Cubs would be a typical Buck Showalter job- young team, good talent, and maybe a couple of years away. He's a disciplinarian for a MLB manager, and that usually is his undoing after his players are firmly established as Big Leaguers, but it's probably a good thing for a couple of years with a young team.
 
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EmoryBellard

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who probably has a lot of great years ahead of him? Really? No, REALLY?

Because that's what I mean by on the upswing. So we are on the same page, Joe Girardi, manager of the 2009 World Champion New York Yankees, who have the best record in baseball while playing in baseball's toughest division - that's who we are talking about, right?

Look, I hate the yanks as much as the next guy, but I dare say he is the best manager in MLB today.
 
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They were expected to be a historically bad team, and he made them reasonably competitive. You can argue that isn't worthy of manager of the year if you want to, but no one disputed at the time that he did a very good job with that team.
 
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KurtRambis4

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he took a team with the lowest payroll and was basically the real life version of the Indians from "Major League" and just about had them in the playoffs. To everyone but you, it was a pretty impressive job.
 
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No one is disputing him now, even though he has the most resources in baseball...

At the time in 2006, he took a rookie laden team and made them semi-competitive... but he wasn't the hot-commodity everyone was making him out to be. He should be commended for his great job that year... but people are ignoring the fact that he was FIRED from his job because of how difficult he was to handle from upper management's perspective. He didn't even have a damn job in 2007.
 
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missouridawg

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then why didn't he have a job in 2007?

I know he was waiting on the Yankees job... but that doesn't mean teams were beating down his doors to hire him when he was unemployed. No one is disputing his pedigree... I remember distinctly during his playing days that he was destined to be a good manager... but an under .500 record (even with a young team) didn't make him "on the upswing".
 
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Todd4State

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missouridawg said:
then why didn't he have a job in 2007?

I know he was waiting on the Yankees job... but that doesn't mean teams were beating down his doors to hire him when he was unemployed. No one is disputing his pedigree... I remember distinctly during his playing days that he was destined to be a good manager... but an under .500 record (even with a young team) didn't make him "on the upswing".
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but if I remember correctly, Girardi was fired by the Marlins after he and the owner got into an arguement over the Marlins owner yelling at umpires during the games. Girardi told him to shut up, and the owner didn't really care for that.

Anyway, in the meantime, Joe Torre's contract was going to be up after 2007. There were some rumors that the Yankees might not renew his contract after that season. The Red Sox winning the World Series that year probably didn't help his cause, either. Of course, a lot of Yankees fans liked Torre, so what the Yankees did was offer to renew his contract- I speculate to not look bad in the face of their fans, but I think it was for a much lower salary. So, Torre resigned and went to Los Angeles.

I can guarantee you that Girardi knew what was going on the whole time and was probably talking to Steinbrenner as well. If Girardi knew that there was a good chance to go to the Yankees, why take a job for one year and then leave? Had he not been fired from the Marlins, I think he would have just simply managed there for a year and then taken the job anyway, but it didn't work out that way. If the Yankees had won the World Series and kept Torre, Girardi would have still found a job very easily, so he had nothing to lose by sitting at home and letting things play out. And had Torre stayed, Girardi probably would have taken another job, and he would just wait until the Yankees job came open, or he could have been hired as sort of a "coach in waiting" kind of like a bench coach with the Yankees if they had agreed to such terms.
 
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EmoryBellard

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I also vaguely remember the Orioles being involved somehow, but maybe that's because the Orioles seem to have had a dozen managers in the last 10 years.
 
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Ol Blue.sixpack

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missouridawg said:
In his only other managerial coaching year, he led the 2006 Marlins to a 78-84 record and a 4th place finish. While he did win the NL Manager of the Year that year... he still wasn't on the up-and-up. Does anyone know how he won manager of the year for 2006? The 2005 Marlins finished with a better record as well... Kind of confusing.

He was unemployed (coaching wise) for 2007 and was then hired by New York for 2008.
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Two years after his playing days were over, Girardi was Manager of the Year in the National League. Two years. He managed what amounted to a Triple A team with a $14MM payroll (let that sink in for a minute) to 78 wins. They were 5-13 down the stretch, which young teams are prone to do when they fall out of contention. The owner that furnished him that stellar $14MM roster tried to fire him in August, when at the umpire's request, Girardi told the spendthrift to cut the Mark Cuban act.<div>
</div><div>After moneybags finally let him go in October, he turned down a managerial job with the Nationals to return to the Yankees broadcast booth for a coach-in-waiting kind of gig. Two years on the job and he's a World Champion.</div><div>
</div><div>So six years after the guy's playing days are over, the guy has a NL MOTY trophy and a World Championship and you are confused how someone with such a resume could be considered to be on an upswing.</div><div>
</div><div>You are either stupid, stubborn, or just plain goofy. I'm going with a little bit of all three.</div><div>
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LewisNixon

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Cards=Flagship in the NL Central.

(until they screw up late in the season, you know it is coming)
 
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EmoryBellard

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In the face of all reality and logic, you continue spouting gibberish. While I admire your resiliency, in the end, I must pity the fool.
 
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The fact that he has the Red Sox even close to a playoff spot with all of the injuries they have had to deal with is pretty damn impressive
 
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Ol Blue.sixpack

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missouridawg said:
and he was unemployed in 2007. Doesn't sound like a great start to to a coaching resume.</p>
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<div>Did you miss the multiple posts about how he worked for the Yankees in 07? Or is it more stupid and less stubborn and goofy?</div><div>
</div>And you do realize that the owner jettisoned Burnett and Beckett and their 27 wins and Delgado and his 33HR's and 115 RBI - among others -from the '05 team, don't you?<div>
</div><div>You don't, you say? You mean you don't really know what you are talking about?</div><div>
</div><div>I'm shocked.

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