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anon1768925248

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Aww man I forgot. Anything published online is straight fact. Thank you for taking the time to correct me.

I showed my work. Now show yours. If I tell you the moon is made out of cheese, you better get a cracker.
 

MagnoliaHunter

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Also, for the championship game next week, they said parking was going for $700. so figure half to 1/3 of that for the game in oxford.
 

onewoof

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I showed my work. Now show yours. If I tell you the moon is made out of cheese, you better get a cracker.
I don't know much about big city finances but I did stay at a Holiday Inn last night.

That is grossly over estimated. On purpose. They are so far in the red they have to make it look worth what folks are dumping down the drain with creative accounting. Many others are also deep in the red. It's not sustainable.
 

anon1768925248

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I don't know much about big city finances but I did stay at a Holiday Inn last night.

That is grossly over estimated. On purpose. They are so far in the red they have to make it look worth what folks are dumping down the drain with creative accounting. Many others are also deep in the red. It's not sustainable.
So no work to show. Thanks, Politician. Just “trust me bro”.
 

onewoof

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So no work to show. Thanks. Politician. Just “trust me bro”
Basic business numbers my friend. I could sponsor a few articles online to spoon feed those that consume without discernment. That's what these "credible journalistic sources" were. Written at a junior high English level from information they were told was fact.
 

anon1768925248

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Basic business numbers my friend. I could sponsor a few articles online to spoon feed those that consume without discernment. That's what these "credible journalistic sources" were. Written at a junior high English level from information they were told was fact.
More “trust me bro”. You know more than everyone. The mayor of Oxford and the 5 major news outlets that published it. Still no work shown. Sometimes it’s ok to just bow out and say “you know what man, I did half assed research and you were right. I’m sorry for being a d*ck head when I did zero research and have zero sources on the matter. I’ll try to not be a dumbass next time”. Trying to downplay the financial impact of a playoff game to the city and school of any college team is ridiculously stupid. Even if it’s half of what they projected. Hell even if it’s a quarter, it’s still extremely significant
 
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johnson86-1

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More “trust me bro”. You know more than everyone. The mayor of Oxford and the 5 major news outlets that published it. Still no work shown. Sometimes it’s ok to just bow out and say “you know what man, I did half assed research and you were right. I’m sorry for being a d*ck head when I did zero research and have zero sources on the matter. I’ll try to not be a dumbass next time”. Trying to downplay the financial impact of a playoff game to the city and school of any college team is ridiculously stupid. Even if it’s half of what they projected. Hell even if it’s a quarter, it’s still extremely significant
Those economic impact numbers are usually exaggerated by a good bit. They are usually being used to sell expenditures though. Not sure what these are selling though unless they are pushing local vendors to donate to NIL. But what matters for them is regular season games. The likely hood of making the playoffs, and being seeded high enough to host, but not so high as to get a bye, is pretty miniscule.

Just back of the envelope math, let's say half the people that attended stayed two nights and sleep two to a room on average, at $1k a night, that'd be $31M by itself. No clue if Oxford has that many hotel rooms and short term rentals. There may be way fewer than that and way more people driving in and out from Memphis. But $75M doesn't seem crazy on its face if you have 62,000 attendees. Really depends on how many of the attendees live there or have a second place there as that probably moves the accomodation spend a lot and potentially the restaurant expenditures. But possibly the restaurants are all at capacity and then some regardless.
 

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We have to pay this guy whatever it takes. If we lose because of money, we are a serious program. I could understand if we match all offers and he decides on a more prestigious program with a path to a championship, but don’t let it be $$$.
 
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Who in the world came up with the $75MM figure? What am I missing here?
I've been to a lot of city/county meetings for work and always here about all that economic development jazz. The figure I always here is that a dollar turns over about 7 times in a community, on average. No idea if that's true. But I'm sure they are talking about total spending power of the money that got injected into Oxford on that day. Probably around 10M straight purchasing that day, then turned over 7 times.

That may all be bullshlt but that's my half-educated guess, again, outside ticket sales, which didn't happen all on that day. But shlt tickets alone were probably 20M too.
 
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anon1768925248

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Those economic impact numbers are usually exaggerated by a good bit. They are usually being used to sell expenditures though. Not sure what these are selling though unless they are pushing local vendors to donate to NIL. But what matters for them is regular season games. The likely hood of making the playoffs, and being seeded high enough to host, but not so high as to get a bye, is pretty miniscule.

Just back of the envelope math, let's say half the people that attended stayed two nights and sleep two to a room on average, at $1k a night, that'd be $31M by itself. No clue if Oxford has that many hotel rooms and short term rentals. There may be way fewer than that and way more people driving in and out from Memphis. But $75M doesn't seem crazy on its face if you have 62,000 attendees. Really depends on how many of the attendees live there or have a second place there as that probably moves the accomodation spend a lot and potentially the restaurant expenditures. But possibly the restaurants are all at capacity and then some regardless.
The mayor said they expected like 300-400K people there for that weekend. Oxford has always had a lot more people in the Grove than at the game. I had a friend that got a room and tickets and all in it cost him 4k just for that for the weekend.
 

anon1768925248

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Anyway, to get back on topic, whats the latest rumor about his visit ?
I think we have pushed the offer up to 5 million (just a rumor).We are not going to be outbid, but I do think he’s going to take more visits. Texas having a stacked tackle room and taking the WF LT yesterday probably helps. LSU is on him and we will have to defend ourselves against that. We have the money and the former coach relationship, but we are in deep deep water.
 
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patdog

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I think we have pushed the offer up to 5 million (just a rumor).We are not going to be outbid, but I do think he’s going to take more visits. Texas having a stacked tackle room and taking the WF LT yesterday probably helps. LSU is on him and we will have to defend ourselves against that. We have the money and the former coach relationship, but we are in deep deep water.
I have trouble believing we're going to pay reportedly 16% of our entire budget for 1 player. Not saying we will or won't get him, but I doubt it will be for $5 million.
 
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anon1768925248

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I have trouble believing we're going to pay reportedly 16% of our entire budget for 1 player. Not saying we will or won't get him, but I doubt it will be for $5 million.
We have not had to pay much for a lot of these guys. Our quarterback took a team friendly deal too in order to ensure we can protect him with a guy like this. We have a lot of money left to spend and only 4-5 spots left. Selmon is involved with this recruitment personally (according to some/not verified). Whatever the total ends up being, it will be public by the people who cover it nationally. We are getting folks attention by being in this recruitment at all.
 
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I have trouble believing we're going to pay reportedly 16% of our entire budget for 1 player. Not saying we will or won't get him, but I doubt it will be for $5 million.
I am for paying him what it takes to get him. We are not getting off the carpet by by being "po ole Mississippi State" cheap. The days of State's grads being all a bunch of poor dirt farmers are long past. I am not saying this is what you think.
 

patdog

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We have not had to pay much for a lot of these guys. Our quarterback took a team friendly deal too in order to ensure we can protect him with a guy like this. We have a lot of money left to spend and only 4-5 spots left. Selmon is involved with this recruitment personally (according to some/not verified). Whatever the total ends up being, it will be public by the people who cover it nationally. We are getting folks attention by being in this recruitment at all.
Why would we not pay money to recruit the other positions too? That might explain why our class ranking is #32 (as of yesterday). What if we saved all this money and then miss on this guy?
 

o_Hot Rock

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$4 million to a college OL

Dan Mullen made less most of his tenure.

Son of a B itch, I wish I was 18, 6’7” and 320

Surely some of you realize that this is asinine.
Andy Reid is highest paid NFL coach... There are 120 players that make more than him. Next highest is Sean Payton, 157 players make more than him. Dan Mullen was never close to the highest paid. Players make more than coaches, their careers are shorter and their bodies get destroyed if they stay in the gave very long.
 

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When people are saying $30 million, are you talking about just for football or other sports too?
 

anon1768925248

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Why would we not pay money to recruit the other positions too? That might explain why our class ranking is #32 (as of yesterday). What if we saved all this money and then miss on this guy?
Well we are #18 on the on3 rankings. Portal rankings are very all over the place. We have paid plenty of money. We just didn’t have to overpay the way we have had to in the past because we aren’t 2-10 with a loss to Toledo bad this year.
 

o_Hot Rock

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This is grossly over estimated. You'd be wonderful in politics.
Might be understated. Student enrollment goes up and that is a gift that keeps on giving. It may be hard to measure but like it or not, football winning changes the economy around that team whether it's college or football.
 

johnson86-1

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When people are saying $30 million, are you talking about just for football or other sports too?
I am not in the know, and it was not said explicitly when I was told by somebody in the know, but in the context of the conversation I had, it seemed to be for football.
 
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If I’m Lebby, i make a gentlemen's agreement not to poach each others players.
I would agree to not tamper with theirs if they didn't tamper with ours but all bets are off if a player's agent reaches out to us or them.

He being shopped, it would be stupid for either team not to look at him if he can help.
 

johnson86-1

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The money is there if we need more for someone of this caliber
That was going to be my guess also. We've got money invested in the QB position (not sure how much, but presumably a decent amount because I'm sure somebody would pay him on potential). If we are in the game for a sure thing LT, that would seem to be an easier sell than "Contribute your 7 figure amount, and I'll pool it with others and try to build a roster".
 
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onewoof

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Might be understated. Student enrollment goes up and that is a gift that keeps on giving. It may be hard to measure but like it or not, football winning changes the economy around that team whether it's college or football.
Yeah, no. There's no justification that matches the losses. No measurable return that matches the spend. We can speak in conjecture all day all night and it doesn't matter. It's not sustainable. Only if you win it all.
 

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There used to be a joke about how some players made more in college than they did as pros. Now that's reality. A lot of guys who make it to the NFL will sign contracts for less than what they make now.

 
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I would agree to not tamper with theirs if they didn't tamper with ours but all bets are off if a player's agent reaches out to us or them.

He being shopped, it would be stupid for either team not to look at him if he can help.
The issue is they can afford any of our players, including KT. On the other hand, we’re on the budget plan. They shop at Costco, we shop at Sams. They shot at Target, we shop at Dollar General. I’ve heard Pete, unlike Lame, is a good human. Make a deal with him, it’s rare we’ll have a player they want anyway, but if KT balls out in 2026 and gets crazy offers we can’t match, i’d rather him go anywhere else than Oxford
 

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Yeah, no. There's no justification that matches the losses. No measurable return that matches the spend. We can speak in conjecture all day all night and it doesn't matter. It's not sustainable. Only if you win it all.
No justification, no matter how much money you can make using your Advertising budget supporting Mississippi State football? You must not have ever seen some of these companies advertising budget and how much they spend just to get their name in front of as many people as possible.

We had a tiny little grocery store and we gave away $10,000. People thought that's a lot back in the 1970's. Hell, we spent ten times that much advertising we were giving it away. Companies have to spend money to make money. There is always a justification point where it becomes worth it to advertise and winning football games is a form of advertising for your University and it's sponsors.


How about Booster's justifying their donations? It's their money, they don't have to justify **** to anyone.
 
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o_Hot Rock

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The issue is they can afford any of our players, including KT. On the other hand, we’re on the budget plan. They shop at Costco, we shop at Sams. They shot at Target, we shop at Dollar General. I’ve heard Pete, unlike Lame, is a good human. Make a deal with him, it’s rare we’ll have a player they want anyway, but if KT balls out in 2026 and gets crazy offers we can’t match, i’d rather him go anywhere else than Oxford
I get it but if he is shopping himself, OM is not the problem.

That would be on the player and us to be able to pay market value. Free Market is real and we all love it and hate communism or socialism, right?
 

greenbean.sixpack

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I get it but if he is shopping himself, OM is not the problem.

That would be on the player and us to be able to pay market value. Free Market is real and we all love it and hate communism or socialism, right?
Man, I’m just talk about a gentleman’s agreement here.

Several years ago we had two players who wanted to transfer from State to OM, the conference put a stop to it and I believe they ended up at FSU.

Having players go back and forth between us and them is not a good thing especially knowing they can outbid us every time.

The benefit to us is obvious. The benefit to them is one less program trying to tamper with their players.

l’d like to see no intra conference transfers, but that likely won’t withstand legal challenges.