Hiring a football coach is hard AF.
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You are right. The AD who is breaking records for fundraising didn’t vet Lebby at all!
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There’s absolutely science behind it. Moorhead was a stupid hire, I said it back then. And there are always exceptions, that’s why they are called…..exceptions.
To be honest Lebby reminds me much more of Moorhead than Dan.
If you really look at his resume, it was a bad hire. And a good AD would have looked harder at the scholarship advantage he had a Fordham & the fact he coached maybe the most talented college offense ever at Penn State. Heck, I could have won with those advantages.
It is a crap shoot. Kelly and Deboer, if you look at their records, are no brainers. Yet they are struggling. Fordham being the only school that offered scholarships should have been common knowledge. I didn't know. I thought his record was impressive but of course it was. Even Bayou Billy. It doesn't always translate
They are both losing games they shouldn’t. But losing by 1-2 scores to teams like Oklahoma and Florida State is a far cry from getting blown off your own field by Toledo.
Lebby has a chance to earn at least some leeway next weekend with a win. If not, he’ll be 0-10 in P4 games, with 1-17 or 0-18 over 2 years in those games looking pretty likely. I don’t see how he’d get a 3rd year in that scenario.
It’s not rocket science. We’ve only been good here at State when we hire coaches who do things differently than everyone else. Examples offensively would be Mullen and Leach, defensively would be Joe Lee and Arnett. We suck whem we hire coached who are common place and do things more like everyone else than not.
Example Jackie Wayne really wasn’t different
Lebby isn’t exactly a cookie cutter offense either
Jackie Wayne may not have been different offensively, but defensively he was extremely different and cutting edge at the time with Joe Lee Dunn. And yes Lebby is very common and cookie cutter. He doesn’t do anything different from most everyone else.
Jackie was a little different on offense too at the beginning. He loaded up mass on the lines with multiple big tailbacks. Then used a primary running QB, grinded the game way down. Maybe if he’d kept doing it we wouldn’t have had the big volley years.
Plus, at that time, going JUCO was considered taboo. So he was definitely innovative. It doesn’t always have to be with offense, but generally that helps specifically at MSU.
It's made easier by hiring the most experienced proven guy you can afford and by experience in hiring from the past. We didn't meet either of those criteria in our latest search
But as I was saying the most proven experienced guys dont always work out. Kelly has one of the best records of any coach and he has struggled at LSU. Same with Deboer. Deboer just doesn't lose. Until now.
and the least or non experienced seldom work out in the SEC. Mullen was a rare exception
Coaches in general seldom work out. You can put any description in front of them.
Obviously that’s relative to the school and its success.