Hey peaches, is Miles still a better coach than Saban?
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If the "power$ that be" got me the recruits Saban got..I would be the greatest coach in the NCAA.
No you wouldn't.
Exhibit A: Auburn. All the talent in the world fell flat on their face.
The huge challenge that Saban has that few people have to deal with is how to handle success. Maintaining such a high level is probably harder than getting to that level the first time. Making yourself stay hungry when there is little left to be hungry for it quite a challenge.
exactly...It's easy coach Alabama's players. Try coaching Tyson Lee and Marcus Green to a national title
Saban is college football's best COACH- but it's a real small margin.
Where Saban is the nation's best- and by a large margin- is being the nation's best RECRUITER
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But such a large part of that is where you coach- he wasnt putting these types of teams together at Michigan State
Being at LSU and Bama- half the recruiting battle is already won and you automatically jump ahead of alot of schools.
I feel as if you didn't answer the question. With the same players would Les have won 3 of 4?
I personally think that if Saban had been at LSU the past 4 years, the Tiiigaaahhs would be champs 3 out of 4.
LSU was 17'ed over last year- Alabama did not deserve to be in the title game
Saban is better right now- he has won the last 2 match-ups H2H's
You are the only dumb17 that thinks Les Miles is a scab on the *** of Nick Saban. Saban is arguably the best college coach ever. Les is a joke and you know it, but in typical fashion you refuse to admit you're wrong.
It is a given that you have to have great players. These teams all have talent in line with Bama, yet they can't get it done:
UGA
LSU
UF
I think Auburn has to reach a lot more on their talent. Your point still stands, but while I think Auburn for a while was getting recruits equal to Bama's as far as athletic ability goes, I think Bama was able to be much more discriminating regarding other issues. Maybe it really is that Saban just does a better job of making them toe the line when they get there, but it doesn't seem like Bama is a team full of Cam Newton type players, where the money was the only thing that mattered.
Saban
didn't bring those type of classes to MSU because he wasn't as well known as he is now. I would be willing to bet that if he left and went back, he would get them there. It would be harder, in that he would be located in Michigan, but he would start bringing extremely talented classes in. I doubt it would measure to what he's done at Alabama, but that has mainly to do with location, I believe.
It's hilarious that you still, to this day, cannot type "I was wrong about Saban."
It's not going to discredit you. The only reason people bring it up year after year is because you will not type those few words.
ETA: The main comparison of the original argument from years ago coaches at LSU, so that **** don't fly about "well he's better bc he's at Alabama."
didn't bring those type of classes to MSU because he wasn't as well known as he is now. I would be willing to bet that if he left and went back, he would get them there. It would be harder, in that he would be located in Michigan, but he would start bringing extremely talented classes in. I doubt it would measure to what he's done at Alabama, but that has mainly to do with location, I believe.
It's hilarious that you still, to this day, cannot type "I was wrong about Saban."
It's not going to discredit you. The only reason people bring it up year after year is because you will not type those few words.
ETA: The main comparison of the original argument from years ago coaches at LSU, so that **** don't fly about "well he's better bc he's at Alabama."
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4 national titles in his last 8 years of coaching college football says Saban is the greatest college football coach of all time. And no ******** about how anyone could coach those players either. Very few coaches can manage the egos that a collection of superstar players like Saban has come with.
LSU was 17'd over because they had to PLAY Bama? The consensus around the country was that Bama was the best and most deserving 1-loss team, it would be dumb to let a worse OSU team play in the game JUST to avoid a rematch.
Saying "we got screwed over b/c we had to play them again" is the biggest ***** excuse I've ever heard. Bama was the far superior team, they showed it in both games, the 1st one was a fluke and everyone knew it.
Saying "we got screwed over b/c we had to play them again" is the biggest ***** excuse I've ever heard. Bama was the far superior team, they showed it in both games, the 1st one was a fluke and everyone knew it.
There are 10-15 blue bloods in the college game that offer the same opportunity to get great players and win on the stage that Bama is winning, but no one else is doing it.
So you can't just say Saban has the best players, he's the one that identifies them, gets them there, develops them, not to mention how hard it is to keep a bunch of highly recruited players happy, not wanting to transfer, and to play unselfishly. The other blue bloods have just as good or better of an opportunity to get the players that he does.
Miles has lost 15 games the last 5 years, Saban 7, that's a little bit of a gap. If Miles doesn't have Chavis, add about 5 more losses. Saban's also won 4 of the last 6 against Miles, with the 2 losses being pretty big upsets.
So you can't just say Saban has the best players, he's the one that identifies them, gets them there, develops them, not to mention how hard it is to keep a bunch of highly recruited players happy, not wanting to transfer, and to play unselfishly. The other blue bloods have just as good or better of an opportunity to get the players that he does.
Miles has lost 15 games the last 5 years, Saban 7, that's a little bit of a gap. If Miles doesn't have Chavis, add about 5 more losses. Saban's also won 4 of the last 6 against Miles, with the 2 losses being pretty big upsets.
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I'm shocked that you're not utilizing
your ground-breaking "20 years from now" theory. After all, in 20 years will anyone remember the inherent advantages of coaching at Alabama, or will they just remember how many national championships Saban's won? Or is that idiotic theory only employed when you're trying to spin MSU's 2012 season as a rousing success?
your ground-breaking "20 years from now" theory. After all, in 20 years will anyone remember the inherent advantages of coaching at Alabama, or will they just remember how many national championships Saban's won? Or is that idiotic theory only employed when you're trying to spin MSU's 2012 season as a rousing success?
I don't see how anyone can say that.
Is Miles wildly fun to watch? Absolutely. Is he a great quote? Yep.
Does he routinely crank out teams with plenty of talent? Yep.
Could he be successful at Ole Miss or MSU? Doubt it.
LSU is losing roughly 8-9 Juniors to the draft this year and they won't even be in the National Title discussion next year. They will have a good team, but not a great team by Saban standards. This past year reminds me so much of the 2006 LSU team where they lost 2-3 games with a team full of NFL players.
Watching Miles screw up the end of the peach bowl was fun.
At the end of the day, I would hate for LSU to fire Miles. LSU could hire a coach that actually understands that you don't have to call a timeout to stop the clock after an interception. That would be scary. We don't want that. LSU is beatable with Miles at head coach. Now usually the talent saves him, but Im not the least bit terrified of LSU with Miles as the head coach. When LSU comes to Oxford next year, I feel confident that the game will be close and we could win. That is solely due to Miles. They will have a much better team, but Miles makes winning possible. Saban makes winning impossible.
You put Chip Kelly at LSU and things would get uncomfortable. Also, Russell Shepherd would have won the Heisman probably. Talk about a waste of talent.
Is Miles wildly fun to watch? Absolutely. Is he a great quote? Yep.
Does he routinely crank out teams with plenty of talent? Yep.
Could he be successful at Ole Miss or MSU? Doubt it.
LSU is losing roughly 8-9 Juniors to the draft this year and they won't even be in the National Title discussion next year. They will have a good team, but not a great team by Saban standards. This past year reminds me so much of the 2006 LSU team where they lost 2-3 games with a team full of NFL players.
Watching Miles screw up the end of the peach bowl was fun.
At the end of the day, I would hate for LSU to fire Miles. LSU could hire a coach that actually understands that you don't have to call a timeout to stop the clock after an interception. That would be scary. We don't want that. LSU is beatable with Miles at head coach. Now usually the talent saves him, but Im not the least bit terrified of LSU with Miles as the head coach. When LSU comes to Oxford next year, I feel confident that the game will be close and we could win. That is solely due to Miles. They will have a much better team, but Miles makes winning possible. Saban makes winning impossible.
You put Chip Kelly at LSU and things would get uncomfortable. Also, Russell Shepherd would have won the Heisman probably. Talk about a waste of talent.
Eh, whatever, people have been predicting Miles’ house of cards to collapse at LSU for years now. I was one of them, but it hasn’t happened, and it’s not going to. The guy is a damned good coach, as buffoonish as he does come off at times. Strange that people still can't give him credit for how successful he’s been at LSU.
Now clearly he is not in Saban’s universe, and neither is anyone else. Peaches is just too dipshit to admit he was wrong as obvious as it is to everyone, so you get **** like “Saban is better right now b/c he’s won the last 2 head to head”. As though the comparison between the two is subject to change any time soon. Give me a 17in’ break. The guy is in the process of rewriting Bear Bryant’s records.
Now clearly he is not in Saban’s universe, and neither is anyone else. Peaches is just too dipshit to admit he was wrong as obvious as it is to everyone, so you get **** like “Saban is better right now b/c he’s won the last 2 head to head”. As though the comparison between the two is subject to change any time soon. Give me a 17in’ break. The guy is in the process of rewriting Bear Bryant’s records.
Speaking of Bammer...where the hell has Tusk been? I figured he'd be over here pounding his chest.
beatin' those cats was sweet....
sorry, i've been "out of the loop"...
It was a great season for a "rebuilding" one
sorry, i've been "out of the loop"...
It was a great season for a "rebuilding" one
you're saying the best team in college football in 2011 should NOT have been in the Title Game? wha?