Horrible loss….
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We ran same sets vs Memphis and Pitt. Both dominating wins. Same coach, same style. At some point a fella gotta make a shot and block out.
that’s on the player
that’s on the player
When it’s 5 against 4, someone is going to be wide open.
I must’ve turned it off too early to see that effort you’re talking about. I saw Jones Jr busting his rear end off but that was it. What I saw was a lot of standing around letting TX rebound the ball uncontested one too many times. I wish I saw what you saw so I’d feel more optimistic.
We were never a "very good, legit top 10 team." Never even close. This is a top 25 team when it plays well. And outside the top 50 when it doesn't.
How many teams have lost a game when they forced two 10 second calls?
The first and second half were night and day defensively. If they had played the first half like they did the second they would have won by 20.
Jans biggest portal takes:
AWOL PG
Head case Kugel
Bipolar Menendez
Why did he think those guys would help us? He's basically failing in the portal era to an extend. Other than Hubb, what HS recruit has done anything? His recruiting has been poor!
But, he's got a good class coming in this time it appears, with three straight NCAA teams. I dont think coaching is really a problem much, it's the recruiting that's killed us.
AWOL PG
Head case Kugel
Bipolar Menendez
Why did he think those guys would help us? He's basically failing in the portal era to an extend. Other than Hubb, what HS recruit has done anything? His recruiting has been poor!
But, he's got a good class coming in this time it appears, with three straight NCAA teams. I dont think coaching is really a problem much, it's the recruiting that's killed us.
It’s a high Quad 2 loss. Texas’s NET is 41, so this could be a low Quad 1 loss by the time Selection Sunday rolls around. I mean, it sucks to lose like that at home, but it’s not a ‘horrible’ loss.
It will stay as a Quad 2. No way they’ll jump 11 spots unless they make some real noise in the SEC Tournament. I do agree that it’s not a horrible loss.
You're right. I didn't look at their upcoming schedule. OU at home isn't going to move the needle for them.
These moral losses are reeeally piling up.
We lost this game to a team at home that had lost 3 straight and a game we were favored by -6.5 in.
We lost @ OK in a game we were favored in by -4.5
We lost to FL at home in a game we were favored in by -2.5
We lost by 27 POINTS to Mizzou at home in a game we were favored in by -6.5
We lost to KY at home in a game we were favored by -4.5
When are they not 'horrible' losses?
The theme of the day lately is "Jans can coach but can't recruit". Do we think that recruits will look back and say "oh, that wasn't a horrible loss it was Quad blah blah blah and not Quad blah blah blah"? And how about home fans, next season when the bi-tchin and moaning about attendance starts (AGAIN) that's 4 right there that they will remember
Those are all losses we were favored in (Vegas Insider source)
fact-whoever Hub is guarding -it's like shooting with no-one guarding you. 5'8" can't guard 6'3". When Hub is Casper the ghost in the first half we will have a hard time winning. he has to score 30 to make up for His defense. We had to put Jones or Cam on
20 just to slow him down. He is a hell of a player. Kugel was in some kind of funk the first half--played good in second half till crunch time and He had to make 2 free throws and he choked big time. we have lost if Fayetteville with way better teams than this one. Look for us to **** the bed. Then may be win a game in tourney.. Guess we should be glad to make big dance.. we better recruit some 3 point shooters.
20 just to slow him down. He is a hell of a player. Kugel was in some kind of funk the first half--played good in second half till crunch time and He had to make 2 free throws and he choked big time. we have lost if Fayetteville with way better teams than this one. Look for us to **** the bed. Then may be win a game in tourney.. Guess we should be glad to make big dance.. we better recruit some 3 point shooters.
I said after the game, I hope this isn't another Trey Forte situation. MVP of game 1.
I will say, at least Harris has contributed all year. He's a streaky shooter, but plays hard and always looks to have a good demeanor on the court and the bench. I realize this is akin to me setting you up with a girl that's "got a great personality".
This team is obviously what it is at this point. They have some talent but they are rarely enjoyable to watch kind of like Howland's teams I hate to say. We will make the tourney but I will be surprised if we win another game this season. I am kind or ready for it to be over.
Man, mark this as another person that might not be cut out for MSU sports. We were more enjoyable this year than any year since sometime in the former half of Stansbury's tenure. Only team that I think was even close in that range was the year before Covid.
We are a pretty good and dangerous team, but not a good team. It's been a little disappointing because there was a time where I thought we were going to be a top 15 team, but still all in all this has been a fun team to watch play, even if frustrating at times.
Do I think we lost a single recruit because we lost to Kentucky or Texas (or really any of those teams you listed)?
No, I do not, especially not in a historically good season for the conference.
Do I think we could gain recruits by being a perennial tournament team? Yes, I do. That's why Quad 1/2/3/4 wins and losses matter.
Sure, these losses suck and it's frustrating because you know in your heart that we should beat these teams, but in the grand scheme of things, those losses aren't going to keep us out of the NCAA Tournament, which is what really matters. The difference between a 7 seed and a 9 seed? Sure, but who cares?
Now, your point on attendance is well taken. These losses could affect attendance, especially those demoralizing home losses, but that's the fickle nature of our basketball fanbase. It's been that way for decades now. That being said, I don't know if that's something specific to our fanbase and I don't know what kind of success metrics have to be met to break that cycle (or if those milestones exist at all).
Doesn't look like its in any better shape than basketball does it? But I'm not going to sit here and apologize for them and say "we were on the road this past weekend and its hard to win there", or "its cold outside and the bats will heat up when it gets warm", Bullshat.....all of those teams were on the road this past weekend and in our 2 opening weekend series also and all the teams we've been playing have all batted in the same temperatures we have. No excuses
How do you sweep under the rug 5 basketball losses you were favored in, 4 of them at home? Just getting to the tournament (NCAA) is a weak nail to hang a hat on. Those 5 losses in games we were favored in can be a big difference in going 1 and done or snagging a win or two.
This whole basketball season has been one big apology since the KY loss at home. Now the "wait till the end of the conference season because we were loaded up on front end" gang suddenly sees we are 1-3 in the last 2 weeks with a road game at Bud Walton Saturday
Been a long time since Lunardi said we were a 2 seed and fans were saying we would be Top 5 if we beat KY........
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I agree with what you said except this. The difference between the 6/7 seed line and the 8/9 is gigantic. With what I would boil down to the OU and UT losses lately, we've basically played our way into a guaranteed second round exit AT BEST.
I still think we are capable of beating some of the highest ranked teams in the country, depending on their style of offense. But Auburn, Duke, Houston, whoever the other 1 seed is... they all shoot the 3. That's all that matters. We aren't stepping up to beat any of the 1 seeds, which is what the 8/9 gets second round. And that is IF we get a good (non-3pt-shooting) matchup as the first round 9 seed.
If not for these two losses, we're at least a 6 and I would give us a puncher's chance for the second weekend in the tournament. Not now, unless we hit the lottery twice in the bracket.
Prepare thy anus for the three point shooting white boys at Creighton and a first round bow out.
I am aware and will prepare accordingly.
@****, thoughts or tips on proper preparation?**
(eta: I changed my mind and backed out of the joke.)
Let me preface this by saying again that I like Jans, but here’s the part that I put on him
If you want to coach a team to focus on hard nosed defense, fine.
If you want to switch gears and build a roster of shooters, fine.
What you can’t do, though, is completely sacrifice a team’s defensive tenacity for shooting, and then find out that you somehow brought in a bunch of guys that can’t shoot. We’ve now got a team that isn’t particularly great at anything, and we’ve got 3-4 guys in a 8 man rotation that give us absolutely nothing way too often.
If you want to coach a team to focus on hard nosed defense, fine.
If you want to switch gears and build a roster of shooters, fine.
What you can’t do, though, is completely sacrifice a team’s defensive tenacity for shooting, and then find out that you somehow brought in a bunch of guys that can’t shoot. We’ve now got a team that isn’t particularly great at anything, and we’ve got 3-4 guys in a 8 man rotation that give us absolutely nothing way too often.
I mean I like Jans. There's no denying what he's done. But how many guys have to have career days from three before we admit we're the problem? Could we at least try getting beaten by post-ups?
I've watched almost every game we've played and there are a few things that even a novice like me can see:
1. Cam should never shoot threes. Immediate benching if he tries one that isn't a shot clock save attempt
2. No more traps. Let them run a post game against us. How many teams are disciplined enough to keep feeding the post?
3. Do more offense for defense (and vice versa) subs in late game scenarios. We can't have Hubbard guarding the SEC's leading scorer in a late game situation and we sure as heck can't have Cam shooting vital free throws.
I've watched almost every game we've played and there are a few things that even a novice like me can see:
1. Cam should never shoot threes. Immediate benching if he tries one that isn't a shot clock save attempt
2. No more traps. Let them run a post game against us. How many teams are disciplined enough to keep feeding the post?
3. Do more offense for defense (and vice versa) subs in late game scenarios. We can't have Hubbard guarding the SEC's leading scorer in a late game situation and we sure as heck can't have Cam shooting vital free throws.
It really looks like we are worn down and our legs are gone. SEC has been a grind on every team but we seem affected more than most. Will likely lose 4 of 5 going into SEC tourney and I don't see us getting more than 1 win max in the NCAA tourney given we will likely see a 1 seed in the second round. We are a shell of the team we were coming into the SEC season where we started out destroying SC and beating Vandy handily in Nashville.
It was a HORRIBLE loss. Team coming in to our arena on a three game skid where they have looked like tore up dogcrap and stick it to us. Now, we're looking at losing 5 of our last 6-7 games. It drops our seeding in both the SECT and NCAAT. The timing of the loss, a home game(Senior Night to boot) plus all these factors make it a HORRIBLE loss. You can say it isn't but it is. Just bad.
8/9 would be a disappointment after the start.
I still would rather be a 7 instead of a 6 seed.
It was good to see a game live, because I got to see them warm up. Let me rephrase, I got to see Texas warm up. During warm ups (this is the time before the game where Texas warms up on one half of the court, and MSU stands around on the other end apparently just to keep Texas from having access to the whole court), I told my son we were losing this game - there was no question about it.
Meh. It's not that big of a difference. Do you really think it matters much whether we play Duke / Houston or Iowa St. / Michigan St. in the 2nd round? Assuming we get past an 8, 9, 10 seed in the 1st round, which is far from a given.
Therein lies the rub for me. You can't be that bi-polar. Anybody that has played any level of sports has probably played for a team like that and it is 17n miserable for players and fans.
We are consistently inconsistent. Nothing is more frustrating than wasted potential.
This is false, at least for me.
22-23 and 23-24 seasons were much more enjoyable to watch as a fan, having watched every game all 3 seasons myself. I had hope back then. At least in the 23 and 24 seasons, we knew who we were and we could reliably count on being in any game solely because of how our defense played.
This year, if the other team makes 3 or 4 threes early on, you know it's going to be a rough night. Then, if the other team doesn't start trying to build a house brick by brick, we all know that we can't score enough to catch up OR stop the other team. Our success is totally dependent on our opponents ability to nail the open 3's that we decide to give them.
I'm expecting that in the NCAAT we get matched up with (insert team here) that hits 10+ 3s at 48%, and we go down without even a whimper, because that IS who we are. That is what we have all been set up to expect, and you would be crazy not to based on results this season.
Having every almost every team we play have someone with a career night from 3 is definitely NOT enjoyable. It's predictable at this point, and dare I say, disappointing at the very least.
Is it really gigantic though? We haven't made it out of the first weekend since Bill Clinton's first term. We're going to struggle to get to the sweet 16 no matter if the team is a 1, 2, or 3 seed.
Pump the brakes now. I was told our sports are doing well just the competition is really good. **
problem with that is we play in the sec if our competition is getting better so should we. Baseball is crap now compared to the top of the conference where we used to be. Basketball nowhere near the top of conference either.
At this point that's all I really care about. Improve on last year. Pray we keep our basketball Dan Mullen, because you know he's looking around. Then hopefully keep it going next year and beyond.
The reason why this is all so frustrating is the same reason that I'm so into it at the moment.....because Jans made us care more and think we could do better. Similar to what Mullen did, when we were all but checked out due to the Croom Error.
And plus I know our NIL can compete in basketball, unlike football. There's a little hope there.
Uh... yes, it matters a lot. Have you seen them play?
Michigan State: 29.7% and 165 3-pointers made. That's worse than us in both categories, if you can believe that.
Duke: 38.5% and 313 3-pointers made.
I would no doubt rather play Michigan State - I know what happened last year, and yes I'd still want to play them.