Holy sh*t

[anon1768925248]

This is straight up idiotic.

A game is played between Ole Miss and Arkansas in Oxford. It comes down to an Ole Miss FG attempt as time expires with the Rebels trailing by 1.

They don’t make the FG, spending at hotels / restaurants / bars / AirBnB’s, etc. = X.

They make the FG, and somehow that figure is equal to X + $20 million???

That’s some of the most absurd shít I’ve ever read on this board. And that’s really saying something.

Not for that weekend. For the amount of revenue it produces in the future. The more sec wins you have, the more money your town brings in for the year. There was an espn article about this a few years ago. For every SEC win you have in a year, you can count on 20 million dollars in economic impact to your city. I’m not just spouting this. I didn’t just pull the number out of thin air. Winning football games creates a huge economic impact to your town. It’s why Oxford had a huge boom during the Eli years and the freeze years and are currently booming now. It’s why Starkville started growing during the Dak years.

College Football: A Touchdown for Local Economies — This is Capitalism

College football isn’t just about the games—it’s a powerhouse of economic impact, fueling local businesses, creating jobs, and shaping entire cities. Discover how teams like Alabama, Texas, and Notre Dame transform their communities.

www.thisiscapitalism.org

I can’t find the espn article but here is another one discussing the economic impact of football on a town.

 

[tired]

Not a great sign he’s taking the visit to Miami. But we’ll see.

He's gonna do that regardless. He gets thousands of $$$ just to visit.

 

[Perd Hapley]

Not for that weekend. For the amount of revenue it produces in the future. The more sec wins you have, the more money your town brings in for the year. There was an espn article about this a few years ago. For every SEC win you have in a year, you can count on 20 million dollars in economic impact to your city. I’m not just spouting this. I didn’t just pull the number out of thin air. Winning football games creates a huge economic impact to your town. It’s why Oxford had a huge boom during the Eli years and the freeze years and are currently booming now. It’s why Starkville started growing during the Dak years.

College Football: A Touchdown for Local Economies — This is Capitalism

College football isn’t just about the games—it’s a powerhouse of economic impact, fueling local businesses, creating jobs, and shaping entire cities. Discover how teams like Alabama, Texas, and Notre Dame transform their communities.

www.thisiscapitalism.org

I can’t find the espn article but here is another one discussing the economic impact of football on a town.

Let me break it down for you this way….

40,000 folks visit Oxford for a game weekend. That’s the absolute peak of what you can fit in VHS, excluding students and faculty ticket holders who absolutely do not count toward the financial number, because they’d be there either way.

If those 40,000 people spend an AVERAGE of $500 apiece, in 2 days, in Oxford, MS…..then that is $20 million. Total….win, lose or draw, whether it’s LSU or North Texas as the opponent. Put another way, that’s a family of 4 dropping $2,000 on food and/or lodging that is totally separate from the $500 for tickets, $25-$100 for gas, $50 for parking, $75-$100 for gameday concessions, etc. That’s a minimum of almost $700 PER PERSON total that would be required as an AVERAGE for $20 million in total revenue to reach the city. That’s…..a very, very unattainable figure, no matter how good OM football is. And its definitely inpossible to magically double that figure just because OM makes a FG to beat Arkansas.

There’s just no way you can make it make sense. What you’re essentially saying is that if Ole Miss goes 4-4 in the SEC, it somehow generates an amount of revenue for Oxford that is equivalent to 4-8 additional home games being hosted in the city. That’s crazy talk.

The other reality is that at least 10-15,000 of that 40,000 aren’t staying in Oxford. They are driving up / driving back from Jackson, Memphis, or whereever….might spend $150 total on a nice meal and then gas. That’s it. $10 million is a reasonable number as an extreme upper limit for the revenue that’s possible for Oxford as a whole during any given home game weekend.

The true value of an SEC win can’t really be calculated, and it isn’t going to be the same everytime, or at every school. Trying to assign such a number is something that only a clown with an agenda would try to do.

 

[HailStout]

We may get a first round draft pick quality lineman and you guys are fighting about Oxford??????

 

[anon1768925248]

Let me break it down for you this way….

40,000 folks visit Oxford for a game weekend. That’s the absolute peak of what you can fit in VHS, excluding students and faculty ticket holders who absolutely do not count toward the financial number, because they’d be there either way.

If those 40,000 people spend an AVERAGE of $500 apiece, in 2 days, in Oxford, MS…..then that is $20 million. Total….win, lose or draw, whether it’s LSU or North Texas as the opponent. Put another way, that’s a family of 4 dropping $2,000 on food and/or lodging that is totally separate from the $500 for tickets, $25-$100 for gas, $50 for parking, $75-$100 for gameday concessions, etc. That’s a minimum of almost $700 PER PERSON total that would be required as an AVERAGE for $20 million in total revenue to reach the city. That’s…..a very, very unattainable figure, no matter how good OM football is. And its definitely inpossible to magically double that figure just because OM makes a FG to beat Arkansas.

There’s just no way you can make it make sense. What you’re essentially saying is that if Ole Miss goes 4-4 in the SEC, it somehow generates an amount of revenue for Oxford that is equivalent to 4-8 additional home games being hosted in the city. That’s crazy talk.

The other reality is that at least 10-15,000 of that 40,000 aren’t staying in Oxford. They are driving up / driving back from Jackson, Memphis, or whereever….might spend $150 total on a nice meal and then gas. That’s it. $10 million is a reasonable number as an extreme upper limit for the revenue that’s possible for Oxford as a whole during any given home game weekend.

The true value of an SEC win can’t really be calculated, and it isn’t going to be the same everytime, or at every school. Trying to assign such a number is something that only a clown with an agenda would try to do.

A lot more than 40 thousand extra people come to sec towns on game day weekends whether they go into the games or not. A lot more. When you have a winning program a whole lot more come.

 

[FactCheckerBot]

Bout time you actually caught something

Speaking catching something, how’s that syphilis?

 

[FlotownDawg]

We may get a first round draft pick quality lineman and you guys are fighting about Oxford??????

Ole Miss is on the brain 24/7 to quite a few of the posters here.

 

[Maroon13]

Perd sums it good. As much hell as Starkville gets for lack of hotels etc etc. Oxford isn't much more accommodating. I know for fact, many people at the OM games are from Desoto and Memphis. I know of no one from Desoto that stays over night for rebel games. It's a drive down and back event.

 

[Perd Hapley]

A lot more than 40 thousand extra people come to sec towns on game day weekends whether they go into the games or not. A lot more. When you have a winning program a whole lot more come.

“A lot more” may come to hang out, tailgate, crash with friends, or just visit for the day, but those people aren’t just hemorrhaging money to the city of Oxford (or Starkville, Tuscaloosa, Athens, etc.).

The people that stay overnight 2 nights in hotels / lodging and eating at restaurants and drinking at bars are responsible for the influx of cash. Very, very few people who aren’t even going to the 17ing game are blowing $1000+ for a hotel, $500+ on eating out / drinking, etc. There simply isn’t room for them.

Here’s another thing: Say there are 20,000 chain hotel rooms that go for $500 a night in Oxford. Probably a gross overshoot on how many there actually are, but lets roll with it. $500 x 20,000 x 2 nights x 7 home games, that’s $140 million for the season.

So, $140,000,000 to Oxford? Nope. They only get whatever city special hotel tax is…..usually like 3% or something. Rest goes to the state, and to the profits and operating expenses of a large multinational corporation. 3% of that is $4.2 million for Oxford….for the whole season…..IF they even had that many rooms (which they don’t).

AirBnB’s? If the owner lives and works in Oxford, does that rental money come into Oxford? Sure. If they live in Florida or California or Jackson or literally anywhere 17ing else besides Lafayette County, does that money come into Oxford? Nope. Only the property tax, which gets paid just the same whether Ole Miss goes 12-0, or totally shuts down their football program.

The bogus premise that every dollar spent in the vicinity of Oxford or any other SEC city on a game weekends constitutes “money into the city” is not reality.

 

[anon1768925248]

“A lot more” may come to hang out, tailgate, crash with friends, or just visit for the day, but those people aren’t just hemorrhaging money to the city of Oxford (or Starkville, Tuscaloosa, Athens, etc.).

The people that stay overnight 2 nights in hotels / lodging and eating at restaurants and drinking at bars are responsible for the influx of cash. Very, very few people who aren’t even going to the 17ing game are blowing $1000+ for a hotel, $500+ on eating out / drinking, etc. There simply isn’t room for them.

I guess you’re right and literally everyone that’s reported on this subject at multiple universities is wrong.

 

[HotMop]

A lot more than 40 thousand extra people come to sec towns on game day weekends whether they go into the games or not. A lot more. When you have a winning program a whole lot more come.

Yeah, I mean there's a whole visiting football team, media, broadcast company, drug dealers, and scalpers to consider.

 

[Perd Hapley]

I guess you’re right and literally everyone that’s reported on this subject at multiple universities is wrong.

Well yeah, I am right, and so are the folks that have reported on these things. But absolutely nobody has reported anything close to what you stated in the OP….that winning a conference game magically shíts out another $20 million on top of what would have been made without the win.

The general gist of all the reporting is that college football is big business for small to mid sized college towns, and even larger ones. That’s the “no shít” statement of the century. And that big business is even bigger with winning, but not $20 million per win bigger, for a city of 20,000 people. 90-95% of the money comes from the mere existence of the football program….regardless of any outcomes.

 

[TheDawg-Pound]

“A lot more” may come to hang out, tailgate, crash with friends, or just visit for the day, but those people aren’t just hemorrhaging money to the city of Oxford (or Starkville, Tuscaloosa, Athens, etc.).

The people that stay overnight 2 nights in hotels / lodging and eating at restaurants and drinking at bars are responsible for the influx of cash. Very, very few people who aren’t even going to the 17ing game are blowing $1000+ for a hotel, $500+ on eating out / drinking, etc. There simply isn’t room for them.

Here’s another thing: Say there are 20,000 chain hotel rooms that go for $500 a night in Oxford. Probably a gross overshoot on how many there actually are, but lets roll with it. $500 x 20,000 x 2 nights x 7 home games, that’s $140 million for the season.

So, $140,000,000 to Oxford? Nope. They only get whatever city special hotel tax is…..usually like 3% or something. Rest goes to the state, and to the profits and operating expenses of a large multinational corporation. 3% of that is $4.2 million for Oxford….for the whole season…..IF they even had that many rooms (which they don’t).

AirBnB’s? If the owner lives and works in Oxford, does that rental money come into Oxford? Sure. If they live in Florida or California or Jackson or literally anywhere 17ing else besides Lafayette County, does that money come into Oxford? Nope. Only the property tax, which gets paid just the same whether Ole Miss goes 12-0, or totally shuts down their football program.

The bogus premise that every dollar spent in the vicinity of Oxford or any other SEC city on a game weekends constitutes “money into the city” is not reality.

Okay but do you think every one of those are spending that much? You don't think a family of 4 are buying separate rooms and spending that much each. This isn't all singles going to the game and blowing money at the bar each weekend each night. Many of those staying have places. It's the opponents that come and usually as a group staying together/ families.

 

[TheDawg-Pound]

And if you haven't ever been to a game, it's a nightmare going out to eat before or after. Most people eat at the game or to go. Yes the restaurants are full but only certain hours and usually those people are staying and drinking, not the usually in and out turn around. I feel like the hotels make the most but they usually are empty during the most of the year so that large influx is short lived

 

[Perd Hapley]

Okay but do you think every one of those are spending that much?

Absolutely not. That’s my entire point. That, and the folks who aren’t attending games who still show up aren’t in that group that is spending that money….they have at least one other connection or convenience that still makes it worthwhile for them to go without having the luxury of attending the game.

You don't think a family of 4 are buying separate rooms and spending that much each.

No, I don’t. That example was a per-room case study. I also don’t think there’s anywhere close to 20,000 hotel rooms in Oxford. More like 2,500-5,000 at the absolute max.

This isn't all singles going to the game and blowing money at the bar each weekend each night. Many of those staying have places.

Exactly. They stay with a friend, have an RV, have a condo, something. In all 3 of those examples, they are not spending any more money than they otherwise would because Ole Miss won, or because of the success of the program in general. None of the cost of those things is associated with Ole Miss football success.

It's the opponents that come and usually as a group staying together/ families.

Yes, and that’s a much smaller number of folks.

 

[anon1768925248]

Well yeah, I am right, and so are the folks that have reported on these things. But absolutely nobody has reported anything close to what you stated in the OP….that winning a conference game magically shíts out another $20 million on top of what would have been made without the win.

The general gist of all the reporting is that college football is big business for small to mid sized college towns, and even larger ones. That’s the “no shít” statement of the century. And that big business is even bigger with winning, but not $20 million per win bigger, for a city of 20,000 people. 90-95% of the money comes from the mere existence of the football program….regardless of any outcomes.

It’s literally in the last article I posted. I am really sorry for continuing this. I post facts backed up by articles. You speak trust me bro. Enjoy your rant.

 

[HailStout]

FIRST ROUND O LINEMAN VISITED

For the love of god people

 

[tired]

I had never heard of this guy before yesterday. Now he is the key to state’s future and we are doomed without him.

 

[Howiefeltersnstch]

Can't even have a good thread about a generational left tackle on a football site.

 

[sandwolf.sixpack]

“A lot more” may come to hang out, tailgate, crash with friends, or just visit for the day, but those people aren’t just hemorrhaging money to the city of Oxford (or Starkville, Tuscaloosa, Athens, etc.).

The people that stay overnight 2 nights in hotels / lodging and eating at restaurants and drinking at bars are responsible for the influx of cash. Very, very few people who aren’t even going to the 17ing game are blowing $1000+ for a hotel, $500+ on eating out / drinking, etc. There simply isn’t room for them.

Here’s another thing: Say there are 20,000 chain hotel rooms that go for $500 a night in Oxford. Probably a gross overshoot on how many there actually are, but lets roll with it. $500 x 20,000 x 2 nights x 7 home games, that’s $140 million for the season.

So, $140,000,000 to Oxford? Nope. They only get whatever city special hotel tax is…..usually like 3% or something. Rest goes to the state, and to the profits and operating expenses of a large multinational corporation. 3% of that is $4.2 million for Oxford….for the whole season…..IF they even had that many rooms (which they don’t).

AirBnB’s? If the owner lives and works in Oxford, does that rental money come into Oxford? Sure. If they live in Florida or California or Jackson or literally anywhere 17ing else besides Lafayette County, does that money come into Oxford? Nope. Only the property tax, which gets paid just the same whether Ole Miss goes 12-0, or totally shuts down their football program.

The bogus premise that every dollar spent in the vicinity of Oxford or any other SEC city on a game weekends constitutes “money into the city” is not reality.

I would typically interpret "money into the city" as money pumped into the local economy....not as the literal dollar amount that winds up in the city's bank account.

 

[Bhamdawg1725]

The other reality is that at least 10-15,000 of that 40,000 aren’t staying in Oxford. They are driving up / driving back from Jackson, Memphis, or whereever….might spend $150 total on a nice meal and then gas.

I agree with nearly everything you’re saying. But the actual number staying is probably the inverse here. Maybe 10-15k stay the weekend, max. The other 25-30k commute.

Which makes the $75mil economic impact figure even more absurd. Furthermore, they’ll never publicize this, but Oxford was extremely disappointed in the spending for the playoff game. Over 400 airbnbs went unbooked bc of the outrageous prices (I know bc I’m an Oxford Airbnb owner). Typical SEC weekends have 20-30 or so go unbooked.

Also worse that it was a day game, making it an easy day trip from Jackson and Memphis. And most of the Tulane fans just stayed in Jackson on the way back.

There was probably 60k out of towners in Oxford for the game. 15k max stayed in Oxford lodging. And spent measurable money off campus. Probably spent about a grand a person, all told. And a nice $15mil economic impact for a random December weekend. A cool $1mil in sales tax rev.

Good for them. Wish we had it in Starkville as well. But zero chance at $75mil. That’s laughable.

 

[HailStout]

 

[Perd Hapley]

It’s literally in the last article I posted. I am really sorry for continuing this. I post facts backed up by articles. You speak trust me bro. Enjoy your rant.

This was the last article you posted:

College Football: A Touchdown for Local Economies — This is Capitalism

College football isn’t just about the games—it’s a powerhouse of economic impact, fueling local businesses, creating jobs, and shaping entire cities. Discover how teams like Alabama, Texas, and Notre Dame transform their communities.

www.thisiscapitalism.org

There is no mention of “$20 million more per SEC win”, no mention of Ole Miss / Oxford at all.

Just say you pulled that statement out of your asś, and get it over with.

 

[Perd Hapley]

I agree with nearly everything you’re saying. But the actual number staying is probably the inverse here. Maybe 10-15k stay the weekend, max. The other 25-30k commute.

Which makes the $75mil economic impact figure even more absurd. Furthermore, they’ll never publicize this, but Oxford was extremely disappointed in the spending for the playoff game. Over 400 airbnbs went unbooked bc of the outrageous prices (I know bc I’m an Oxford Airbnb owner). Typical SEC weekends have 20-30 or so go unbooked.

Also worse that it was a day game, making it an easy day trip from Jackson and Memphis. And most of the Tulane fans just stayed in Jackson on the way back.

There was probably 60k out of towners in Oxford for the game. 15k max stayed in Oxford lodging. And spent measurable money off campus. Probably spent about a grand a person, all told. And a nice $15mil economic impact for a random December weekend. A cool $1mil in sales tax rev.

Good for them. Wish we had it in Starkville as well. But zero chance at $75mil. That’s laughable.

Totally agree with all. Thanks for sharing your perspective as affected local business owner.

My numbers of visitors etc were definitely inflated….just to demonstrate that even if they were that high, there’s still no chance of those capital influx figures to be accurate.

 

[Perd Hapley]

I would typically interpret "money into the city" as money pumped into the local economy....not as the literal dollar amount that winds up in the city's bank account.

Yes, but as a figure relative to how much of an increase is seen from success, the additional tax revenue is about the only way to count that.

Hotel rooms were still $400 a night and booked up a year in advance, and restaurants were packed even during the Matt Luke era. The money is getting pumped in no matter what, unless they just shut down the program.

 

[onewoof]

I guess you’re right and literally everyone that’s reported on this subject at multiple universities is wrong.

That's correct

 

[tired]

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[Howiefeltersnstch]

I'm guessing nobody has heard any rumors about Seaton

 

[Willow Grove Dawg]

chatgpt says there are +/-1100 hotel rooms in Oxford
Starkville +/-800

 

[bulldoghair]

I'm guessing nobody has heard any rumors about Seaton

 

[Perd Hapley]

Lol. Somebody (or multiple somebodies) out there approaching schools pretending to be Seaton’s handler to try and get paid. What a world.

 

[GypsyRoad_Dawg]

Patience is a virtue kids

You can only be down for so long.

 

[Bobby Ricigliano]

Just got off the phone with Uncle Khalil. Remember me when we’re headed to the playoffs next year, boys.

 

[Bobby Ricigliano]

Can't even have a good thread about a generational left tackle on a football site.

Oh, you didn’t know? This isn’t a football site or even a State sports site. It’s an OT site.

 

[BulldogBlitz]

The city of Oxford made 75 million dollars for one home playoff game. Enrollment and donations spiked tremendously when Kiffin was there and winning. Every single SEC win is worth about 20 million dollars to that town’s economy. It’s not asinine. It’s insane that people care enough to spend that type of money on kids playing football, but not asinine.

Did you have fun?

 

[HotMop]

Just got off the phone with Uncle Khalil. Remember me when we’re headed to the playoffs next year, boys.

Thank you for your cervix.