How can Calipari not get exposed?

[markymark.sixpack]

There's no way in hell to get whatever players you want year in and year out without cheating. Surely there's a trail somewhere. Somebody willing to talk. He's never even won an NC. With all the talent he's had, 2009 Memphis was the closest he ever got and beyond that he's flamed out early in the tournament (with exception of UMass in 96). Why would EVERY top recruit choose him over Roy Williams at UNC, Mike hard-word at Duke, Bill Self at Kansas, etc., etc.?? Gimme an effin break. If we get two 5 star recruits in a 3 year span, the NCAA starts investigating. This is ridiculous.

Oh yeah, link to why I started ranting

http://basketballrecruiting.rivals.com/content.asp?CID=1086465

 

[markymark.sixpack]

There's no way in hell to get whatever players you want year in and year out without cheating. Surely there's a trail somewhere. Somebody willing to talk. He's never even won an NC. With all the talent he's had, 2009 Memphis was the closest he ever got and beyond that he's flamed out early in the tournament (with exception of UMass in 96). Why would EVERY top recruit choose him over Roy Williams at UNC, Mike hard-word at Duke, Bill Self at Kansas, etc., etc.?? Gimme an effin break. If we get two 5 star recruits in a 3 year span, the NCAA starts investigating. This is ridiculous.

Oh yeah, link to why I started ranting

http://basketballrecruiting.rivals.com/content.asp?CID=1086465

 

[MSU124]

I agree. Not only are they 5* players he is getting, he is getting the TOP 5* players.

 

[ArlngtnDawg]

Look at how many of those players went on to be 1st round draft picks.

I have no proof but I would bet a large sum of money that if you make a list of coaches and how many players they have had drafted his name would be at the top.

Players don't give a rats *** about playing in college or playing for a national championship. They want to get paid and they know Cal is going to let them showcase their skills.

He may never win a championship because teams with experience have an advantage over a team full of all star freshman and that is all he will ever have.

Not saying he isn't a dirty cheater, just sayin, I can see why players would flock to him.

 

[Optimus Prime 4]

I'd say he's got a better track record with them than the coaches you listed

 

[Coach34]

There's no way in hell to get whatever players you want year in and year out without cheating. Surely there's a trail somewhere. Somebody willing to talk. He's never even won an NC. With all the talent he's had, 2009 Memphis was the closest he ever got and beyond that he's flamed out early in the tournament (with exception of UMass in 96). Why would EVERY top recruit choose him over Roy Williams at UNC, Mike hard-word at Duke, Bill Self at Kansas, etc., etc.?? Gimme an effin break. If we get two 5 star recruits in a 3 year span, the NCAA starts investigating. This is ridiculous.

Oh yeah, ]http://basketballrecruiting.rivals.com/content.asp?CID=1086465[/url]

Because most of your black kids don't give a **** about March Madness. They don't want to spend their time in the classroom of a college. They want to play in the NBA. And Calipari gets players into the NBA.

Most of White America thinks college, education, and hopefully pro sports if I'm lucky...but most likely working some job.
Most of Black America thinks pro sports and if that doesnt work out, I'll figure something out.

Thats the reality, whether people want to admit it or not

 

[tenureplan]

Replace black kids with underprivilledged/impoverished/inner city and white kids with well-to-do/middle or upper class and you are on the right track.

besides, alot of white baseball players leave school early for the minors...

 

[Hanmudog]

It has much more to do with the economic background and up bringing of the recruits versus the race of the recruit.

 

[jcdawgman18]

The GQ article someone posted yesterday was a good example of how little trail, if any, there is. The guy worked on that story for YEARS and he still didn't have many details about Worldwide Wes actually operates.</p>

 

[patdog]

It has much more to do with the economic background and up bringing of the recruits versus the race of the recruit.

there's a fairly significant correlationbetween those things.

 

[Coach34]

on the race part not being a huge factor...there is no doubt economic factors play a big role as well...However, take baseball for example- how many black kids sign pro contracts instead of going to college and playing college baseball? That number is ridiculous. With pell grants and everything available, they could easily go to college if that was a desire.

Sometime when you are at a mall or some other crowded venue, check out how many non-white kids are wearing pro teams sports gear vs college gear...There is nothing wrong with them preferring pro ball over college, but that is the reality.

 

[RebelBruiser]

I don't know how it works, but there is a system in place, and Calipari, simply is in the best position to be able to take advantage of it.

That's why the NCAA will always only be able to get him on things like they did with Rose and Camby (cheating on an ACT and having contact with an agent). Unless something big blows up at some point, they'll never get him for what he does on the recruiting trail. It's a system, and however it works, Worldwide Wes delivers the players to Cal. I don't know how or what Cal does to reciprocate Worldwide Wes, but he does something.

 

[TheStateUofMS]

on the race part not being a huge factor...there is no doubt economic factors play a big role as well...However, take baseball for example- how many black kids sign pro contracts instead of going to college and playing college baseball? That number is ridiculous. With pell grants and everything available, they could easily go to college if that was a desire.

Sometime when you are at a mall or some other crowded venue, check out how many non-white kids are wearing pro teams sports gear vs college gear...There is nothing wrong with them preferring pro ball over college, but that is the reality.

Hate to say it but I agree with Coach. And it's not racist. It is reality like Coach said. Hopefully we don't get some of those politically correct *** hats on this thread.

 

[tommyboy1520]

But that has absolutely nothing to do with how much pigment is in their skin. It is solely because of their socio-economic upbringing. Yes, MOST of the poor and impoverished kids are black, especially in the south, but they're not poor and impoverished because of their genes.

 

[markymark.sixpack]

if he signs 4-5 top 25 kids a year, then why shouldn't he have 4-5 kids a year getting drafted? I've never even coached a pee wee basketball team, but i could've taken his team this year and gotten 5 of them drafted.

look at orton...never even stepped on the court for the most part and he's projected to go top 15. you think Cal had something to do with that? who has he ever "coached up"? The thug from Memphis (Dozer, I think) is the only one I can recall. The rest were 1st rounders no matter where they played or who they played for.

Roy Williams had basically his whole team drafted last year, UNC has just as good a history as KY, and Roy has more hardware. So yeah, i can see Cal getting the recruit over him every once in awhile...or even 50/50. But it's more like 9 of 10. The #1 recruit is going wherever Cal goes, even if he changes jobs in the offseason. I'm sorry, but there's no way in hell he's on the up and up. if you think he is, you're just not living in the real world.</p>

 

[patdog]

I don't know how or what Cal does to reciprocate Worldwide Wes, but he does something.

I think he gives him blow jobs.

 

[ckDOG]

one fact doesn't necessarily drive the other. Being black/white doesn't make one poor/rich and being poor/rich doesn't make one black/white.

 

[MadDawg.sixpack]

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[ckDOG]

I'm not PC at all, but I'm smart enough not to attribute behaviors to color of skin. Coach may very well be right in his observation that black kids tend to value pro-sports over education. If he can prove it, that's fine. But, there are many many many other variables involved persuading actions - skin color is probably the least of them. Saying somebody acts one way because they are black/white/whatever is ignorant.

 

[Hanmudog]

Coach, your theory is too simplistic. Jarvis and Barry are two good examples. They came from good, close families with a good set of values that put an emphasis on education and hard work. Your view isskewed by the fact that most of your top recruits are black and therefore they are the ones with a shot at the NBA. If the top recruits were white then I don't think things would be that different.

 

[Coach34]

they had no other option- so they are a poor example

The point remains- in baseball, when given the chance at basically a free education through grants and scholarships, or signing pro ball for even the smallest of amounts in the 44th round, black kids overwhelmingly sign a pro contract.

I'm not trying to hurt anybody's feelings here by telling the truth...but it is, indeed the truth.

 

[Coach34]

in public schools in which the number of black kids was higher than whites for 6 of my 13 years...and public 8 of those 13

 

[MrHooch]

but what does it matter? I thought he was going to make the jump to the NBA and coach LeBron at Chicago next season? What happened to that?

 

[Hanmudog]

I'm sorry I could have sworn Barry and Jarvis were black. Like I said, the top recruits are mostly black and there fore more likely to be wanted by the NBA. If they were white it would not be any different. It does not have anything to do with their skin tone.

 

[jcdawgman18]

Not out of high school, but after his junior year. He decided to come back AND PAY HIS OWN WAY instead of staying in a draft where he was considered to be a borderline first rounder. A ton of guys will stay in on a lot less than that.

 

[Hanmudog]

Lawrence Roberts. He came from a solid family and not from a poor background therefore he stayed another year.

I am not arguing that most of the kids in these situations are black because that is obvious. However it has much more to do with economics and family upbringing than race. A white kid from a poor background and a broken home that is a top recruit would be just as likely to skip college for the NBA. There just are not as many of them in that situation.

 

[Coach34]

I decided to check a middle round of last year's draft- here's what I found of HS players drafted:

AaRon Lafountain- California- black- signed pro
Almon Roache- Michigan - unsigned (couldnt find anything recent)
Jonathan Hauser- Virginia- white- VCU
Richard Shaffer- NC- white- Clemson
Anthony Bryant- Washington- white- Oregon State
Josh Dunn- Fla- black- signed pro
Demetrius Mckelvie- NC- black- signed pro
Austin House- New Mexico- white- U of NM


I know thats a small sample...but is pretty much the norm- and it's kid from all over the country- not just the South

 

[Coach34]

why are kids considering going to Europe out of HS rather than attend 1 year of free college?

 

[PineGroveBully]

That UK made the text message accusations go away once GB asked them to provide cell phone records so that he could punish possible MSU students that may have sent racist messages. Thought it was possible that said cell phone records would be traced back to WWW footing phone bills. That is totally speculative but not that hard to believe.

 

[Hanmudog]

I will be honest. I do not know enough about baseball prospects to even make an educated statement about it.

It is tough to compare kids going pro in baseball versus basketball because the entire system is so different with the minor leagues and the number of rounds in the draft.

 

[fishwater99]

C34 was speaking in general terms and he is correct this time.

 

[DerHntr]

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[ckDOG]

I'm simply stating you can't attribute that to genetics or race. That's all. You downplayed the external forces at play and emphasized the race part. I don't think you meant anything harmful by that, I just don't think you can attribute race as a reason for certain behavior.

 

[Coach34]

in the black race in the US...and I think economics play a lesser part as far as how they are raised...economics comes in when you measure free education vs getting paid X amount of dollars in pro sports- and in the black culture, overwhelmingly college gets passed up