I guess it’s because I wasn’t alive but I never understood the love of the Beatles.
Honest question for those who lived through Vietnam
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I never really cared for the Beatles. I do remember their first appearance on Ed Sullivan, my dad said "look at them long haired hippies" "They need a haircut".
I don’t hate them. Just didn’t understand the love.Jesus wept. A Liberal and Beatle hater. I’ll pray for you.
Jesus wept. A Liberal and Beatle hater. I’ll pray for you.
I was not around when they first came on the scene, but generally much preferred the Stones, the Who, Doors, among others.
But in 1964, they were unique, had a sound unlike any other band anyone had ever heard, and truth be told, Twist and Shout, Help, She Loves You, Hard Days Night, etc., still sound pretty good today, at least IMO.
I was born in 1960, and my siblings and I loved the Beatles when we were young. I got into country music by the mid seventies and never looked back. I’d probably not be able to listen to a complete Beatles song now.
Wasn't alive then, but today, Twitter isn't real life. And all division traces back to how bad the press and media are.
Also of interest, seems back then there were libs demanding free speech, expression, etc...now they want the govt to regulate and punish "wrong think"
Also of interest, seems back then there were libs demanding free speech, expression, etc...now they want the govt to regulate and punish "wrong think"
Politically now and it is not close. I was in the military during Vietnam and there was a group (hippies and college students) that were anti-war. I would say maybe 25%. The split today is probably 50/50. But today is much deeper when it comes to hate.
You could give a hippie a joint and he/she would mellow out and lay in the grass. Today's lefties want to kill you and crush you. The Vietnam protestors wanted to "Give Peace A Chance". Today Antifa wants a total destruction of our society. All in the name of racism.
Of course the Vietnam era was much more divisive. WE had violence in the street and on college campuses. We haven't reached that point yet, just demonstrations.
Between the 24/7 media, social media, mass shootings, terrorism (like Oklahoma City) this period is far more divisive. You end up with a democrat elected in 2020 and all hell fouls break loose. their desire to radically change the USA in the face of a potential depression not gonna go over well at all
It seems more divided now to me, but I was too young to know how bad it was in the 60s.
Today's democrats want an establishment candidate to whisper sweet ******** in their ears backed up by an adoring leftist media. Some are simply too naive and uninformed while others have bought the full leftist agenda. I'll take the brash outsider (Trump) who isn't a career politician and actually wants what's good for the country and has a record to prove it.
You guys would apparently even elect a mentally deteriorated, corrupt, creepy (and accused rapist with evidence to support it) scumbag just to get back to selling out the country and implement more "progressive" identity politics and PC ********. Or you'll vote for whomever the "democratic" party chooses to replace this basement dwelling, dementia suffering idiot.
I'd say it's hella divided now. I choose the candidate who supports America and not the globalist leftist agenda.
Today's democrats want an establishment candidate to whisper sweet ******** in their ears backed up by an adoring leftist media. Some are simply too naive and uninformed while others have bought the full leftist agenda. I'll take the brash outsider (Trump) who isn't a career politician and actually wants what's good for the country and has a record to prove it.
You guys would apparently even elect a mentally deteriorated, corrupt, creepy (and accused rapist with evidence to support it) scumbag just to get back to selling out the country and implement more "progressive" identity politics and PC ********. Or you'll vote for whomever the "democratic" party chooses to replace this basement dwelling, dementia suffering idiot.
I'd say it's hella divided now. I choose the candidate who supports America and not the globalist leftist agenda.
“November 22, 1963.”- One of if not my earliest memories. I was 3 years old, but can still remember my mother coming to the barn to tell my father the news. My dad was stripping tobacco ( native kentuckians know what I’m talking about) and I was with him. I remember how somber they were.
The hate is very notable and overt with many of the young militant lefties. It seems that there are plenty of hard-core dims and libs that would literally sacrifice their young children at the alter if it meant defeating Trump or "winning" over the conservatives.
Being in the education field, a mostly lefty/lib demographic, I see and hear this coming through with many of my colleagues. Many of them are not shy at all about their "hate" for Trump/Republican/Conservatives, etc. and, interestingly, the younger 20-something teachers and staff I work with were very upset about Bernie Sanders dropping his campaign. It amazes me how the younger generation seems to want socialism and nearly come to tears when their man bows out of the race.
Interesting take you had there on your observations of different eras.
Seems that a lot of the divisiveness comes from a stance of , "Well, if the other side weren't so this, didn't do this, blah, blah ad infinitum."
People are imperfect. We've forgotten how to accept our imperfections and work with our countrymen and women instead of having to "win". (But media needs their clicks)
Most interestingly is the people i.e. Congress allowing the slow creep of power acquisition to the Executive since FDR until today. The founders would be appalled.
(Sorry for the semi-tangent.)
People are imperfect. We've forgotten how to accept our imperfections and work with our countrymen and women instead of having to "win". (But media needs their clicks)
Most interestingly is the people i.e. Congress allowing the slow creep of power acquisition to the Executive since FDR until today. The founders would be appalled.
(Sorry for the semi-tangent.)
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Yep. When they killed Kennedy, the country was never the same. To the day I die, I will always believe LBJ was part of the assassination.
I feel like with the internet and 24 hour for profit news all we hear from is the extremes on one side or the other. But otherwise things are actually going really well (outside of this corona freak occurrence obviously). Country was doing fine, no wars, lots more acceptance of different people. Seems in actual normal society people are getting along just fine.
Seems like a lot of old guys are super political, I’m guessing because they’re bored and in the house a lot and watching Fox News all the time or whatever. Or may just be because I’m around my dad and he’s turned into the stereotypical grouchy old man.
Seems like a lot of old guys are super political, I’m guessing because they’re bored and in the house a lot and watching Fox News all the time or whatever. Or may just be because I’m around my dad and he’s turned into the stereotypical grouchy old man.
It's hard to say. In some ways it was worse then and in other ways now. I'm 72, so I was around to see the then first hand. The riots of the late 60"s were horrible. I was a military policeman at the time stationed in Turkey. They offered all us cops an immediate honorable discharge if we would sign a contract to be a policeman in numerous cities back in the states. DC, Detroit, Chicago. You name the major city and it was probably on the list. They didn't get a single taker. When I was in the states, they were expecting a mass protest. This was after the Kent State shootings. They took a bunch of us on alert ready to go on a minutes notice. They gave us all M-16's, but told us no one would be issued bullets. Happily we were not used. I saw major issues between blacks and whites in Viet Nam.
OTOH, I'm definitely more worried about the divide between people now. Depending on how the next few months play out, things could get scary.
OTOH, I'm definitely more worried about the divide between people now. Depending on how the next few months play out, things could get scary.
100%. the leftists have gone scorched earth with their socialist/communist idealogy, and are gaining ground as more of them are being elected to positions of power in our government without much resistance.
The sixties were outwardly more violent in many instances but the political divide is much scarier now.
School was turned that day. The whole country grieved. Now we have politicians and actors literally hoping Trump dies.
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“Good lord you are crazy”- No sir, he ain’t crazy. He has lived the life just as many have in this country. He is a person who knows when the bull has had too much protein, and he goes off his feed. Want me to paint you a picture?
Thinking Mitch might have started a lot of the modern division with the...we need to comprise and do it my way
I not only recorded it when it first aired, I bought the 150 dollar set when it came out. My Dad won't ever talk about it so I've been obsessed with the Vietnam war as long as I can remember. Platoon is my favourite movie.
See I saw Iraq twice and two months in Afghanistan. We lost 10x the people in Vietnam compared to Iraq. I think Vietnam soldiers had it worse in certain respects. They were fighting the most powerful insurgency of the 20th century in the Viet Cong and the professional NVA at the same time. The heat and humidity. Monsoon season. And no coherent strategy. The freaking jungle.
We had it worse in that most of us did multiple deployments. There was literally no plan after taking Baghdad. We fought a ton of insurgents from other countries. It was hot as hell but not humid hot. IEDs were our main enemy. Urban warfare.
The way the Vietnam veterans were treated is a stain on our country. Because after that we got a heroes return.
What hump?Marty Feldman,
You are next on our list!
By the way, you know, I'm a rather brilliant surgeon. Perhaps I can help you with that hump.