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HOA242n!

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And our current 174 went from 157 to side step Mitch

Now do you really think Duke is kind of guy that would want to sit, especially if he wins the Natty?

Sure he might end up doing that but the logistical thing of assuming Duke will sit and Henckel will come in is far from assured.

You even may have to throw Jayden James into the mix
Duke seems ultra competitive, but with NIL, an extra year of eligibility is a gift from the Gods for college athletes nowadays. Especially for wrestlers who have limited post-collegiate professional opportunities in their sport. This isn't football, where if a guy isn't playing he isn't getting NFL visibility.

I don't think he'll be all that angry about sitting out for a year, having the opportunity to work on some freestyle, and collecting a paycheck. At least I wouldn't.
 

vhsalum

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My post did say "probably being replaced by RSF Henckel."
Sure PJ might bump up to 174 or James might win the spot thus the probably.
As far as why assume PJ will RS, because I know that was the plan. Of course plans change. 2 other things I know. PJ is not wrestling 157 next year, and assuming good health for everybody PJ isn't wrestling 165 next year.
This.

You guys need to understand that Cael gets guys to think about the 10 years they'll be on campus. You guys have a culture that is more "we are" than any other in the nation. Obviously impressive stuff.

Look at a Sealy and Little Mirasola. It doesn't look like either will sniff the lineup (well, at least 2 more seasons for Mirasola). But neither have even thought about hitting the portal. I do think Sealey will eventually. And Connor Pierce should absolutely transfer. Clearly an AA threat. But it's more likely that neither do. That's crazy.
 

WV lion

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Duke seems ultra competitive, but with NIL, an extra year of eligibility is a gift from the Gods for college athletes nowadays. Especially for wrestlers who have limited post-collegiate professional opportunities in their sport. This isn't football, where if a guy isn't playing he isn't getting NFL visibility.

I don't think he'll be all that angry about sitting out for a year, having the opportunity to work on some freestyle, and collecting a paycheck. At least I wouldn't.
Eventually your wrestling career ends and you need to move on. Getting a masters degree for free isn't a bad deal. My daughter got 5 yrs for free in track and could have gotten a 6th due to covid, but went to PT school instead.
 

tullfan68

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Rocky you think Kasak wanted to sit?most guys don't want to sit if they can start!esp at PSU!
 

WV lion

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Rocky you think Kasak wanted to sit?most guys don't want to sit if they can start!esp at PSU!
I think everyone decided, coaches, wrestlers and parents what was best. There have been times where great wrestlers shirted a year and could have started.
 
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dicemen99

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Rocky you think Kasak wanted to sit?most guys don't want to sit if they can start!esp at PSU!
Most definitely Tyler did NOT want to sit. And it caused a lot of the whispers that were circulating. But here we are, almost a full season later, with Tyler looking really happy at B1Gs and just an offseason away from back in the lineup.

Really speaks to what @vhsalum just posted about above. That situation goes differently at most other places.
 

HOA242n!

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Eventually your wrestling career ends and you need to move on. Getting a masters degree for free isn't a bad deal. My daughter got 5 yrs for free in track and could have gotten a 6th due to covid, but went to PT school instead.
Totally different situation. I played D1 football. By my 5th year I already had an MS and just couldn't wait to be done and move onto the real world. But, I wasn't being paid to play football and I had no future in the sport (past, maybe, coaching high school someday). Another year of football, was just another year not earning (and saving) and developing my career and family; it didn't benefit me at all. That was the reality for 99% of collegiate athletes...until 2021.

Duke is probably earning significant money to be a collegiate athlete and he is world-class in a sport with limited professional opportunities; his post grad plans are likely to win some world championships and gold medals, but without much opportunity for large payouts. There's not really a better place for him to progress towards those goals than in the PSU room for another year, and the money certainly helps.
 

El_Jefe

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This.

You guys need to understand that Cael gets guys to think about the 10 years they'll be on campus. You guys have a culture that is more "we are" than any other in the nation. Obviously impressive stuff.

Look at a Sealy and Little Mirasola. It doesn't look like either will sniff the lineup (well, at least 2 more seasons for Mirasola). But neither have even thought about hitting the portal. I do think Sealey will eventually. And Connor Pierce should absolutely transfer. Clearly an AA threat. But it's more likely that neither do. That's crazy.
Also: Nico shirting after 2 finals appearances. He was every bit as motivated, and impatient. Completely disinterested in shirting, and yet it happened.

These guys come to PSU because they trust him with their careers, not just their next 4 years. They'll figure out the right path, even if that takes a lot of convincing.
 

WV lion

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Totally different situation. I played D1 football. By my 5th year I already had an MS and just couldn't wait to be done and move onto the real world. But, I wasn't being paid to play football and I had no future in the sport (past, maybe, coaching high school someday). Another year of football, was just another year not earning (and saving) and developing my career and family; it didn't benefit me at all. That was the reality for 99% of collegiate athletes...until 2021.

Duke is probably earning significant money to be a collegiate athlete and he is world-class in a sport with limited professional opportunities; his post grad plans are likely to win some world championships and gold medals, but without much opportunity for large payouts. There's not really a better place for him to progress towards those goals than in the PSU room for another year, and the money certainly helps.
Different, but similar. Getting a lot of money to work on freestyle and get a degree. All the while working towards world medals. And when active wrestling ends, he will hopefully have 2 degrees. Unless you were paying for your education, it did benefit you. Masters degrees aren't cheap. Probably saved my daughter over $200k +
 
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HOA242n!

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Different, but similar. Getting a lot of money to work on freestyle and get a degree. All the while working towards world medals. And when active wrestling ends, he will hopefully have 2 degrees. Unless you were paying for your education, it did benefit you. Masters degrees aren't cheap. Probably saved my daughter over $200k +
In my case, I would have went straight into a fully-funded PhD program (which I did a few years later) or gotten a year jumpstart on my career. My MS was functionally pointless as it wasn't a terminal degree. All our situations are unique to us. That's all irrelevant to Duke. Other than a possible hit to the ego, there is no logical downside to a redshirt year and plenty of obvious benefits.

If I was playing college football today, you better believe I'd be happy to redshirt and then move onto suing the NCAA for 6th, 7th....years of eligibility. I personally know a few young men earning more warming up a college bench, than I am as someone with a fancy-titled Megacorp job and two decades of experience. NCAA athletes should take advantage as much as they can until something is done about the NIL madness.
 

Dogwelder

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.. there is no logical downside to a redshirt year and plenty of obvious benefits ..
There could be a logical downside to a redshirt year. The wrestler in question might not want a red shirt year. The wrestler might know that a redshirt year would not make him happy. Going to a situation that makes a person happy is very logical. If not, then we can just assign people college majors, spouses, and cities of residence based on our logic instead of their own expected happiness.

And if we insist on having logical reasons for everything, and cannot CONCEIVE reasons why somebody might be happier with A versus B, then we have Vizzini-level imagination.

 
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RockyChi

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Duke seems ultra competitive, but with NIL, an extra year of eligibility is a gift from the Gods for college athletes nowadays. Especially for wrestlers who have limited post-collegiate professional opportunities in their sport. This isn't football, where if a guy isn't playing he isn't getting NFL visibility.

I don't think he'll be all that angry about sitting out for a year, having the opportunity to work on some freestyle, and collecting a paycheck. At least I wouldn't.
I think he would still get paid by NLWC and working camps. He’s not dependent upon having college eligibility to make money.
 

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I think he would still get paid by NLWC and working camps. He’s not dependent upon having college eligibility to make money.
Will be interesting because rev share can only go to rostered athletes. NIL now needs to get past NIL GO
 

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Most definitely Tyler did NOT want to sit. And it caused a lot of the whispers that were circulating. But here we are, almost a full season later, with Tyler looking really happy at B1Gs and just an offseason away from back in the lineup.

Really speaks to what @vhsalum just posted about above. That situation goes differently at most other places.
Tyler only looked happy because the Rutgers coaches pulled a Cael and cornered him in the tunnel. Transfer imminent. So I heard.
 

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Mitch should win the head to head on "jumping levels". Previously, he was just a TD machine. This year he's added tilting and pinning and doing it at a higher rate than Mendez.
 

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Ryan ...Coach Of The Year.....that's kinda funny...coach of the team that steamrolled by Penn State 36 to 5
But we all knew tOSU was not going to win that dual meet when they failed to show up in their bathrobes like they were staying for a sleepover.
 
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HOA242n!

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There could be a logical downside to a redshirt year. The wrestler in question might not want a red shirt year. The wrestler might know that a redshirt year would not make him happy. Going to a situation that makes a person happy is very logical. If not, then we can just assign people college majors, spouses, and cities of residence based on our logic instead of their own expected happiness.

And if we insist on having logical reasons for everything, and cannot CONCEIVE reasons why somebody might be happier with A versus B, then we have Vizzini-level imagination.

I covered that in the previous sentence: "...other than a possible hit to the ego..." Otherwise, I fail to see the point of this strawman.

I know what I would do, but I ain't Duke. We're all guessing with no information.
 

RockyChi

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are you sure he couldn't??
It’s been stated that Kasak was gracious enough to sit but perhaps there was zero choice in matter if he couldn’t beat Duke. I wasn’t assuming anything.

But to answer your question it would seem like it would certainly be an extremely competitive match. No idea who would have or did win the wrestle off. If I was forced to bet I’d wager on Duke though, especially in a best of 3.
 
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WV lion

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It’s been stated that Kasak was gracious enough to sit but perhaps there was zero choice in matter if he couldn’t beat Duke. I wasn’t assuming anything.

But to answer your question it would seem like it would certainly be an extremely competitive match. No idea who would have or did win the wrestle off. If I was forced to bet I’d wager on Duke though, especially in a best of 3.
Everyone seems forget kasak was also a world medalist
 

vhsalum

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@Corby2 tried to tell you guys at the beginning of the season. The very first time they went together - the writing was on the wall in a definitive way.
 

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Exactly. They don't want to believe the guy because he's an "Iowa fan" .😂

You being an Iowa fan is irrelevant. 83% of posters here thought Duke was starting and Kasak was redshirting before the season. Smalls said quite a while ago that PJ wasn't making 157 past this season. But it was preseason and message boards are all about discussion and conjecture. Not sure why you're so amused by it. 🤷🏻‍♂️
 

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You being an Iowa fan is irrelevant. 83% of posters here thought Duke was starting and Kasak was redshirting before the season. Smalls said quite a while ago that PJ wasn't making 157 past this season. But it was preseason and message boards are all about discussion and conjecture. Not sure why you're so amused by it. 🤷🏻‍♂️
Not amused by anything actually I just knew what happened when they wrestled that's all. So I said he would be the guy and Kasak RS. @vhsalum brought it up I didn't.
 
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Sportfan2017

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It's not an award off of 1 match 🤷. Now respond like a 12 years old again
Mendez was only up 4-2 until a desperate attempt by Hardy gave Mendez a last-second takedown. Should have ended 4-2. Now...where is my Cocoa Pebbles mom? The teacher hates me. Why do we get pimples? I hate girls. I lost at Halo because my controller sucks. It's your fault....I wouldn't have cracked the TV screen if you had bought me a better controller. No I wasn't mom.....my worn socks are always crunchy! How am I doing? :)
 
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District 4

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It’s been stated that Kasak was gracious enough to sit but perhaps there was zero choice in matter if he couldn’t beat Duke. I wasn’t assuming anything.

But to answer your question it would seem like it would certainly be an extremely competitive match. No idea who would have or did win the wrestle off. If I was forced to bet I’d wager on Duke though, especially in a best of 3.
I'm thinking they knew pj was only making 157 for one year
 

PSU LU

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Cael, Duke and Mendez. Mitchell has always been this dominant which hurts him actually. Mendez has jumped a level and is putting it on guys like he hasn't before so it's noticeable. Mitchell is just doing Mitchell things that we have seen for years so its not like wow look at Mitchell because it's nothing new.

But if I was a Penn st fan and won 12 or the last 14 team titles and we dominate everyone I wouldn't be crying about awards. You guys just sound like a bunch of babies you win everything but now we gotta have all the awards to. You know who doesn't care Cael, Duke and Mitchell
MM had eight pins this year( zero last year). Seems to me he improved this year as well.