at my high school taught history anyway. Or if you coached baseball, you got to teach driver's ed.
Hey Ninja....
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and tell me how you got there.
"We have a whopping 2 wins over LSU the last 10 years."
If you didn't read that as we have only beaten LSU twice in the last ten years, then you are a damn genius. Maybe "We have won a whopping 2 more games than LSU over the last 10 years" or "LSU has only won two less games than us in the last 10 years".
"We have a whopping 2 wins over LSU the last 10 years."
If you didn't read that as we have only beaten LSU twice in the last ten years, then you are a damn genius. Maybe "We have won a whopping 2 more games than LSU over the last 10 years" or "LSU has only won two less games than us in the last 10 years".
So I guess the baseball team making it to the CWS with Polk in the past was just a bust too? You have to have expectations for yourself if you want to achieve something. It's as simple as that. Seems like the majority here is fine with going one and out in the NCAA tourney. When's the last time we made it past the 2nd round? Hell....what was even the reason for hiring Dan Mullen? We should've just hired us a SWAC coach if yall are ok with with winning 30 games a decade. Maybe we can get croom back for yall.
It's funny how alot of folks on this board chant "We are M-State" and that's the exact attitude we went into Tuscaloosa with and we got out asses handed to us because we couldn't match their intensity and we played S-O-F-T! Stansbury needs to make a call to Syracuse's Jim Boeheim and talk to him or maybe watch some film and figure out HOW you're supposed to run a 2-3 zone.
Also, I don't know what the job titles of Cunningham, Curry, and Grant are but they look reluctant to hold their clip boards and jack stansbury off. Usually, if an assistant coach is good enough they get a shot a filling a head coaching position somehwere. Has anyone come-ah calling for anyone on our staff???? Seriously, we've have the same staff for about 10 years now.
It's funny how alot of folks on this board chant "We are M-State" and that's the exact attitude we went into Tuscaloosa with and we got out asses handed to us because we couldn't match their intensity and we played S-O-F-T! Stansbury needs to make a call to Syracuse's Jim Boeheim and talk to him or maybe watch some film and figure out HOW you're supposed to run a 2-3 zone.
Also, I don't know what the job titles of Cunningham, Curry, and Grant are but they look reluctant to hold their clip boards and jack stansbury off. Usually, if an assistant coach is good enough they get a shot a filling a head coaching position somehwere. Has anyone come-ah calling for anyone on our staff???? Seriously, we've have the same staff for about 10 years now.
that an upset is when you beat the spread, then someone is dumb enough to post that we have only beaten LSU twice in the last 10 years.
is for you to learn to reply. It isn't hard.
Secondly, my expectations for myself do not in any way, shape, or form affect my expectations for Mississippi State basketball. But regardless of that, you make no sense. Why would I consider a trip to the CWS a bust? It was a great experience. Nobody said I didn't want to win. I said that you have to have realistic expectations. I expect to win 6-8 games in football a season. I think we can do rather easily. I do not expect to win the SEC anytime soon. And why should I, we haven't won it since 1941.
Your problem is that you and yours somehow equate winning 20+ games a year, consistently making the NCAA tournament, and consistently winning the West and competing for the SEC title to mediocrity. That is incorrect. Ole Miss the past decade has been mediocre. Georgia the past decade has been mediocre. You consider a 7-5 season in football to be mediocre. You consider a 40 win season in baseball with a regional appearance to be mediocre. None of those things are mediocre. You have unrealistic expectations for MSU sports, and your enjoyment of sports suffers because of it. I feel bad for you.
Secondly, my expectations for myself do not in any way, shape, or form affect my expectations for Mississippi State basketball. But regardless of that, you make no sense. Why would I consider a trip to the CWS a bust? It was a great experience. Nobody said I didn't want to win. I said that you have to have realistic expectations. I expect to win 6-8 games in football a season. I think we can do rather easily. I do not expect to win the SEC anytime soon. And why should I, we haven't won it since 1941.
Your problem is that you and yours somehow equate winning 20+ games a year, consistently making the NCAA tournament, and consistently winning the West and competing for the SEC title to mediocrity. That is incorrect. Ole Miss the past decade has been mediocre. Georgia the past decade has been mediocre. You consider a 7-5 season in football to be mediocre. You consider a 40 win season in baseball with a regional appearance to be mediocre. None of those things are mediocre. You have unrealistic expectations for MSU sports, and your enjoyment of sports suffers because of it. I feel bad for you.
to say there are only three countries in North America, then they are dumb enough to say that.
When someone is dumb enough to say the 3rd rated RPI conference is actually 6th best, all evidence be damned, then they are dumb enough to say it.
When someone says Andy Kennedy has had a better three year run than any coach in Ole Miss history, despite the fact Barnes and Evans both had better.....
When someone says Charles Scott was a better college running back than Anthony Dixon.....
When someone says falling behind 14-3 in the first quarter isn't coming out flat.....
When someone says you have to play a difficult non-conference to have postseason success, and then touts LSU as an example, despite the fact their non-conference this past decade is 30 spots worse than ours.......
Getting the point yet?
When someone is dumb enough to say the 3rd rated RPI conference is actually 6th best, all evidence be damned, then they are dumb enough to say it.
When someone says Andy Kennedy has had a better three year run than any coach in Ole Miss history, despite the fact Barnes and Evans both had better.....
When someone says Charles Scott was a better college running back than Anthony Dixon.....
When someone says falling behind 14-3 in the first quarter isn't coming out flat.....
When someone says you have to play a difficult non-conference to have postseason success, and then touts LSU as an example, despite the fact their non-conference this past decade is 30 spots worse than ours.......
Getting the point yet?
Excuse me...Robert Kirby. I guess I'm gettin like Jack with names. haha But since Kirby isn't known for anything then I guess that's a good reason not to know his name.
HD6....I have more imporant things to do besides bicker about the love for Stansbury and you're 3341 posts. So I'll reply when I get good and damn ready. Seems as if you're twisted in your way of thought there "general." Perhaps the computer and this board has fried your brain. To quote Will Ferrel, "You sound like a dog with peanut butter on the roof of it's mouth."
HD6....I have more imporant things to do besides bicker about the love for Stansbury and you're 3341 posts. So I'll reply when I get good and damn ready. Seems as if you're twisted in your way of thought there "general." Perhaps the computer and this board has fried your brain. To quote Will Ferrel, "You sound like a dog with peanut butter on the roof of it's mouth."
learn the proper way to reply.
Here is a link to a tutorial:
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http://sixpackspeak.yuku.com?topic=38238
Since it seems everyone is trying to detract from you original points by either a) picking on grammar as if this is a forum to submit term papers or b) making sure to point out that "we are MSU, and you aren't allowed to have high expectations and are a selfish imbecilic bastard for thinking we can improve on what's there", I'll respond to your original points.
I think <span style="font-style: italic;">generally </span>Stansbury is a quality coach. He always fields teams that are full of quality defenders. I think he is vastly underrated in this respect and this is the main reason we are competitive year in and year out. Defense gets us through the door every year. The only thing holding us back is our anemic offenses. Sometimes we show flashes of effectiveness, but for the most part, we generally fizzle out every year for a couple week stretch and during important games (NCAAT). Changes have to be made on offense if we want to step it up a notch. And, like you said, changes can be made without having to get rid of Stansbury. We need some new blood at the assistant coach level that can bring some fresh ideas offensively. I don't believe any of our assistants have any experience independent of MSU for at least 8 or so years. That's alot of time to build in some bad habits. New, quality, assistants could be the best way to make all parties involved happy.
I think <span style="font-style: italic;">generally </span>Stansbury is a quality coach. He always fields teams that are full of quality defenders. I think he is vastly underrated in this respect and this is the main reason we are competitive year in and year out. Defense gets us through the door every year. The only thing holding us back is our anemic offenses. Sometimes we show flashes of effectiveness, but for the most part, we generally fizzle out every year for a couple week stretch and during important games (NCAAT). Changes have to be made on offense if we want to step it up a notch. And, like you said, changes can be made without having to get rid of Stansbury. We need some new blood at the assistant coach level that can bring some fresh ideas offensively. I don't believe any of our assistants have any experience independent of MSU for at least 8 or so years. That's alot of time to build in some bad habits. New, quality, assistants could be the best way to make all parties involved happy.
because the view we use is hierarchical and if you reply incorrectly, no one has any idea of who you are replying to.
Good to know there are some people that can see through the maroon sunglasses.
The fanbase seems to have taken our defensive mastermind for granted...Mr. Jarvis Varnado. How many games has this kid won us over the past 4 years? A guy like him comes around once every 50 years. Another thing....have we done anything to promote him or get his name out there? Just look at the names he's passed along the way.
Anyway...my point with the Varnado arguement is that....the next couple of years look to be pretty glim and I think Stansbury will ultimately run himself in the ground like Sherrill did and the ninja will be forced to make a move.
I like Ckdog am all for a change in assistant coaches though if Stansbury cannot be rid of his duties.
The fanbase seems to have taken our defensive mastermind for granted...Mr. Jarvis Varnado. How many games has this kid won us over the past 4 years? A guy like him comes around once every 50 years. Another thing....have we done anything to promote him or get his name out there? Just look at the names he's passed along the way.
Anyway...my point with the Varnado arguement is that....the next couple of years look to be pretty glim and I think Stansbury will ultimately run himself in the ground like Sherrill did and the ninja will be forced to make a move.
I like Ckdog am all for a change in assistant coaches though if Stansbury cannot be rid of his duties.
But, when somebody says we have only two wins over LSU in the past 10 years, it doesn't take very long just to just think about it and know that's nowhere even close to the truth. It had to have meant overall or SEC record because that statement would have been retarded even by C34 standards.
Maybe I underestimate him?
Maybe I underestimate him?
Damn Guys. Lets all just agree to disagree on this one. Stans cannot coach an offense. Simple fact. This has been the case forever in my opinion. I have been a fan since 2001, never missed a home game throughout my years in Starkville, and have never seen us run an offense worth a dang.
Stans still wins games, still competes for the SEC West almost every year and gets us in the tourney every so often. Everyone can see our teams never run an offense.
Stans still wins games, still competes for the SEC West almost every year and gets us in the tourney every so often. Everyone can see our teams never run an offense.
to make more runs, better starts, and stronger finishes each of Stans 12 years (??). Every single one of them. If he had underachieved 4 or 5 times or even 6 (50%) then i'd be o.k. with that, but he has underachieved every year.
However, he must have a monstrous ego. That's my biggest beef with him. We don't seem to ever change in regards to offense. We stick to the same plan year in and year out (tweaked a little depending on the post quality) and hope that we can "out athlete" the oposition. Well, that's a good idea if you have the athletes (especially on defense), but sometimes when the shots aren't falling or your opposition has a quality and disciplined x's/o's guy coaching, you have to "out smart" the opposition. It's rare that we do that on offense. We stubbornly remain on course, make little adjustments, and hope for the best.
He just needs to suck it up, admit he could use some help running an offense, and get someone in there that knows what they are doing. Hell, he can take all the glory - he just needs to admit a couple things need to change first. Head Coaches aren't always supposed to know all the answers. However, it is their job to get someone on the staff that does. Just facilitate the path to an intelligent offense and I'll be happy.
And this is what is the most frustrating with the endless Stans debate. Yes, the folks that call for Rick's head after every loss or even bad half of basketball are extremely annoying. But, in my opinion, the folks that overreact to the fact that there are those types of fans and act as if there is nothing we can or should do to step it up a notch are equally as annoying. As you said, if there's one thing we've come to know on a Rick Stansbury coached bball team is that we can EXPECT a frustrating offense. We <span style="font-style: italic;">can </span>make significant improvements to our basketball team <span style="font-style: italic;">and</span> keep Rick Stansbury. Rick just needs to swallow a little pride and make some changes. Simple as that. Fortunately, I have a feeling that we have an AD now that won't have any qualms about "urging" this should he think it's merited.
He just needs to suck it up, admit he could use some help running an offense, and get someone in there that knows what they are doing. Hell, he can take all the glory - he just needs to admit a couple things need to change first. Head Coaches aren't always supposed to know all the answers. However, it is their job to get someone on the staff that does. Just facilitate the path to an intelligent offense and I'll be happy.
And this is what is the most frustrating with the endless Stans debate. Yes, the folks that call for Rick's head after every loss or even bad half of basketball are extremely annoying. But, in my opinion, the folks that overreact to the fact that there are those types of fans and act as if there is nothing we can or should do to step it up a notch are equally as annoying. As you said, if there's one thing we've come to know on a Rick Stansbury coached bball team is that we can EXPECT a frustrating offense. We <span style="font-style: italic;">can </span>make significant improvements to our basketball team <span style="font-style: italic;">and</span> keep Rick Stansbury. Rick just needs to swallow a little pride and make some changes. Simple as that. Fortunately, I have a feeling that we have an AD now that won't have any qualms about "urging" this should he think it's merited.
I agree with the underachieving. In the past, Roberts and Austin teams both under achieved. J.V's and co. have underachieved. It goes back to everyone getting stronger from freshman year to Senior and our players never add on weight, except Sidney at thanksgiving.
we shouldn't have 4 losses. We were better than all 4 of those teams and the fact it happens every year is the kicker.
He was talking about how we were 4th overall in wins behind the Big 3 in the East, then said "we only have 2 wins over LSU the last 10 years." In context, I assumed he was talking about overall Ws, not head-to-head. No one is stupid enough to think we hadn't beaten them more than twice head-to-head in the last decade. Hell, didn't we beat them twice last season alone? But then aGAIN, I don't have a burning hatred for C34 and don't look to take everything he says as an opportunity to joust with him.
How are we underachieving? Does our talent warrant finishing better than a top 25 team every other year?
If anything, our overachieving past results have built expectations for us to finish top 15 or bust. We don't have the history, tradition, resources, recruiting base, or talent to expect those kind of results, yet you say we're underachieving every year, which is ridiculous.
If anything, our overachieving past results have built expectations for us to finish top 15 or bust. We don't have the history, tradition, resources, recruiting base, or talent to expect those kind of results, yet you say we're underachieving every year, which is ridiculous.
Haven't we made the 2nd round 4 out of the last 8 years? That puts us in the top 32, and with 16 other teams getting put out in the 2nd round, we're anywhere from 17-32.
Not to mention the years we lost to Xavier, Butler, and Texas, those were considered pretty big upsets.</p>
Not to mention the years we lost to Xavier, Butler, and Texas, those were considered pretty big upsets.</p>