How could Templton be so clueless?

smellmyfinger

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Just thinking about howbat **** crazyhe was, everything from our football scheduling to the hiring of Croom. Not to mention the seating he gave to fans of the opposition.As the Athletic Directorit was his responsibility to keep our facilities up to par, instead great venues like the Dude just got minimal upkeep under his watch in the later years. GB did more in his short tenure than LT did in the last 12yrs of his watch! <17> I'm glad that guy is gone.
It pisses me off that one guy could be so freakin incompetent and keep his job for that long.
 

smellmyfinger

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Just thinking about howbat **** crazyhe was, everything from our football scheduling to the hiring of Croom. Not to mention the seating he gave to fans of the opposition.As the Athletic Directorit was his responsibility to keep our facilities up to par, instead great venues like the Dude just got minimal upkeep under his watch in the later years. GB did more in his short tenure than LT did in the last 12yrs of his watch! <17> I'm glad that guy is gone.
It pisses me off that one guy could be so freakin incompetent and keep his job for that long.
 

AROB44

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Actually, the mfer is not gone.....he is still there. I have never understood that. He sits in the press box at every game...goes to SEC BB tournament and never has to pay for anything. Only MSU can fire someone and not be able to get rid of their sorry ***.
 

DirtyLopez

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he sucked, but I had no idea to what extent. It was even worse than I thought and I thought it was bad enough that I went on strike until he and croom were gone. I couldn't believe the changes when I came back. And to think that he tried to stop the junction.
 

dawgstudent

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that makes you truly realize how clueless he was. Sometimes you just strike out on coaching hires. I want to say the Student Association had to go around Templeton and go to Charles Lee to get it done.
 

mjh94

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don't hear that often. when macolm portera left, our leadership was at a all-time low until Fogelsong had the balls to get rid of LT

dawgstudent said:
... and go to Charles Lee to get it done.
 

Coach34

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DirtyLopez said:
he sucked, but I had no idea to what extent. It was even worse than I thought and I thought it was bad enough that I went on strike until he and croom were gone. I couldn't believe the changes when I came back. And to think that he tried to stop the junction.


just add another to the list of incompetence
 

BiloxiDawg

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Larry Templeton fought us for about the first 3 months, until Dr. Lee said this WILL happen.Dr. Lee thought itwas a great idea, but then again he was a VERY student friendly President. LT was never to be seen again at another meeting, he then had Mike Richey represent the Athletic Dept.

Just an FYI, LT fought us so hard b/c he wanted the Athletic Academic Center built on the site where the Junction is located. He also said it was unsafe to have that many people holding up traffic flow on the South side of the stadium...

We who served on SA at that time had no idea the Junction would take off like it has, I really thoughtit would primarily be student tailgating because of the history of how our alumni used to tailgate... very spread out and pretty lame - most being pretty low key. Now we all see that our fans/ alumni just needed a place to congregate!
 

bulldogs726

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I think the junction was a huge turning point for gameday. I know a lot of non state people that come to state now to tailgate. They are also now buying ticketas to the game as well.
 

FlabLoser

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http://www.accessnorthga.com/detail.php?n=167805
Templeton was so optimistic about Croom's decision that he said he didn't have a back-up plan.
(snip)
``Sylvester Croom met all the criteria we laid forth for the selection
of a new head football coach at Mississippi State,'' Templeton said. ``We went after the best football coach and we're confident we found that individual in Sylvester Croom.''

(snip)

<span style="font-weight: bold;">Croom</span>, who played offensive line at Alabama in the early '70s, <span style="font-weight: bold;">still has
family in his native Tuscaloosa</span> and a daughter and granddaughter living
in Mobile, Ala.

``<span style="font-weight: bold;">That might be the best selling point we have,'' Templeton said</span>.

We also have to give Doc some credit for Croom:
http://sports.espn.go.com...forde_pat&id=2643281
"This is as serious as a heart attack: I'm into winning. I never thought
I learned a lot from losing. But I'm also into character."

http://sportsillustrated....29/inside.cfb/index.html
"He [Croom] was on the list, but I'm not going to lie to you, the thing
at Alabama put him in the forefront a little more," Mississippi State AD
Larry Templeton said.
 

FlabLoser

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BiloxiDawg said:
Larry Templeton fought us for about the first 3 months, until Dr. Lee said this WILL happen.Dr. Lee thought itwas a great idea, but then again he was a VERY student friendly President. LT was never to be seen again at another meeting, he then had Mike Richey represent the Athletic Dept.

Just an FYI, LT fought us so hard b/c he wanted the Athletic Academic Center built on the site where the Junction is located. He also said it was unsafe to have that many people holding up traffic flow on the South side of the stadium...

We who served on SA at that time had no idea the Junction would take off like it has, I really thoughtit would primarily be student tailgating because of the history of how our alumni used to tailgate... very spread out and pretty lame - most being pretty low key. Now we all see that our fans/ alumni just needed a place to congregate!
Let us never forget the mistakes we've made.
 

Xenomorph

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Now we all see that our fans/ alumni just needed a place to congregate!

...The AD adds an additional 15K seats in the north endzone with some sweet premium seating and a exterior facade that ACTUALLY looks like a first-class football stadium. Then the University closes Barr Ave permanently from Garner Circle to the Hood/Collegeview 4-way. Do a Junction-style make over in the area north of the new addition and give another huge green space for folks to congregate. Call it the North Lawn, The Junction Up North.. whatever.

And before anybody complains about the closing of roads...

Nobody thought traffic would ever adjust the the horror of closing the south end of the drill field... then nobody could imagine not being able to drive in front of the YMCA.. Then there was no way they'd ever close the street in front of the M-Club...

With the construction of the new parking garage and the 4 lane straight shot out to old 82, closing Barr is definitely doable. And just look at the benefits if they'd do it.

http://maps.pomocnik.com/satellite-maps/?map=1758
 

patdog

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AROB44 said:
Actually, the mfer is not gone.....he is still there. I have never understood that. He sits in the press box at every game...goes to SEC BB tournament and never has to pay for anything. Only MSU can fire someone and not be able to get rid of their sorry ***.
There's no need for the bad PR and political fallout fromfiring Templeton and cutting all ties. We'd have madesome enemies if we'd gone that route. Much better to just force him to resign and pretend he just retired.
 

Nugdawg

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the construction of the Barnes and Noble about the exact same time has made this area the focal point. I personally, was affected in a negative way by it all as I had a parking pass and tailgated on the old railroad area where the Junction sits now. But, I understand the overall importance...my biggest gripe now is the parking crap that happened this year. One rainy season and we get rid of 20 years of grass parking lots. And I understand it was the University as a whole, not the Ath Dept etc etc etc.....It just sux for me.
 

Todd4State

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was did he do the things he did just to do them as cheaply as possible vs being incompetent? Most of his decisions revolved around "keeping MSU in the black", whether that be a coaching hire or a decision such as the luxury boxes at Dudy-Noble.

Staying in the black is a good thing, but at the same time to make money you have to spend money. People are not going to pay to watch an inferior product. Maybe LT realized that, but just put out a product that enough people would pay for.

But, what upset me the most about LT was the fact that there were a lot of times where he would rather see our teams not do something good so that he wouldn't have to deal with something, be it an NIT game, a Regional, or a bowl game. I remember him bitching about how much it cost MSU to send the basketball team to New York to play in the NIT semi-finals one time.

That, and I think his poor mentality came from being around MSU in the 60's and 70's, which was time where we either sucked at everything except for baseball for a few years, or when we did have success in football for doing the exact same thing that the Bear and Vaught were doing, were severely punished by the NCAA. It just seemed like he never got out of that mindset, whereas a lot of our fans started seeing that we COULD compete because of guys like Polk, Jackie, and Richard Williams and yes, Stansbury- eg. "Hey maybe we CAN win a National Championship in baseball. We CAN go to bowls every year and put a respectable football team on the field, and etc".

LT's fatal flaw was that he failed to have vision and pay for quality, and always took the "safe" route whether that be Polk II vs Manieri- which that was my turning point for wanting the guy fired, both Polk and LT , or Croom vs Jimbo Fischer because Jimbo had an agent, or be it something like the Junction.
 

JacksonDevilDog

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Templeton was the old MSU mentality and there are still a lot of MSU fans with the same "woe is MSU" mentality. Those bastards will soon die off because things have changed at MSU. The athletic program is now being run by competent, young, energetic people with creative ideas.
 

Todd4State

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I had heard that the reason that LT didn't want the Junction was because he wanted the atheltic dept. to get all of the proceeds from it.

I'm guessing charging people to set up tailgates on a particular section is what I'm thinking that he wanted to do in reference to the term "proceeds". Maybe he was scared or didn't want to share money with the SA?
 

jamdawg96

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give it a rest? We've moved on. What the hell do any of LT's antics matter anymore? Whining and bitching... Jesus, let it go.<div>
</div><div>The season needs to get here now.</div>
 

BiloxiDawg

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LT wanted to build the Athletic Academic Center (now named for Templeton)on the present site of the Junction... This was his idea as soon as he caught wind of the university removing malfunction junction.I was serving asthe SA Director of Athletic Affairs at that time, and myself and Adam Telle (SA President) went to Dr. Lee and Tim Lacy (campus landscape architect) to pitch our idea, LT blew a gasket. Once he started to see that the Junction was going to become a reality, he wanted the Bulldog Club to get involved to generate some revenue. However, we pushed for free, open tailgating for Students to get them more involved in game day. We never expected alumni and friends to come out like they have, knowing most of the older MSU fans were set in their ways and have been tailgating in the same spots for years. How it has all turned out blows us away, I think it is great to see students and alumni tailgating together.

I will tell you this, when we started this project we created a nightmarefor Chris Nettles and the Facilities Dept. His gamedaymanagement teamreally has their work cut out for them... I laugh every gameday whenhe sees me, or any of my old committee members,b/c he takes out that cigar and always says "Thanks alot!". I love it.
 

thatsbaseball

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but many of the corrupt/inept/politial/selfish moves by LTare still surfacing. It`s too damn early to stick our heads in the sand and play like they didn`t happen. Ever heard of learning from your mistakes ? Only a fool would not want to know what happened and be vigilant thatit never happens again.Sincerely , "The sixteen year old girl in me"
 

ScoobaDawg

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Xenomorph said:
Now we all see that our fans/ alumni just needed a place to congregate!

...The AD adds an additional 15K seats in the north endzone with some sweet premium seating and a exterior facade that ACTUALLY looks like a first-class football stadium. <span style="font-weight: bold;"> Then the University closes Barr Ave permanently from Garner Circle to the Hood/Collegeview 4-way.</span> Do a Junction-style make over in the area north of the new addition and give another huge green space for folks to congregate. Call it the North Lawn, The Junction Up North.. whatever.

And before anybody complains about the closing of roads...

Nobody thought traffic would ever adjust the the horror of closing the south end of the drill field... then nobody could imagine not being able to drive in front of the YMCA.. Then there was no way they'd ever close the street in front of the M-Club...

With the construction of the new parking garage and the 4 lane straight shot out to old 82, closing Barr is definitely doable. And just look at the benefits if they'd do it.

http://maps.pomocnik.com/satellite-maps/?map=1758
I like that idea alot...I have looked at that street and calculated distance with an expansion and whatnot in my head trying to figure out how it would work...I always thought they could jog the road 10' or so and make the room.
But your idea truly is better...that connection at the intersection is not needed. Coliseum being 4 laned connection from George Perry to CollegeView is more than adequate. Would be nice if they made the stretch of George Perry St that connects Barr and Colisuem a little wider though. There is room to do this with Suttle being torn down and the parking garage being scheduled to be built. Would be a good idea to add turn lanes and make that intersection larger...and the first 1/4 of it is done already.

As far as a Junction North..even with the closing of the road, a full expansion will take a good bit of that area and not leave a ton of room such as the junction has but it would be a good place to put in a much smaller version of the junction. A lot of people already tailgate on the opposite sides of this intersection of Barr/Collegeview at the College of Architecture and at McArthur
 

Todd4State

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for putting the Junction there so I don't have to look at a building with that son of a *****'s name on it every time I go to a football game.

Just seeing his name would take away from any wins and make any losses hurt that much more.
 

jamdawg96

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What's done is done. This thread criticizes an era where we constantly blamed our past... by constantly bringing up the past. Yeah, awesome. I don't give a **** what "moves" are still resurfacing. It's over. It's clear that the current administration is aware of past mistakes. But dwelling on something you can't change is pointless, negative, and immature. The future is in good hands. That's all that matters. Put that on a f*cking t-shirt. <div>
</div><div>Again, the season just needs to begin so we can stop digging for topics.</div>
 

BiloxiDawg

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Times have never looked so good at State! I think it is important to look back on LT's regime and realize how brainwashed we were as fans,he NEVER thought outside the box. We were told we are doing things as best we can, and we are staying in the black. The Athletic Dept. had a closed door policy, unless you were one of the cigarboys... We never got weekly updates, hell LT didn't even have an email address where you could voice your concerns.
 

thatsbaseball

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but I`m glad to know it now. This stuff will be surfacing for years and there could be some egg on the faces of some ofLT`s buddies before it`s all said and done. At any rate IMOit`s way too early to close the book on LT. Inquiring minds want to know.