How bad would we have to be this year for Croom to get fired?
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he would still be our coach next year. Give the fire Croom comments a rest, he ain't going nowhere no matter how bad some of us want him to.
He isn't going anywhere this year unless the team collapses and people quit attending games. Next year he should have a better team so he may end up hanging around for a few more years keeping us mired in the depths of the cellar.</p>
to think we've got to put up with this crap another year. With our luck we'll win 3 or 4 this year and go 6-6 next year and be stuck for 2 more years of it. Our only hope is for McCroomvy to resign..........and I'm not holding my breath for that one.</p>
I agree. I don't even think 1-11 would get him fired, though I do think there is potential that if you have a bad enough season, they put pressure on him to make changes with assistants, particularly McCorvey if the offense doesn't improve.
Coming off a winning season, he's bought himself an extra year past this one unless there are some off the field issues that push him out. Simply losing wouldn't be enough.
Granted, I could see a scenario similar to Cutcliffe if you were to go 3-9 or something along those lines. I think if you were to go 3-9 or worse, maybe even 4-8, Byrne may put pressure on him to find a new OC or make some other changes. Knowing Croom and his loyalty, I think there would be a good chance that he'd refuse, like Cutcliffe did, and if that happened, it would just be a matter of whether or not Byrne would actually pull the trigger, or whether he'd back off and let him have another year regardless. To me, that's the only way outside of off field incidents, that he would get pushed out after this fall.
I still think your team rebounds enough to get 5, maybe 6 wins though, which would make the discussion a moot ("mute" for the idiots) point.
Coming off a winning season, he's bought himself an extra year past this one unless there are some off the field issues that push him out. Simply losing wouldn't be enough.
Granted, I could see a scenario similar to Cutcliffe if you were to go 3-9 or something along those lines. I think if you were to go 3-9 or worse, maybe even 4-8, Byrne may put pressure on him to find a new OC or make some other changes. Knowing Croom and his loyalty, I think there would be a good chance that he'd refuse, like Cutcliffe did, and if that happened, it would just be a matter of whether or not Byrne would actually pull the trigger, or whether he'd back off and let him have another year regardless. To me, that's the only way outside of off field incidents, that he would get pushed out after this fall.
I still think your team rebounds enough to get 5, maybe 6 wins though, which would make the discussion a moot ("mute" for the idiots) point.
....you've just turned in your "I'm a reasonable person card" with this gem:
Have fun with Peaches and Mr. Rebounding Fundamentals. I do not get this board sometimes.
about recognizing after 5 f'n years that Croom is too thick-headed to ever get it. He is not a qualified head coach at this level. He is simply out of his league. It is time for the moment of recognition to occur at the highest levels (assuming it has not already occurred) so his removable can be dealt with properly. 22 more games, proper buyout, move on.
After 5 years he will have won 20-22 games and lost 37-39. It will have taken him 5 seasons to win 10 conference games. He's had MORE THAN a fair shot at it.
After 5 years he will have won 20-22 games and lost 37-39. It will have taken him 5 seasons to win 10 conference games. He's had MORE THAN a fair shot at it.
Ridiculous. Absolutely ridiculous. Just let it play out. You are just assuming we win 3-5 this year. If that is the case, then he definitely deserves to be on the hotseat going into 2009. However, we are 1-1, coming off an 8 win season. If we want to judge him like this board wanted to judge Cohen, he's basically gone 3-9 and 8-5: 1 good year and 1 bad. Was 2007 a fluke? Or was La Tech a fluke? One of them was. The rest of the season will tell, but it's absolutely ridiculous to wish failure, especially after one ****** loss.
to have the opinion that Croom is not going to get this thing turned around. I hope I'm wrong and he does get it turned around. But in 5 years, I haven't seen anything to make me believe he will ever be able to have any sustained success here (or anywhere else). Last year was great, but some of us have been telling some of you for months now that it wasn't something that could be sustained without some real fundamental improvement in the team, especially the offense. We're only 2 games in, but the results so far support our position.
Since I don't think Croom will ever be successful here, I can't wait until we hire our next coach. Again, I hope I'm wrong.
Since I don't think Croom will ever be successful here, I can't wait until we hire our next coach. Again, I hope I'm wrong.
Doing this countdown until his buy out is dumb as hell. Nobody has a clue what will happen in the next 2 years and I feel pretty confident that you idiots have no control or money to have any impact whatsoever with what will happenShmuley said:
...the results are simply not in or are inconclusive. We racked up 400 yards in 2.5 quarters the other night against a D-1AA team. You can't tell **** from that, but you can't conclude that we're worse. We are finally showing some creativity. McCrae looks like a big time receiver, and Ducre looks great. Our line doesn't look as good, mainly due to the loss of Brown and Sherrod not playing much. You going to blame Croom for that?
If we win less than 6 games this year, then he needs to absolutely be on the hotseat with the pressure of having a winning season in 2009 or getting fired. But there are 10 games left. Let it play out. This is why I constantly point out that you just dislike the guy and hope he fails. I can't stand people like that. It is in MSU's best interest for Croom to succeed, and if you can't see that, you're, well, blind.
If we win less than 6 games this year, then he needs to absolutely be on the hotseat with the pressure of having a winning season in 2009 or getting fired. But there are 10 games left. Let it play out. This is why I constantly point out that you just dislike the guy and hope he fails. I can't stand people like that. It is in MSU's best interest for Croom to succeed, and if you can't see that, you're, well, blind.
you can't fire him this year or next. He's got at least two years before you can send him packing
Do you really not understand the difference between hoping someone fails and thinking he will fail? Hell, I bought season tickets this year on the hope that Croom would be able to post a winning record this year. Against my better judgment, I sheepishly predicted he'd win 7 games before the season started. I sure as hell wasn't listening to my head when I made that prediction. I predicted that many because I hoped he would win 7 games again.
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This is year 5 for Croom. Anything that happens with this football team, good or bad, is totally his responsibility. It's his responsibility to recruit enough quality players to be able to withstand injuries or discipline problems. So, while I don't blame him for Brown shooting a gun on campus or Sherrod being injured, I do blame him for not having decent backups. And losing Brown and Sherrod hasn't had a damn thing to do with our guards getting lit up on every play vs. LA Tech (and even a few times against SE LA).</p>
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This is year 5 for Croom. Anything that happens with this football team, good or bad, is totally his responsibility. It's his responsibility to recruit enough quality players to be able to withstand injuries or discipline problems. So, while I don't blame him for Brown shooting a gun on campus or Sherrod being injured, I do blame him for not having decent backups. And losing Brown and Sherrod hasn't had a damn thing to do with our guards getting lit up on every play vs. LA Tech (and even a few times against SE LA).</p>
...we all know that at State, we should expect to have a two deep offensive line every year.
As far as hoping vs.wishing, I do understand the difference. And I've read your posts for a long time. I very much understand the difference.
As far as hoping vs.wishing, I do understand the difference. And I've read your posts for a long time. I very much understand the difference.
haha i've been waiting for some of you bandwagon croom homers to start bashing him again...just gives me more confidence that last year was a fluke for you guys...its only week 3 ya should choose one side of the fence or the other...and as a response to a post above about croom pulling one out of his ***, he used all those up last year looks like another year for miss st. 3-8!