tOSU had exactly what you said, a good year. We had a great year. You reward greatness, not good. And, yes, awards do matter to wrestlers.Ohio st has had a good year. Penn St always has good years . Stop crying over awards
tOSU had exactly what you said, a good year. We had a great year. You reward greatness, not good. And, yes, awards do matter to wrestlers.Ohio st has had a good year. Penn St always has good years . Stop crying over awards
Correction. Another, record breaking year!Correction: Penn State is having an HISTORICAL RECORD BREAKING YEAR.
What many here value is accuracy.Titles but seems like many here really value a conference award![]()
Well stated!I agree that Coach of the Year should go to the guy with the best story, someone who exceeded widely-held expectations; giving it to the coach of the team with the best record would undermine the purpose of having an award that's voted on. Cael isn't losing a second of sleep over an award with such subjective criteria like Coach of the Year, and fans shouldn't either. I also agree with the underlying logic that adopts fan sentiment as an implicit factor, and that spreading an award like COTY around is better for wrestling.
But that same logic doesn't hold for the Hodge. If there's a candidate with 100% bonus rate (and there are two), and you're scanning down the page b/c they're PSU guys and you think PSU gets too many awards, you're cheapening the award by ignoring the stated dominance criteria and substituting your own. If all the factors shake out equally, maybe you start thinking about whether someone is a senior and it's his last shot, partly because we've heard that logic enough to know that voters do consider it. But only if everything else is a wash.
The only way to offset Mesenbrink's and Barr's 100% bonus rates in defense of Mendez is to argue that 141 is much better than 165, and when you start comparing those rankings, you can't really do it. Setting Vega aside because Mendez hasn't wrestled him, Hardy is very similar Caliendo in terms of where they're both at, consistent podium guy, 1x finalist, improved every year but still a notch below. But Hardy has shown he's far closer to beating Mendez than Caliendo is to beating Mesenbrink. And as you point out, Hardy isn't even the second best guy at 141. And it's not as if Caliendo is getting worse--at some point you'd think familiarity would bring Caliendo closer, but the opposite is happening.
In Barr's case, there's a dropoff between him and the 197 field, with Rocky Elam (whom Barr hasn't faced) lacking Caliendo or Hardy's resumes, and a farther drop after Elam.
There's also the eye test. Early on in every Mesenbrink it becomes clear what's going to happen, even when he gives up the occasional takedown from over-exuberance. No one at 165 belongs out there with him. Mendez can almost say the same but not quite.
And Vega is clearly good, but also went to TBs against Echemendia this weekend, and has a ~50% bonus rate. But Mendez campaigners have to puff him the TRFR so that when Mendez beats him, it'll be Dake beating Taylor.
The Mendez dominance talk, where you only discuss the times he was dominant and ignore the times he wasn't, reminds me of Spencer Lee talk--Lee is the Best Wrestler Ever... except on all those days when he isn't.
It is for Iowa fans!it's funny that Iowa fans are on here complaining about Penn State fans complaining about an unjust biased vote that doesn't involve Iowa. And somehow the Iowa fans think that's normal!!
That will be determined in Cleveland. Whoever wins by bigger margins probably wins. If it's close they probably go Mendez because he's a SR and Mitchell will get his next year . That's my guess. Do I agree no but I could see that happeningWe’re anticipating the Hodge vote.
Never had my nails done but sounds like you know all about itWhat many here value is accuracy.
Titles are clearly more important than awards, but honoring those most deserving of a well-defined, prestigious accolade like the Hodge isn’t trivial. I’ll repeat my earlier jab at grown-a** men of assumed integrity looking at award requirements and willfully punishing the statistically clear winner. And why? Oh, because they’re “teen girl jealous” of the athlete’s coach.
I only hope they get their nails done before the Hodge vote, perhaps after your appointment?![]()
Never said I agreed with the awards just stated that it probably happened because Penn st wins everything so the coaches voted for the next bestso Corby tell me exactly which award's the bucks really deserved to win and why?best team ever gets nothing guess Tom will be taking some friends to Aruba with him!
I assume you have Davino over Duke for freshman of the year as well. Can you give your reasoning? The way I see it, Dukes only loss was the the defending National Champion and Duke then went on the major decision him in Big ten finals. Davinos loss was to a freshman and then beat him on OT in finals. Clear choice to me as to who was more impressive.Never said I agreed with the awards just stated that it probably happened because Penn st wins everything so the coaches voted for the next best. Davino over Blaze for freshman of the year after winning the title I agree with.
Blaze and Davino have traded TB wins over each other… Duke has avenged a TB loss by a MD. But if we had to put one name in the hat before the finals…I assume you have Davino over Duke for freshman of the year as well. Can you give your reasoning? The way I see it, Dukes only loss was the the defending National Champion and Duke then went on the major decision him in Big ten finals. Davinos loss was to a freshman and then beat him on OT in finals. Clear choice to me as to who was more impressive.

Duke wasn't up for freshman of the year.I assume you have Davino over Duke for freshman of the year as well. Can you give your reasoning? The way I see it, Dukes only loss was the the defending National Champion and Duke then went on the major decision him in Big ten finals. Davinos loss was to a freshman and then beat him on OT in finals. Clear choice to me as to who was more impressive.
It is fun to just participate in the whole debate thing, but when the COY isn't the guy coaching the historically great team and the WOY is the guy who has been the most dominant as well as most improved then you already know the Big10 is just happy to make money off of wrestling and the awards thing is for show.Btw, I was just told that the Big 10 votes on the awards BEFORE the finals are even wrestled. Is this true? If so, going forward, no one should take their awards seriously.
Duke wasn't up for freshman of the year.
From the Basch and Willie show each team that had a freshman in the running had to submit one name before the Big10 tournament started.Btw, I was just told that the Big 10 votes on the awards BEFORE the finals are even wrestled. Is this true? If so, going forward, no one should take their awards seriously.
I think many here value an absence of: stupidity, hypocrisy, and venality.What many here value is accuracy ..
Yeah each time submits a freshman prior (possibly even at the coaches meeting on Friday -- not sure of timeing) but even if it was done the second day of the tourney before finals that is asinine.Btw, I was just told that the Big 10 votes on the awards BEFORE the finals are even wrestled. Is this true? If so, going forward, no one should take their awards seriously.
Wait. You mean the administrative-convenience tail should not wag the fair-result dog?!? What a concept!How difficult is it to have all of the freshman placewinners listed then vote on one -- after the finals.
the way Basch explained it - coaches had to submit their one entry before the finals. So PSU would have entered Marcus and not PJ. I assume that based on records to that point. After the finals, most would have taken Davino instead of Marcus (again, I am assuming)Btw, I was just told that the Big 10 votes on the awards BEFORE the finals are even wrestled. Is this true? If so, going forward, no one should take their awards seriously.
This is an incredibly stupid way the Big 10 goes about it. Wow!From the Basch and Willie show each team that had a freshman in the running had to submit one name before the Big10 tournament started.
At the time PSU submitted Blaze since he was undefeated(assuming the reason) Ohio St. submitted Davino.. Duke wasn't eligible since his name wasn't submitted.
Coach of the year??? Ohio St. had a good year, and I'm ok with it..
Mendez wrestler of the year?? This isn't the hodge... Mendez has had a year just as good if not better than the rest of the conference..
it's a big MEhhhhh..
So basically the Big 10 doesn't care if they get it right..... they just care to get it over with.Duke wasn't up for freshman of the year.
LoSo u must care enough to respond on this board to Nitlion1986 proving how inane ur take on Mendez over Mesenbrink was.
oNever had my nails done but sounds like you know all about it. I didn't say I agree with what happened I'm just giving my opinion why I think it happened.
Not sure if it is true but I heard teams had to nominate a wrestler prior to the start and PSU put Blaze in. If so, that explains why. Being undefeated before B1G made him the obvious nominee. Looking back now, Duke is more deserving than Davino but wasn’t nominated…if that is true??I assume you have Davino over Duke for freshman of the year as well. Can you give your reasoning? The way I see it, Dukes only loss was the the defending National Champion and Duke then went on the major decision him in Big ten finals. Davinos loss was to a freshman and then beat him on OT in finals. Clear choice to me as to who was more impressive.
You expected different?This is an incredibly stupid way the Big 10 goes about it. Wow!
Yep...that's what everyone is saying. Kinda stupid to not let the Big 10 finals play out before the Bigs forces you to make your nomination. I mean the finals are the most important matches of the Big 10 season.Not sure if it is true but I heard teams had to nominate a wrestler prior to the start and PSU put Blaze in. If so, that explains why. Being undefeated before B1G made him the obvious nominee. Looking back now, Duke is more deserving than Davino but wasn’t nominated…if that is true??
That is pretty much it. Remember the awards are given out right after the finals end so the coaches don't want to have a meeting right then to vote on awards with the TV cameras waiting. Stupid I know, but it is what it is.So basically the Big 10 doesn't care if they get it right..... they just care to get it over with.
I gotcha Corby..
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Kinda like abdicating the seeding hard work to AI, huh?So basically the Big 10 doesn't care if they get it right..... they just care to get it over with.
I gotcha Corby..
Gotta cut it into 3 pieces firstOkay,
Question for the board.
If Corby, Mark Manning, and Bob Nicolls were all in a boat and it was sinking, who do you toss the weighted vest to first?
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Based on what? Lets wait for the mcpat poll before we jump in on that lolTitles but seems like many here really value a conference award![]()
While it might make sense logistically I’m not sure that will happen, if Duke wins Natty not sure how eager he will be to take a seat and watch next year. He could have easily redshirted this year after wrestling a ton during summerKasak will be replacing a redshirting PJ, Ono will take Davis' spot in the lineup. Levi is probably being replaced by RSF Henckel.
If Duke can't make 157 next year do you really think he beats out Mitch?While it might make sense logistically I’m not sure that will happen, if Duke wins Natty not sure how eager he will be to take a seat and watch next year. He could have easily redshirted this year after wrestling a ton during summer
See also: Rashaan Salaam winning the Heisman over Ki-Jana Carter and Kerry Collins.On the post season awards, we are guaranteed to NOT get Mark Manning's vote on anything and Cael would not likely vote for himself. On the Hodge, we are blessed/cursed with at least two contenders, thus splitting the vote making it harder for us to win.
But that team went undefeated, so Corby is cool with it and no one should question it and any belief to the contrary is crying.See also: Rashaan Salaam winning the Heisman over Ki-Jana Carter and Kerry Collins.
And our current 174 went from 157 to side step MitchIf Duke can't make 157 next year do you really think he beats out Mitch?
My post did say "probably being replaced by RSF Henckel."And our current 174 went from 157 to side step Mitch
Now do you really think Duke is kind of guy that would want to sit, especially if he wins the Natty?
Sure he might end up doing that but the logistical thing of assuming Duke will sit and Henckel will come in is far from assured.
You even may have to throw Jayden James into the mix