that's just the way it is. I can see how he can sway these southern parents and kids to come play football for him at Ole Miss. Their recruits and families seem comfortable with him and unless you have the resume of a guy like Saban that is what matters. OTOH, Mullen is a very dry, business only guy from the north. He just seems to have a problem closing the deal on these kids with in home visits, phone calls, etc. in January. This is the 2nd straight year where MSU's class has taken a huge hit in January.
Houston Nutt's personality is better suited for recruiting
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that's just the way it is. I can see how he can sway these southern parents and kids to come play football for him at Ole Miss. Their recruits and families seem comfortable with him and unless you have the resume of a guy like Saban that is what matters. OTOH, Mullen is a very dry, business only guy from the north. He just seems to have a problem closing the deal on these kids with in home visits, phone calls, etc. in January. This is the 2nd straight year where MSU's class has taken a huge hit in January.
it like it is and they don't kiss you ***...he looks for guys who want to play for Mississippi State..who have the desire to play for Mississippi State....he may be abrasive...that's what we need at State...he will not lie to the recruits. they will never be disappointed with him because he is an honest man...and he is one helluva football coach...clap clap clap..and slow. Dan is THE MAN
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It was his game day coaching, uniforms and stubbornness that I hated. Croom did, however, have a hard time landing the QBs and WRs, which Dan has improved tremendously on. We'd have never had a shot with the Bumphis' and Morrow's of the world had Dan not been here.
Mullen, like Croom, got blue collar type guys in here that wanted to be at MSU. That's the MSU type culture, at least with the football program, and that's where we differ the most from Ole Miss right now. That's why our guys play so hard. When you get guys who don't give a *$%+ you get a Jackie or Pat Pat type situation. Nafoom bitched all season about how their guys never showed up to play. That's not a Houston Nutt trademark. Something else is awry in that program.
Mullen, like Croom, got blue collar type guys in here that wanted to be at MSU. That's the MSU type culture, at least with the football program, and that's where we differ the most from Ole Miss right now. That's why our guys play so hard. When you get guys who don't give a *$%+ you get a Jackie or Pat Pat type situation. Nafoom bitched all season about how their guys never showed up to play. That's not a Houston Nutt trademark. Something else is awry in that program.
or else you will not get the elite talent you need to compete consistently in the SEC. That's great that he is finding guys who want to wear the maroon and white, but that doesn't matter if some of those guys are a tad too slow, don't weigh enough, etc. This isn't the WAC. You compete against blue chip talent week in and out in the SEC and you need to have the talent to at least be close enough for coaching abilities. to win out. That's why I don't think Ole Miss is really dangerous with these guys, what hurts is that they're taking the elite talent from a coach who could actually utilize it.
Two coaches doing their level best to steer players to Ole Miss and away from State. This whole overreaction is just ridiculous. Face it Ole Miss is pretty devoid of quality skill players except maybe Summers and Scott. It's easy to sell immediate starting ability.
Plus had coach Hud stayed we may very well have pulled in Tobias Singleton. That hurt far more than people realize. With the all out media thrashing that Starkville receives 24/7 and our defeatist fans it's a wonder any player would come to Starkville.
We keep winning and they have another losing season next year (which is more than likely) and we'll bring in the type of class we hoped this one to be.
Plus had coach Hud stayed we may very well have pulled in Tobias Singleton. That hurt far more than people realize. With the all out media thrashing that Starkville receives 24/7 and our defeatist fans it's a wonder any player would come to Starkville.
We keep winning and they have another losing season next year (which is more than likely) and we'll bring in the type of class we hoped this one to be.
save for Nick Saban. Mack Brown, Les Miles, Pete Carroll when he was at SC, Kiffin, etc. All of these guys have the kind of out going personality that can win over recruits in that last stretch of recruiting with in-homes and the phone calls. Mullen isn't really like that, he is like Saban. A no-non sense type of guy. Like Saban, he will have to rack up skins on the wall to become a better recruiter as Saban did early on at LSU.
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Our recruiting is still as good as theirs, stars be damned. And it has been for the past 3 years. We've beaten them in 2008, 2009 and 2010 (They will argue that we haven't, but we have). So while it sucks not to get those two, we've still better overall players. I will change my tune if our own commitments, Johnson and Whitehead, commit to Ole Miss. For all intents and purposes Singleton and Brassell were never committed to MSU, we all know this.
Dan's personality is not the best for recruiting, and this is nothing new.
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It is what it is. Dan is a great coach, not the most amenable guy to some recruits. Needs to learn to sweet talk the mamas better, too.
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at their first head coaching stints. If you think he's going to replicate Saban's success at Alabama, you're fooling yourself about your own school. And before you start with the EXPECT MORE LOLOHAHA ******** argument, let's get rooted in reality a little bit.
with a lame duck coach is nothing to brag about. It's time to step on the throat of Ole Miss, not play around with them. Splitting or losing out on the majority of the top tier talent will not get this State program any further ahead of where it is right now. Maybe 9-4 is all people want to see, I don't know. If Mullen wants to get to Atlanta he better start cleaning up next year by taking Quay Evans, Channing Ward, Alford, Grindle, etc. and not splitting jack **** with Hootie or whatever coach will be there. Mississippi has great football talent, but the quantity isn't enough to sustain a consistent program if you split on the elite talent. 2009 was a huge year for MSU in recruiting where you can look and say the top tier talent was nearly all taken by MSU. 2010 it was split down the middle and in 2011 Ole Miss is winning big. 1/3 isn't good enough.
you can only recruit there if you hav a gimmicky system like Petrino has. that was a very smart hire by their AD on numerous levels. A school located up in the Ozarks hours and hours away from the big southen recruiting hot beds isn't an easy draw, brotha.
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that's where they are spending ALL their efforts. Nutt needs to concentrate on actually coaching football. He knows that beating MSU for a recruit will keep the OM faithful happy, if only for a short while.
Recruiting is far more than a coach sitting in a living room with a momma. Alabama and auburn are om the next level when it comes to that. Is anyone shocked one of the best RB recruits from Florida committed to Bama, well Alabama just dropped some serious coin on his high school to fix up their facilities. There is a reason Pogue and Hall prefer Ole Miss, I'm guessing they get support from some OM alums. And there is nothing wrong with that.
Just becaus ehtye had a ****** year, and most likely will have another one next it does not mean their recruiting network is going to disappear. If Mullen needs to do anything more it's probably make better relationships with programs we can rely on. Add on the fact that the Ole Miss fans know they have to pull out all the stops this year to avoid being last place in the SEC West for quite a while.
Just becaus ehtye had a ****** year, and most likely will have another one next it does not mean their recruiting network is going to disappear. If Mullen needs to do anything more it's probably make better relationships with programs we can rely on. Add on the fact that the Ole Miss fans know they have to pull out all the stops this year to avoid being last place in the SEC West for quite a while.
locker room problems, coaching problems, major attrition problems, ****** lines, etc. isn't that big of a deal. Now, adding those two big time WRs to a 9-4 team that lacked a few big plays here and there is a HUGE mfing deal. That is the problem. Yes, MSU doesn't need Snoop Brassell or Tobias to win, they need those types to get over the top in those Arkansas/AU type games we saw this year. OTOH, Whitehead and C.J are necessities. You CANNOT lose those two if you are Mullen.
U are saying OM and Nutt are obsessed with sabotaging MSU by trying to recruit the best possible talent in Mississippi? If I understood you correctly that may be one of the dumbest things I have ever heard. Doesn't every school want to recruit the best talent?
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Your school's football program is very desperate. You KNOW Ole Miss is down in the dumps when they've resorted to putting the full court press on MSU's commitment list in order to get players to come there.
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a pimple on our asscrack. They are just in the way. But, it's always like that. Probably how they felt two years ago. This state just isn't really big enough for the both of us. That's why the rivalry has some of the most hate around. We hold each other back so much.
Recruiting the best talent was attacking MSU's commitment list. Both schools compete for the same talent year after year, and this is why both teams struggle to be consistent.
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