Honest question

[Homer J Simpson]

Everything taken into consideration: Coaches, personnel, schemes, schedule, record, experience, etc:

Between OM and MSU, who had the better team? Was the Egg Bowl a fluke? Was it reality?

 

[coach66]

Honest answer, if we played you early I'm the year

We beat you by two or three touchdowns. You did the same to us late in the year. Our coaching fell off badly and we lost our mojo. You guys had a good year and a big win to end your season. Our situation is fixable I hope we do it quickly.

 

[HammerOfTheDogs]

Yes, it was a fluke. A national power goes into a scrappy little underdog's stadium, with an atmosphere more electric than Gay Days at Disney. The national power comes in overconfident, with the knowledge that they had dominated that little school the last three games, 4 out of 5, 5 out of 7, and winning the series over the past quarter century...and it was the perfect storm. They just weren't as hungry, seeing as they already had 8 wins against the likes of national powers like Tennessee, Arkansas, and Auburn. Not only that, but the scrappy little team was desperately fighting for a bowl bid.

State left about 3 touchdowns on the field in the first half. Even if the university of ole miss had had their remarkable 2nd half, State still would've won that game if it wasn't for the errors of the first half.

 

[patdog]

The Egg Bowl was what it almost always is. The home team wins unless the visiting team is just a clearly better team and even then the home team wins about half the time. I think we have a little better overall team but there's not a big difference between the two. Freeze has definitely done a better job than Mullen of getting the most out of his team this year. I think we look to be getting this rivalry back to what it was in the mid-to-late 90s, when the game actually meant something nationally.

 

[xxxWalkTheDawg]

Coaches: MSU. Based on experience, resume, and hardware

Personnel: MSU. In more individual places than not.

Schemes: UM. Suited the players on the field.

Schedule: loaded question. Better as in its finally time to get a full break from playing top 20 OOC teams? MSU. Better as in SOS? Obviously UM

Record: ?? 8 > 6

Experience: overall MSU

Who had the better team? On paper it's MSU. Current year's potential? MSU. Playing as a unit? UM. Saturday after Thanksgiving: UM. Playing with Intensity? UM. In other words its all relative.

Was the egg bowl a fluke? No. As the saying goes, you only get what you put into something. UM played like their life depended on winning and MSU played with the same enthusiasm as writing a research paper.

Was it reality? Nope. Alabama, aTm, and LSU was reality.

 

[FormerlyHighLifeRebel]

Just so I'm clear,

It's your contention that it was Mississippi State that made the errors in the first half.

I'm just confused because I could have sworn that OM coughed up two turnovers and gave up a kickoff return for a TD.

 

[QuaoarsKing]

If you look at the head-to-head matchup, and all common opponents (SEC West teams), it's Ole Miss. It sucks, but it doesn't do us any good to deny it. Dan Mullen and the staff better be aware and adjusting, or else the pendulum will swing back to them for a few years.

 

[Tomas Smid]

Everyone certainly hopes it was a fluke, but deep down there is a growing worry that this Freeze guy might just be one of those rare coaches who "can take his and beat your's or take your's and beat his." Time will tell.

 

[Annapolis_Dog]

Did you really use "national power" when describing MSU?

 

[DAWG61]

Freezus out coached Mullen in this one. 1-0 Freezus. We'll see what a year does of planning for Mullen.

 

[SkullCandy.sixpack]

I'm with Walk. MSU with better players, but Freeze wrung every last ounce of talent out of them. Played way above their skill level. That's what both Mississippi schools will have to do to get to the next level. With two SEC schools in the least populated state in the SEC neither us will ever be able to recruit (year after year) in the top 10 like Bama, LSU, Florida, Georgia.

You will have to be able to do more with less. Freeze did that this year. Dan's turn or we flounder. No matter how good UM recruits this year, they won't be top 10 every year. Freeze will still have to get them to play above their talent level, or it's the lower tier of the SEC forever. Same with us.

 

[jacksonreb]

man i love the pack. you just can't make this stuff up. thanks.

Yes, it was a fluke. A national power goes into a scrappy little underdog's stadium, with an atmosphere more electric than Gay Days at Disney. The national power comes in overconfident, with the knowledge that they had dominated that little school the last three games, 4 out of 5, 5 out of 7, and winning the series over the past quarter century...and it was the perfect storm. They just weren't as hungry, seeing as they already had 8 wins against the likes of national powers like Tennessee, Arkansas, and Auburn. Not only that, but the scrappy little team was desperately fighting for a bowl bid.

State left about 3 touchdowns on the field in the first half. Even if the university of ole miss had had their remarkable 2nd half, State still would've won that game if it wasn't for the errors of the first half.

 

[Coach34]

I'm with Walk. MSU with better players, but Freeze wrung every last ounce of talent out of them. Played way above their skill level.

That's a crock. Mississippi is just as talented as we are- if not more.

QB Bo Wallace- juco AA and Connerly winner
RB Randall Mackey- Juco AA
RB Jeff Scott- 3-star RB
WR Donte Moncrief- 4-star WR and future NFL player
WR Vincent Sanders- 4-star WR
OL Aaron Morris- 4 star
DE CJ Johnson- 5 star
CB Senquez Golson- high 3-star
CB- Charles Sawyer- 3 star
Safety- Trae Elston- 3 star
F/S- Cody Prewitt- 4 star
LB Denzel Nkemdiche- Freshman All-American candidate
CB- Mike Hilton- 3-star
KR- Jaylen Walton- 3-star
DE Channing Ward- 4-star

They have plenty of talented players- they were just underrated becaise they quit on Nutt last year and looked worse than they should have- plus, they were extremely young last year as well.

 

[johnson86-1]

Everything taken into consideration: Coaches, personnel, schemes, schedule, record, experience, etc:

Between OM and MSU, who had the better team? Was the Egg Bowl a fluke? Was it reality?

Still not sure. Clearly Ole Miss has better playmakers. Or at the very least they have playmakers in better positions (I think Banks, Slay, and Russell are all good playmakers, but Banks and Slay need a DL and Safety, Russell needs one deep threat at WR). I think MSU is better from top to bottom. I think this is a reverse from 2009. Who is better depends on the matchups. MSU would probably be upset by fewer teams b/c it doesn't have any huge holes to attack (except for possibly one at DC). Ole Miss's playmakers at least gives it a chance to make plays against superior competition.

But I don't think the Egg Bowl was a fluke, as UM had a coach with a good scheme to take advantage of his offensive players' skills and we had a dc that didn't know how to coach against that. What I'm unclear on is what the hell was going on with our offense. At the beginning of the year, I think it would have been a shootout. I'm not sure why we wouldn't adjust to UM bringing blitzes and why we insisted on trying to throw long passes. We definitely regressed over the course of the year.

 

[Railin Jemmye]

That's the opposite of what you've been saying all year long.

I'm not wasting my time doing a search, but it'd be easy to find.

 

[KurtRambis4]

You

do realize Mutt's posts are 100% sarcasm 100% of the time? He's just trying to get a reaction from people. You fell for it.

 

[Indndawg]

OM is better at skill postions and DL

Everything taken into consideration: Coaches, personnel, schemes, schedule, record, experience, etc:

Between OM and MSU, who had the better team? Was the Egg Bowl a fluke? Was it reality?

MSU slight edge LB and DB.

Key thing is that OM has better speed

 

[slickdawg]

The teams are pretty equally matched. We haven't been the same since the Alabama game, once we got knocked down, we seemed to have trouble getting back up. Freeze did a great job prepping for the game and getting the team fired up.

I don't want to hear Ole Miss doesn't have talent, they do across the board. I don't want to hear 59 scholarship players. If I take our redshirts out, we're down to 65.

 

[Maroonthirteen]

WHen I heard "the better team lost" in 2001 and 2009, I laughed and it was all I could do not to say S-T-F-U. So, I won't use it. But regardless of what these clowns say on here, Mullen is one hell of a coach. He has not lost focused or gone soft. Tyler Russell is one of the best QBs in conference. Moncreif is one the best WRs in the conference. However, across the board, talent wise, I don't think there is any gap between the teams. For various reasons, your defense performed much better than ours. That and home field was the difference the other night.

The reality is State was terrible on defense this year and OM wasn't in near as bad of shape talentwise as people like to think (use as an excuse). OM just needed a coach with his heart in it rather back in Arkansas.

 

[esplanade91]

Russell > Wallace
CBs = MSU
WRs = UM
DL = UM
OL = UM
RB = MSU (used incorrectly and underperforming because of OL... But better)
Mullen > Freeze
UM coaching staff > MSU coaching staff
Who wins the same game if we replayed it? Whoever gets home field.

I can't help but think this is a 2008 situation for Ole Miss. New coach who grabs the emotions of players and gets them to play like they're in Jerry World every Saturday. But what's a better representative of Nutt and Nix's tenure... Blowing out us 45-0 and stopping Tebow on 4&1 or the rest of their time in Oxford where they couldn't stop a nose bleed? Dave Wommack is a terrible coach. He might be able to Joe Lee Dunn himself into job security as long as he has Ward, Gross, Marry, Dekimba Metumbo brothers, and Prewitt but I think when he has to start relying on the guys we rely on Ole Miss might reset their own 2011 record of worst defense in league history.

 

[jacksonreb]

nevermind

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do realize Mutt's posts are 100% sarcasm 100% of the time? He's just trying to get a reaction from people. You fell for it.

 

[GutshotStr8]

IF MSU would have bumped your receivers off the line - MSU wins.

Everything taken into consideration: Coaches, personnel, schemes, schedule, record, experience, etc:

Between OM and MSU, who had the better team? Was the Egg Bowl a fluke? Was it reality?

OM has more athletic players but MSU has more talent.
OM had showed more passion for this game and really wanted it more.
Mullen has proven to be a successful coach, but he knows now that there are some things he has to do differently. I think the Rebs and many of our contrarians will notice some positive changes to the way MSU moves forward in a couple of key areas.

 

[jacksonreb]

perhaps. i do tend to be a trusting soul.

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do realize Mutt's posts are 100% sarcasm 100% of the time? He's just trying to get a reaction from people. You fell for it.

 

[J-Dawg]

Well, you'd be wrong. Rambis was right.

 

[jacksonreb]

i think that early in the yr msu would have won

but ole miss has gotten better steadily as the season wore on. here at the end i think the two are pretty evenly matched BUT and i'll likely get flamed, i think freeze is going to be proven to be the better coach. he definitely outcoached mullen, not only saturday but in the job he did with what he had all yr. homefield, bowl eligibility, etc aside, if the dogs weren't fired up to play us then that's all on the coaching staff. that's why they say throw the records out in rivalry games.

 

[MadDawg.sixpack]

Teams are basically even. Mississippi had better gameplan, execution and adjustments.

In other words, we got completely out-coached.

 

[cofreb]

**Clears Throat**

http://sixpackspeak.yuku.com/reply/650504/Central-Arkansas-is-a-potential-nuclear-weapon
http://maroonandwhitenation.com/?p=3804
http://sixpackspeak.yuku.com/reply/649112/Gambling-thread-Lets-discuss-the-Bears-at-55#reply-649112
http://sixpackspeak.yuku.com/topic/90221

 

[SkullCandy.sixpack]

I sure hope Coach is wrong, and it's not that UM has better talent, because almost every player he listed with UM is a freshman or sophomore. If they have more talented players AND what that have only gets more experienced, and if they have some magic way of recruiting freshman that compete from year one, we are really 17ed.

I'm sticking with Walk said--we are more talented (this year anyway) but need to make adjustments at coaching. I don't believe a couple of mediocre recruiting years (actually their recruiting class last year was terrible) wins in the SEC. When you get that kind of production from freshmen and sophomores--especially with a net loss of over 20 scholarship players...that...is...COACHING

 

[UIUCDog]

OM was the better team, but not by as much as the Egg Bowl score indicates. I agree with some who have said that OM was never as bad, talent-wise, as they seemed to be during Nutt’s last year. They just flat out quit. For that reason, I don’t see Freeze as being some sort of miracle worker. But I will definitely give him credit for getting the most out of his guys. I certainly think that OM’s staff did a much better job overall than MSU’s this year.

There’s really nothing at all you can point to that happened this year that indicates MSU is a better team than OM, except the W-L records. But, as has been covered ad nauseum, our record is smoke and mirrors. (Although I’m perfectly happy to be 8-4 instead of 6-6.)

 

[DanielPlainview]

Are you serious? Your 0-8 "trail of tears" post has already been cued up once this week. Also don't ignore experience. State loses a lot of starts after this year, OM hardly any.

 

[jacksonreb]

well, i still love the pack.

d

 

[NewTweederEndzoneDance]

Holy ****, your hypocrisy really knows no bounds

You flip flop more often than John Kerry. Every single time you are proven wrong you simply change your argument and state the new argument like its been a fact and you have been stating it the entire time.

I still cannot fathom why anyone takes your opinions seriously.

 

[NewTweederEndzoneDance]

Kudos, Mutt

works every time

 

[Coach34]

You flip flop more often than John Kerry. Every single time you are proven wrong you simply change your argument and state the new argument like its been a fact and you have been stating it the entire time.

I still cannot fathom why anyone takes your opinions seriously.

I made a post today that was very factual. Prove it wrong or stfu

 

[DanielPlainview]

You've actually made a lot of previous very detailed posts about how bad we sucked before the Egg Bowl and now one about how we had some starz after the Egg Bowl - so you insured that you would be right once.

 

[121Josey]

The Better Team Won

Everything taken into consideration: Coaches, personnel, schemes, schedule, record, experience, etc:

Between OM and MSU, who had the better team? Was the Egg Bowl a fluke? Was it reality?

MSU played the better first-half of the season. MSU went all in at Bama and mailed in the rest of the season. TSUN got better as the season went on. Their defense came around in a big way, especially the games they didn't have to stay on the field the whole game. I personally thought that the LSU loss would be the equivalent to our Bama-letdown (meltdown).

The difference in the Egg Bowl game: (1) We had a DAWG Captain to set the tone before the game and lay down. He should now be put to sleep. (2) We didn't play close enough in the third quarter to give TSUN a chance to lay down in the fourth quarter.

 

[NewTweederEndzoneDance]

No, you made a post full of cherry-picked facts designed to bolster your new

"opinions" and make it look as if you know what you are talking about. You've made tons upon tons of previous posts, full of also cherry-picked facts designed to bolster your "opinions" and made it seem as if you know what you are talking about, that proved inaccurate. So you did what you always do and changed to a full set of new "cherry picked facts", and set them forth as if you've held that opinion all along, which is completely false. It's your M.O., and its all designed to boost your internet ego. It's sad really.

 

[diddog]

He's right about this one

I've disagreed with Coach34 on many things, namely that Mullen has proven anything, because I think that recruiting is part of being a good college coach. And I think that Mullen's recruiting, until this past year, has been very poor. The proof of this is that Mullen's own recruits from the past three years don't make the field much.

But he is right that Ole Miss has some talent. They have recruited outside the state well. The problem is that Mullen has not recruited well at all. Our best lineman (Jackson and Smith) are all still Croom recruits. Our receivers are almost all Croom recruits. Our secondary is mainly Croom recruits. Our best d-lineman, Boyd, was a Croom recruit. So was our best linebacker. At least we still have our best QB (also a Croom recruit) next year.

 

[patdog]

I mostly agree with you. Not sure that Freeze will prove to be a better coach than Mullen. He definitely outcoached him this year, but for whatever reason Mullen did not do nearly as good a job this year as he did any of the 3 previous seasons. I don't think Freeze did a better job than Mullen did his first season. But I do think they are both good coaches.

 

[Victory Red]

I made a post today that was very factual. Prove it wrong or stfu

"Our streak will get to 5- I'm certain of that. We'll see where things stand in 2014- no way to judge that one yet. You guys could have a chance there" - Coach34

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