hey dubasses....we just gave up 51 points.

Shamoan

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im a fan of good defense and based on statistics alone, diaz and wilson have been SIGNIFICANTLY better than collins and torbush. one thing is for sure, i sure as 17 dont like firing mediocre coaches and replacing them with incompetent ones.
 

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you're nonstop bitching about how terrible our D is, is annoying and dumb. Using this game as you're "ah ha, see I told ya aGAIN!" moment just is not going to fly. Our offense has turned the ball over, given up short fields, and gone 3-0 over and over and over...leaving the D in bad situations...yet you're convinced the D shares the majority of the blame.

Push on brotha.
 

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if you think im a joke, i must be doing something right. great job einstein....wilson gives up 38, collins gives up 51, collins > wilson.

its all clear to me now. how could i have been so stupid. i mean, wilson had the 36th best defense last year....here we are at 71st and its all gravy.

Thank you oh Wise Smoa$$. Please cast down your wisdom again.

Wilson was 36th in SCORING D, Collins 71st. How is Collins so incompetent when Wilson gave up 22.7 pts a game and Collins gives up 27.2? That's less than a TD a game. That's 6 TDs over the course of the year (the 4th qtrs of LSU and Texas A&M). Collins has allowed 372.9 ypg and Wilson 389.9 ypg. BTW, Collins has done this with the 12th hardest schedule (and that number will increase after this weekend) while Wilson had #27. And Wilson had 2 NFL corners. But where's the mayhem right?**

What does SCORING tell us? Well, this year State's O scores 29.8 ppg on 459.2 ypg. In 2012 State's O scored 30.2 ppg on 389.4 ypg. That's right, NOTHING.
 

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Those stats are incorrect according to the official NCAA stats. We are 5.77 and Arkansas is 5.90 yards per play per game. You also fail to tell the readers that its less than a yard difference between Alabama 4.86 who is the 5th ranked defense or the fact that the BYU is 4.92 but is the 50th ranked defense. Or that ULL number is 5.72. Or how about there are only 24 teams below 5 yards per play and two of them are ranked behind us in total defense. It's part of the total defense numbers and that's the ranking you go by.
 
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im a fan of good defense and based on statistics alone, diaz and wilson have been SIGNIFICANTLY better than collins and torbush. one thing is for sure, i sure as 17 dont like firing mediocre coaches and replacing them with incompetent ones.

If you actually think Wilson's defense was better than Collins' is, then you are a full blown retard.
 

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how many points did we give up last year? last time i checked, nobody has ever lost giving up yards.....they do however lose when the other team outscores them. wilson and his boatload of incompetence only gave up 38 points. somehow, we gave up 13 more points and everyone is patting collins on the back. what a 17ing joke.

Last year, we gave up 21 in the first quarter. TAMU chilled out most of the game after that. Collins 23 in first half. Wilson had two early second round corners, a pro linebacker, and experienced safeties. Held Manziel to 47 yds. rushing. He had at least double that last year. The defensive coaching was superb last weekend. Most times TAMU scored was on blown coverages. Watch the game, not the scoreboard or stats.
 

Shamoan

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im not doing anything this game that i havent done in other games....its consistently bad. aGAIN (you seem to like that), im not blaming it all on the defense, merely talking about something that nobody else wants to talk about....dont like it? DONT READ IT. if reading my posts are so tiresome, why put yourself through the agony? did the offense in 2012 not put the defense in bad situations too? you seem convinced that i find no blame in the offense and have said so on multiple occasions, so what have you seen me post that would make you think that? people throw mullen under the bus for special teams at a weekly rate and sp teams doesnt seem to be off the board for civil discussion and it certainly doesnt mean they are blaming the loss entirely on sp teams, so why does that apply to defense only?...why does everyone get so pissed off when i point out the obvious about the defense? scary part, we havent even hit rock bottom yet....we will easily make the bottom half of many significant defensive statistics.

dont like it? blame mullen, not me. im not responsible for our defensive gaffes. mullen made the decision to downgrade the DC position and hire a totally unproven coordinator and if you want me to throw some mud on wilson, he did the same damn thing back then when he hired an unproven chris wilson...we are consistently taking huge risks on the defensive side of the ball by hiring unproven dc's.....just because you have the title of "co-coordinator" does NOT make you qualified to coach an sec defense, or any defense for that matter. thats what got us in trouble with wilson (who was not good enough) and now again with collins (who looks even worse). buck stops at mullen....if it makes you feel better, we can blame mullen, but collins is the one calling the shots for our ****** defense. i can live with that, but generally speaking, we downgraded and now have ****** coordinators on both sides of the ball, a sp teams coach/hc that couldnt coach his way out of a paper bag (with regard to sp teams), and entering what feels like an area where we might potentially lose the team entirely (with regard to his hc duties). things are not well in the kingdom.
 

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my stats came from here: http://www.teamrankings.com/college-football/stat/opponent-yards-per-play

i even posted the graphic provided by the website. explaining context is absolutely unnecessary when i give the entire statistical breakdown of all the schools. there is nothing misleading about providing full context whatsoever. are you seriously suggesting i explain to everyone what is clearly in front of them? i can talk about a myriad of defensive statistics and have done so ad nauseam, so, by all means, explain areas where we have improved. good luck finding that statistic.
 

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what does the opponents offense scoring points mean about the quality of a defense? WHAT? wait....WHAT? so now scoring defense is off the table in assessing the quality of a defense? lunacy.....over 5 points per game is insignificant....wow......ok. i honestly dont know how to respond to that idiocy. great job.

my take away message: numbers mean nothing. thanks for the education.**
 

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wow! what? wow! fart? If you don't have anything to add the the conversation, you don't have to reply. We already know your and idoit!

How's Chris Wilson doing by the way? You two make a great couple. Tell him to go 17 himself when he calls to talk about Scoring Defense.**

You didn't understand my point. You're fixated on SCORING Defense! You're one lonesome number doesn't mean ****! The offensive numbers from 2012 have increased in 2013. And you rail on Collins because he has a harder schedule (with younger players) and plays against better offenses:

2013 2012
TAMU 49.2 44.8
Bama 40.9 38.5
Auburn 38.6 18.7
LSU 37.9 30.3
UGA 37.2 35.6
TSUN 32.7 30.9
VAndy 32.3 29.3
USCe 32.1 31.7
MSU 29.8
UT 24.9 36.2
UK 23.2 17.9
UF 20.6 26.8
UPigg 20.4 23.5
 

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Did you not go back and look at the rest of the league for both this year and last when you brought this stat up? In league only play 11 of the 14 teams yard per play has gone up this year compared to last years. The three that have gone down were all teams with losing records last year Auburn, Missouri, and Tennessee. For ranking purpose:

1. Missouri -.75
2. Auburn. -.65
3. Tenn. -.29
4. Georgia +.32
5. UM. +.52
6. Vandy. +.63
7. MSU. +.66
8. Ark. +.75
9. Florida. +.80
10. SC. +.92
11. LSU. +.97
12. Ala. +1.03
13. KY. +1.06
14. A & M +1.14

This is a stat you want to use to prove your thought that Collins is worse than Wilson? The only teams numbers that have gone down were from losing teams and bad defenses every other team in the league has gone up. And there are 7 teams that have a worse differential than ours at this point in the season. Offenses are scoring more and gaining more yards this year over last throughout the entire league. That has influenced every defense in the league not just ours.
 

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Why, after all this time and all this opposition, can you not figure out you don't know what the 17 you're talking about?
 

Shamoan

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ive argued multiple statistics, ypg (worse), ppg allowed (worse), ypp (worse), 3rd down conversion rate (worse). the defenses in this league are exceptionally poor comparative to normal years...look at lsu, georgia, atm, and a myriad of other teams. thats what its like when you have multiple first rounders or high draft picks. the sec didnt just wake up and start to become an offensive league overnight. its a perfect storm of qb's that have matured coupled with defenses that have been decimated by the nfl draft. its no coincidence that the low differential teams are some of the traditional powers with the exception of kentucky.



ole miss: 10
auburn: 9
tennessee: 8
bama: 7
uk: 7
arky:7
mizzu:6
msu: 6
vandy:6
usc:5
lsu: 5
florida:5
aTm: 4
georgia: 3

data from phil steele: http://www.philsteele.com/Blogs/2013/JAN13/DBJan21.html

and those are optimistic preseason projections...others i have seen were lsu returning 4, florida returning 3, and some others, all that to say, these are conservative estimates that move against points a point i am trying to make, and its STILL a huge amount of players for the upper crust of the league to replace.

thats an average of 6.28 starters returning....normally, its well over that.

its no coincidence that sec is largely considered an offinsive power all of the sudden...its better teams with very young and inexperienced defenses. all that to say, its not that the offenses flipped some switch and we are now an offensive league, things will return to sec defensive dominance as the better teams move from finding 8, 7, and 6 brand-new starters, instead of the 4 or 5 they traditionally replace. simple as that.

so, with offensive power debunked, lets look back at defense and where we stand against the nation and our sec brethren. i just demonstrated WHY being in the middle of the sec defense pack is NOT a good thing. normally, being in the middle of the pack means you have a defense in the mid 30's....now, it means you have a defense that ranks 77th. SEVENTY SEVENTH!!!!!!!!

the defense went from 36th to 77th

Data from here:http://www.teamrankings.com/college-football/stat/opponent-points-per-game?date=2013-01-07
and here:http://www.teamrankings.com/college-football/stat/opponent-points-per-game

you are fooling yourself if you wish to compare yourself to a league totally rebuilding. essentially, you are taking all the top teams (ones i bolded above) and placing them in the bottom half of the league while allowing other teams to surpass us. YES, we are in a very similar position, but its not because we are equal or close, its because traditional powers are replacing well over half their defensive squads and its CONSIDERABLY well over half the defensive squad for those teams, not just a player. now, i concede that there is some improved qb play where manziel, murray, mett and a few others have taken advantage of these weak and crippled defenses, but defenses are largely down because of huge defensive losses by traditional powers in replacing the defensive starters ravished by the nfl.

bottom line, you can fool yourself in saying "we arent much worse...just look at where we stack up with our fellow sec teams" or you can realize we are giving up over 5 ppg more, almost 6 ppg, than we were last year which has caused us to tumble in the overall rankings from 36th to 77th amongst our ncaa peers. its only going to get worse too...i wouldnt be shocked if we ended up in the low 80's by seasons end. what will the excuses be by years end? if we ended dead last, would anyone concede that i might have a point? im not holding my breath. we seem to prefer the head-in-sand method.
 

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check out my other reply on this thread for today. when defenses are replacing 7 and 8 starters, we DAMN sure better be ranked higher than them. if im such an idiot, why keep responding? all every single one of you have done is sling **** on the wall and see what sticks. i have debunked countless fallacies in thinking.

if im chris wilson's boyfriend, that must make you collin's 17 toy because all of you clowns are obsessed with riding his dick as the program burns around us. you stupid clowns wouldnt know a good defense if it slapped you across the face.

scoring defense, my "lonesome number" doesnt mean ****? its the single most important defensive statistic OF ALL TIME. its what gets people hired and fired. just because you keep banging some drum that its an irrelevant statistic, doesnt make it so. scoring defense doesnt mean ****?.....laughable. what an idiot. wilsons dumb *** gave up 24 to troy, 31 to tennessee, 38 to bama and aTm, 37 to lsu, and 41 to om AND IS STILL KICKING COLLIN's *** in ppg surrendered.

you sad 17s would make excuses if we were dead last in every defensive category. i truly pity your ignorance. ill make sure to tell chris you said hi**
 

Shamoan

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ive been labeled the idiot, so why the 17, would someone knowingly argue with an idiot? makes about as much sense as walking up to a retard and start an argument about what the best way to grill.

if you think im stupid, ignore my posts and threads....its that simple. only a fool would argue with someone he perceives as an idiot...and since you clearly think im an idiot, adiós.

next time you see one of my posts or threads, you have my permission not to read it.
 

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Shazaam your a idiot. IMO Collins has done a decent job this year. A lot better with less talent than previous coaches. Dans the problem. His offense, special teams and game decisions. I hope HUD keeps Collins when he gets here next year.
 

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You have not debunked the fact the offenses are part of the reason the numbers are higher. And where are you getting that the average returning starters are normally higher than this year? Because that number looks almost the same to me in 2012 from his blog. You dont even compare the data you are using. Using your own data Alabama and Kentucky had the 4th most returning starters and two of the largest increases. Georgia had the least returning starts and lowest increase in yards per play. Notice how every team except Missouri with 5-6 returning starters are all grouped together in the differential. And our total defense is in the 30's. The scoring is off partially because of the offenses and because of game situation. If nearly every team in the league is worse in scoring and yard per play then its not just everybody has a bad defense. Auburn and Missouri have not increased their offensive output just because of bad defenses. That doesn't even get into comparing our opponents from each year. Every opponent we have played in the league this year have a higher points per game against all D1 opponents. Every one. But I will gladly concede the point if we finish last like you think. But when we do not finish last then you will have to state you were wrong.