Hines the high draft pick
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It's the same thing every AB now.
1st pitch - letter high FB, he swings out of his shoes and fouls it off or whiffs. 0-1
2nd pitch - breaking ball in the dirt, he can't lay off it. 0-2
3rd pitch - anything you want. He's looking for the breaking ball but can't hit it if that's your choice. You can pump a FB down the pipe and he won't catch up to it.
If he does happen to make contact he's just going to foul it off or pop it up because he's trying to elevate everything.
1st pitch - letter high FB, he swings out of his shoes and fouls it off or whiffs. 0-1
2nd pitch - breaking ball in the dirt, he can't lay off it. 0-2
3rd pitch - anything you want. He's looking for the breaking ball but can't hit it if that's your choice. You can pump a FB down the pipe and he won't catch up to it.
If he does happen to make contact he's just going to foul it off or pop it up because he's trying to elevate everything.
His regression is baffling.
2022: 29 walks, 58 so, .993 ops
2023: 23 walks, 64 so, 1.058 ops
2024: 33 walks, 74 so, .832 ops (had roughly 40 more AB's than two years prior)
2025: 3 walks, 13 so, .746 ops -> at this rate he's trending for about 90 strikeouts this year
2022: 29 walks, 58 so, .993 ops
2023: 23 walks, 64 so, 1.058 ops
2024: 33 walks, 74 so, .832 ops (had roughly 40 more AB's than two years prior)
2025: 3 walks, 13 so, .746 ops -> at this rate he's trending for about 90 strikeouts this year
He'll end up hitting 270 with at last 15 homers
and he'll be drafted in the top 10 rounds.
Willing to bet as much money as you want on those. You name your price and we'll find a 3rd party to handle the money until the season is over.
Put your money where your mouth is... Or you just flapping your man sucker?
and he'll be drafted in the top 10 rounds.
Willing to bet as much money as you want on those. You name your price and we'll find a 3rd party to handle the money until the season is over.
Put your money where your mouth is... Or you just flapping your man sucker?
He should have just went pro last year. If he hadn't been so cocky, he could have went in the lower rounds like Kellum Clark did the year before that, who is a similar player to him. And he'd at least have some money in his pocket for all his years of training baseball.
funny how they both have the same exact problem.
The problem hines is having is that pitchers are pitching more up in the zone than ever before. All the launch angle guys and low ball hitters are having to adjust. Has nothing to do where anyone is standing in the box.. there is a laundry list of guys who stand on top of the plate that have had long successful big league careers.
Hines is who he is.. he's going to swing and miss and strike out.. its part of the game. He's also going to have weeks and weekend's where he carries us... and at seasons end.. he'll be the most prolific home run hitter in MSU history and he'll end the year toward the top of the league in homers... why people on these boards wont accept that is beyond me........ i mean we had luke hancock manning the position for years and wes rae before him... hines is double the player those guys thought about being.
sounds baffling to some.. but i'd actually bat hines first. Similar to what the phillies do with Schawber. He's not a guy you want up a lot with guys on base b/c of the swing and miss... so the mistake is actually putting him in the lineup in those positions that see a lot of base runners on.
Hines is who he is.. he's going to swing and miss and strike out.. its part of the game. He's also going to have weeks and weekend's where he carries us... and at seasons end.. he'll be the most prolific home run hitter in MSU history and he'll end the year toward the top of the league in homers... why people on these boards wont accept that is beyond me........ i mean we had luke hancock manning the position for years and wes rae before him... hines is double the player those guys thought about being.
sounds baffling to some.. but i'd actually bat hines first. Similar to what the phillies do with Schawber. He's not a guy you want up a lot with guys on base b/c of the swing and miss... so the mistake is actually putting him in the lineup in those positions that see a lot of base runners on.
No, his problem is he can't hit off-speed. Can't read it out the hand, he's up there guessing at pitches. I want the guy to succeed, I want to see him break the career home run record, but right now he's in a slump. A 40% strike out rate is really bad at this level. A senior with no more eligibility isn't going to get drafted inside the first 10 rounds with such a high whiff rate.
Bets on the table for you or anyone else...
270 ish 15 homers+-- bet 1
Drafted inside top 10 rounds-- bet 2
willing to bet as much money on either as you want to bet.
8 games and 20 at bats dont make a season. He's a career 280 hitter whose averaged 18 homers a season over 3 years. Yep hes struggling now. Yep he swings and misses a lot. Yep he was brutal yesterday... but he's still a productive player and will be this season.
You’re backtracking off your bet from last year. He is a year better and a year stronger so you would think he would go higher. You wanted to make it a wash rounds 6-10 last year now you want all 10 first rounds. Make up your mind.
He'll figure out a way to hit 15, but he needs to be hitting 25+ at this stage of his career. If he wants any shot at hitting .270 he's going to need the homers to help carry the average up because he ain't banging doubles...
I don't bet on State or State athletes. I truly hope he exceeds your expectations, but he's likely a 15 - 20th round draft pick.
Im not backtracking off anything
i put the bet on the table last year.. no one... including yourself at the stones to take the bet. I'm putting up a totally separate bet on the table this yaer.... my guess is you and the other gum poppers on here wont take the bet either
With our conference schedule, we should make a regional pretty easily. I'm going with 38-18 (17-13) record. SEC schedule is darn near as easy as it could possibly be (for an SEC schedule).
I'll take the 280 career average he has and the 18 homers a year he averages every year from the rest of my life from our 1b position.
he's been very productive since day 1 he's stepped on campus. Why people expect him to turn into some 30 homer guy is beyond me. Again seems this board would love Hancock and Wes Rae back.. both whom were beyong brutal.
It seems high to me too. But when I look at that conference schedule.... Like basketball, we should finish strong. Auburn, Kentucky, Mississippi, Missouri to close out the season.
Wrong. If your a spinning type hitter like Barry Bonds or Tony Gwynn yes you can stand closer to the plate. Those hitters pull in their hands. Gene Clines showed me that when I was in the minors and it did not work for me. Then there are extension type hitters like Mike Schmidt, Aaron Judge that want to hit the ball away from their bodies and stand well off the plate to eliminate getting jammed and getting full leverage. I would also say more power hitters want extension.
So it doesn't matter if some hitters have success one way. You have to find the way that you can have success. I don't think Hunter has found it and has had enough success in his mind that he won't adjust. I have watched him pull pitches on the outside corner for Homeruns and watched hit hit a bunch of 400 foot foul balls. He is NOT a spinner. Look he doesn't adjust at all. He has the same approach and the book is out there on him. He should be getting better each year and he is not. A very good college hitter bats .400 or close to it.
So he can't hit an inside strike or, according to you, a high strike. So he needs to adjust and move to where there is no inside strike.
Yes he will probably finish on top of career HRs. Yes he is better than Hancock and Rae. Wes Rea loved to jam himself too.
At this rate he won't ever be able to prove if I'm right or not. I just think he is killing what he could be. Hitters make adjustments. Personally my approach changed every few years and most hitters do that. Heck Rod Carew had like 7 different batting stances and adjusted for each pitcher.
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Why people expect a guy, who hit 16 HR as a Fr. and 22 as a So., to continue to trend towards 30 HR a year is beyond you? Seriously? At the end of his So. year we were all salivating at him being a 28+ homer guy and talking about him as a first round pick. Then he goes completely undrafted at all after Year 3 where he regressed at every metric. Are you his cousin/uncle?
From his So. year to his Jr. year, he had:
47 more AB
6 less HR
9 less XBH
.040 lower BA
His career .280 average is propped up by his first two years (.300 and .297). I don't give a **** what his Fr. year BA was, he's 3 years removed from that and not the same hitter now as he was then.
Who the hell said anything about Hancock or Rea? If all you want is a first baseman to hit 15 solo HRs and lead the league in K's with men on base then sure blow the Hines horn. After what we saw the first two years, I (and apparently everyone but you) are mighty disappointed with what he is now.
Hines played on a national championship high school team. He was a polished product from the day he walked on campus. He was big strong and was ready to play. Those type players don’t make huge jumps.
Hes been good to very good from day 1 on campus. He’ll be just fine again this year. Again his game has faults, but even with the faults he’s been very productive throughout his career and someone whose production isn’t easily found
Bruce I agree with a lot of this. I do think there are different ways different hitters can be successful. I don’t think backing up off the plate will help Hines. But I do think at the end of the day it’s up to each guy to buy into and take responsibility for their results. The fact that Hines has been extremely successful at every level he’s played at, even cape summer league… would make me hesitant to change as well.
again every time he has a bad week or weekend these posts show up. He’s going to swing and miss and he’s gonna strikeout… but he’s also going to have some great weeks and games for us that result in wins.
he’s not gonna hit 400. He’s not going to quit striking out. And he’s probably not the guy you want up with guys on base. But that doesn’t make him bad or something needs fixed. I’d lead him off like the Phillies do. And let him hit. Take the pressure of hitting with guys on base and let the results fall where they may
I'd be thrilled if he was playing at his FR and SO level. But these stats aren't promising. Something's wrong. BA: .300, .297, .265 (summer), .257, .226. Slugging: .600, .683, .565 (summer), .486, .452.
Game has changed. More people throwing up in the zone. I agree an adjustment would be nice. But he was an all star in the cape last summer and even with a brutal slumped hit basically 300 with 15 homers the back half of last season.
he is what he is… which is a very productive first baseman. He isn’t going to be a 380 hitting 25 homer guy like this board wants him to be… but those are hard to find
I remember seeing something Pete Rose said about how hitting adjustments are just moving around in the box. Your swing is your swing, at the pro level (granted we're not there yet with Hines) your swing is what got you there, so don't go monkeying with it like Tiger Woods in the middle of a season. Always was curious if that was a common "pro take" or if that was just what Rose himself thought...
He isn't productive if he whiffs with the tying or winning run ISP in the bottom of the 9th. He isn't good, much less very good if his SO rate goes up every year over 4 years. I said last year at the end of the season, and I'll state it again for posterity, is that the only reason he came back this year was to see if he could best his own SO record, and I'd say he's off to a roaring start on the season . . . . .
I think he could be a 380/25 guy. No one, except for me, thought I would be a 360/29 guy after my Fr and So years. I adjusted.
I don't think there are a bunch of 265/15 college hitters who make it at the pro level. So he better figure it out.
Saying a Sr will be drafted inside the Top 10 rounds is a bit misleading without accounting for the signing bonus. Nobody really knows his number. If he’ll sign for $50k, hell yeah he’ll go in the Top 10 rounds, maybe even Top 5-6. But his value when he had leverage has already been determined, and he’s not that kind of player. Having no leverage is the only thing that will get him taken that high.
Watching the games this weekend I couldn't help but think of him as the Tom Selleck character in Mr. Baseball who has a "hole in his swing". Will he run into 10 balls this year, probably, but he is swinging at not even close to hitting some of these balls.
Read WTF you just said. Last year you railed for highfill over long. Now you back off a catcher(a couple passed balls so far) but double down on a defensive first baseman. If and only if Hines goes in the first 10 rounds it's his defense not his offense. Your bet was bovine scat last year and it's gotten even deeper this year. You lost the bet, guess what he didn't go pro just like your favorite hitting coach!
PS: Is it me that thinks huntdawg is Hunter not the Hunted?***
He will go undrafted. If he were to get drafted, it would take professional pitchers about 30 seconds to figure out how to pitch to him because he will not change and adjust.
God what an idiot... i lost a bet? How did i lose a bet no one took?
The bet is on the table again this year.. if you feel as strongly as you do about it.. make the bet and prove me wrong. Again like most here... you'll run your dik sucker but wont back it up with anything but slobber and scraped up knees
hence the bet... he's a top 10 talent due to his power tool alone. Lots of things go into who gets drafted where. Look no farther than our very own Jake Mangum.
also moron i didnt rail for Highfill over long.. highfill was hurt... but i railed for ANYONE over long. Long was simply the worst player starting on ANY sec team last year. He was literally the second worst hitter in the league numbers wise for any qualifying hitter and he spent all season last yaer without throwing ONE runner out.... and he nearly decapitated one of our own pitchers with a throw to second base... he was quite the talent