How do the republicans twho wrap themselves in the Constitution defend Rep. Nunes?

[Original Mountaineer1]

I am curious how one can overlook the blatant disregard of our governmental process in this case? We have three branches of government that are supposed to be checks and balances on each other. Here we have the chair of a powerful House committee sharing some sort of information on an ongoing investigation with the President whose administration is under investigation. He won't share what he knows or what he shared with Trump with the rest of the House committee. By some accounts is blocking the committee from doing their job.....Maybe partisan whining, but I am not sure there.

At a minimum, Nunes has shown complete disregard for our governmental system; a member of the Trump transition team running to his former boss with intel. (the blatant conflict of interest deemed somehow to be acceptable) At worst he has compromised an investigation. Yet we here almost no criticism from the right except for the usual moderate voices such as Sen. McCain. I am not sure if the right has declared the administration's potential Russian ties as a non-event and literally don't care, or if the ends justify the means in this case and anything to protect Trump is okay. But the hypocrisy of some who wave the "Constitution flag" to remain silent when one of the Constitution's foundational tenets is trampled, is very telling.

 

[bamaEER]

I am curious how one can overlook the blatant disregard of our governmental process in this case? We have three branches of government that are supposed to be checks and balanced on each other. Here we have the chair of a powerful House committee sharing some sort of information on an ongoing investigation with the President whose administration is under investigation. He won't share what he knows or what he shared with the rest of the House committee. By some accounts is blocking the committee from doing their job.....Maybe partisan whining, but I am not sure there.

At a minimum, Nunes has shown complete disregard for our governmental system; a member of the Trump transition team running to his former boss with intel. (the blatant conflict of interest deemed somehow to be acceptable) At worst he has compromised an investigation. Yet we here almost no criticism from the right except for the usual moderates voices such as Sen. McCain. I am not sure if the right has declared the administration's potential Russian ties as a non-event and literally don't care, or if the ends justify the means in this case and anything to protect Trump is okay. But the hypocrisy of some who wave the "Constitution flag" to remain silent when one of the Constitution's foundational tenets is trampled, is very telling.

This will all catch up to them.

 

[Boomboom521]

It's the Republican = American and Democrat = anti-American rhetoric. It's almost to the point where they can get away with anything....but screwing with people's money of course.

 

[WVUBRU]

Answer: their usual hypocrisy allows them.

 

[Keyser76]

Or their so called family values.

 

[DvlDog4WVU]

Here we have the chair of a powerful House committee sharing some sort of information on an ongoing investigation with the President whose administration is under investigation. He won't share what he knows or what he shared with Trump with the rest of the House committee.

He was just talking about grandkids, yoga lessons, and Chelsea's wedding details. Much ado about nothing.

 

[WVUCOOPER]

I am curious how one can overlook the blatant disregard of our governmental process in this case? We have three branches of government that are supposed to be checks and balances on each other. Here we have the chair of a powerful House committee sharing some sort of information on an ongoing investigation with the President whose administration is under investigation. He won't share what he knows or what he shared with Trump with the rest of the House committee. By some accounts is blocking the committee from doing their job.....Maybe partisan whining, but I am not sure there.

At a minimum, Nunes has shown complete disregard for our governmental system; a member of the Trump transition team running to his former boss with intel. (the blatant conflict of interest deemed somehow to be acceptable) At worst he has compromised an investigation. Yet we here almost no criticism from the right except for the usual moderate voices such as Sen. McCain. I am not sure if the right has declared the administration's potential Russian ties as a non-event and literally don't care, or if the ends justify the means in this case and anything to protect Trump is okay. But the hypocrisy of some who wave the "Constitution flag" to remain silent when one of the Constitution's foundational tenets is trampled, is very telling.

Money and power. Same as it has been, same as it will be when the other side takes over.

 

[TarHeelEer]

I am curious how one can overlook the blatant disregard of our governmental process in this case?

When you have blatant enemies within the government that are not working to solve our issues together, within the executive, and you have holdovers from the prior administration that are attempting to submarine you, governmental process is already out the window. What was your point?

 

[DvlDog4WVU]

I am curious how one can overlook the blatant disregard of our governmental process in this case? We have three branches of government that are supposed to be checks and balances on each other. Here we have the chair of a powerful House committee sharing some sort of information on an ongoing investigation with the President whose administration is under investigation. He won't share what he knows or what he shared with Trump with the rest of the House committee. By some accounts is blocking the committee from doing their job.....Maybe partisan whining, but I am not sure there.

At a minimum, Nunes has shown complete disregard for our governmental system; a member of the Trump transition team running to his former boss with intel. (the blatant conflict of interest deemed somehow to be acceptable) At worst he has compromised an investigation. Yet we here almost no criticism from the right except for the usual moderate voices such as Sen. McCain. I am not sure if the right has declared the administration's potential Russian ties as a non-event and literally don't care, or if the ends justify the means in this case and anything to protect Trump is okay. But the hypocrisy of some who wave the "Constitution flag" to remain silent when one of the Constitution's foundational tenets is trampled, is very telling.

Also, how many times must you be corrected about this. I know you have specifically been corrected on this at least twice before.

 

[bamaEER]

Money and power. Same as it has been, same as it will be when the other side takes over.

This is a bit more excessive and overt than ever before.

 

[Mntneer]

This is a bit more excessive and overt than ever before.

Uhhhh.....

 

[WVUCOOPER]

When you have blatant enemies within the government that are not working to solve our issues together, within the executive, and you have holdovers from the prior administration that are attempting to submarine you, governmental process is already out the window. What was your point?

lol

 

[WVUCOOPER]

This is a bit more excessive and overt than ever before.

I don't think so. Nunes may, may be a different story - but as a whole the swamp is still the swamp. It's just tinted orange these days.

 

[Original Mountaineer1]

lol

His answer made me laugh. Hard to tell who the enemies really are in this WH!!

 

[Original Mountaineer1]

When you have blatant enemies within the government that are not working to solve our issues together, within the executive, and you have holdovers from the prior administration that are attempting to submarine you, governmental process is already out the window. What was your point?

Are those "enemies" the Russians that Trump and his team associate with?

 

[Mntneer]

I don't think so. Nunes may, may be a different story - but as a whole the swamp is still the swamp. It's just tinted orange these days.

And it's the best swamp.... other swamps..... stooopid.

 

[Original Mountaineer1]

He was just talking about grandkids, yoga lessons, and Chelsea's wedding details. Much ado about nothing.

And one of the reasons she wasn't elected. It was wrong then and it is wrong now. Nobody sat on that story. If Obama had any balz he would have removed Lynch on the spot.

 

[DvlDog4WVU]

And one of the reasons she wasn't elected. It was wrong then and it is wrong now. Nobody sat on that story. If Obama had any balz he would have removed Lynch on the spot.

He didn't, precedent was set. Personally, if they can prove Nunes was passing info related to the investigation, then he should step down. If Nunes had information that was legit that Trump's team was in fact being collected on passively or otherwise and was germane to the leaks, I'm fine with him telling Trump. If he was passing on information directly related to the investigation, I'm not ok with it.

 

[Original Mountaineer1]

He didn't, precedent was set. Personally, if they can prove Nunes was passing info related to the investigation, then he should step down. If Nunes had information that was legit that Trump's team was in fact being collected on passively or otherwise and was germane to the leaks, I'm fine with him telling Trump. If he was passing on information directly related to the investigation, I'm not ok with it.

What if Loretta Lynch was simply telling Slick Willy that there was no evidence against Hillary to bring charges (I am sure she wasn't)........IT WOULDN'T and SHOULDN'T MATTER. The appearance of a conflict of interest should determine whether or not one recuses themselves. Just the fact that Nunes was on the Trump transition team's executive committee is enough for recusal in most cases. But then Nunes briefs the President. We no longer have an appearance of a conflict. We have a legit conflict. This can't be tolerated in our system of government.

 

[Keyser76]

When you have blatant enemies within the government that are not working to solve our issues together, within the executive, and you have holdovers from the prior administration that are attempting to submarine you, governmental process is already out the window. What was your point?

Having a different idea as to what our problems are and how to solve them does not make you an "enemy" And please tell me when an administration has not had holdovers? Trump submarines himself and if you guys just wanna sweep the Russian investigation of Trump under the rug I would say that those subverting the governmental process are the GOP. But I see you are a Trumpie, he is a great leader and all his problems are somebody elses fault, lmfao. Keep putting lipstick on your pig and whining that he is infallible.

 

[DvlDog4WVU]

What if Loretta Lynch was simply telling Slick Willy that there was no evidence against Hillary to bring charges (I am sure she wasn't)........IT WOULDN'T and SHOULDN'T MATTER. The appearance of a conflict of interest should determine whether or not one recuses themselves. Just the fact that Nunes was on the Trump transition team's executive committee is enough for recusal in most cases. But then Nunes briefs the President. We no longer have an appearance of a conflict. We have a legit conflict. This can't be tolerated in our system of government.

Depends on what he discussed. They can't force him to recuse himself.

 

[WVPATX]

I am curious how one can overlook the blatant disregard of our governmental process in this case? We have three branches of government that are supposed to be checks and balances on each other. Here we have the chair of a powerful House committee sharing some sort of information on an ongoing investigation with the President whose administration is under investigation. He won't share what he knows or what he shared with Trump with the rest of the House committee. By some accounts is blocking the committee from doing their job.....Maybe partisan whining, but I am not sure there.

At a minimum, Nunes has shown complete disregard for our governmental system; a member of the Trump transition team running to his former boss with intel. (the blatant conflict of interest deemed somehow to be acceptable) At worst he has compromised an investigation. Yet we here almost no criticism from the right except for the usual moderate voices such as Sen. McCain. I am not sure if the right has declared the administration's potential Russian ties as a non-event and literally don't care, or if the ends justify the means in this case and anything to protect Trump is okay. But the hypocrisy of some who wave the "Constitution flag" to remain silent when one of the Constitution's foundational tenets is trampled, is very telling.

You are wrong on the facts. Nunes stated that the leaked intel to him had ZERO to do with Russia. Therefore, NO CONFLICT OF INTEREST. It had to do with the government activities unmasking American citizens in violation of Federal law. The President has every right to see that info.

I believe Nunes should have told Schiff what he learned, he didn't until after meeting with Trump and that was a mistake. But no conflict of interest.

You seem to care more about the process that Nunes used than the information leaked to him. American's being spied upon? Their names illegally unmasked. This is serious stuff, if what Nunes says is true.

 

[TarHeelEer]

Having a different idea as to what our problems are and how to solve them does not make you an "enemy" And please tell me when an administration has not had holdovers? Trump submarines himself and if you guys just wanna sweep the Russian investigation of Trump under the rug I would say that those subverting the governmental process are the GOP. But I see you are a Trumpie, he is a great leader and all his problems are somebody elses fault, lmfao. Keep putting lipstick on your pig and whining that he is infallible.

Russians bought condos of his. Big deal. That's what passes for evidence/news. Comey didn't bring anything new to the table with his briefing. There isn't anything to sweep.

First, different ideas is not leaking classified information to the press as a government employee. Second, their ideas do not matter now. They are under different management, and should act accordingly, or expect to be shown the door.

 

[WVPATX]

This is a bit more excessive and overt than ever before.

What? Again, the leaked intel had zero to do with Russia. ZERO. Trump, as President, has every right to know. I agree that Nunes should have briefed Schiff before meeting the President out of courtesy. But there was no conflict of Interest.

If the Nunes intel shows a Russian connection, then we can talk.

 

[DvlDog4WVU]

Having a different idea as to what our problems are and how to solve them does not make you an "enemy" And please tell me when an administration has not had holdovers? Trump submarines himself and if you guys just wanna sweep the Russian investigation of Trump under the rug I would say that those subverting the governmental process are the GOP. But I see you are a Trumpie, he is a great leader and all his problems are somebody elses fault, lmfao. Keep putting lipstick on your pig and whining that he is infallible.

Honestly, real quick, name 1 instance of all the Russian stuff where there is even the semblance of collusion with election tampering. You all haven't even reached the same state, let along zip code.

Trump had Russian connections. Shocking fact, truly shocking that an international businessman had dealings with the Russians. Are there instances likely of him acting as a money launderer, or some shady business dealings? Probably, hell, I'll concede that it's likely if not a given. That isn't what the investigation is focused on. That's not why we're investigating him. We're investigating Russian collusion to tamper with the election process. There is no evidence thus far to support that narrative. The GOP is not going to give an independent source the opportunity to fish to find something incriminating. Which is exactly why it's being pushed that direction by the left. They want use the resources of the USG to go on fishing expedition to find something, anything, that will run Trump out. That isn't right. They are trying to use the USG in order to do opposition research. If they didn't find it during the election runup, they likely aren't going to do it now. Tax returns, ok. He isn't required to provide that information. Should he? Yes. But if you know you are going to be scrutinized and incriminated, he has the right to not do so. Think of it like taking the 5th. There was nothing in his tax returns that would should collusion, so why provide them to people trying to undo you? It makes no sense.

And to head off the next ill informed attempt to draw a comparison to Benghazi and Hillary. The server details came out of that investigation as part of what they were directly investigating. IT came because she was commingling her IT resources to discuss what should have been secure communications. They found something relating directly to the investigation and tugged on that string. She and her team was required by law to turn over state owned emails. We own every email that is sent by a Govt employee. They can be redacted for public consumption due to National Security, but those are the people's emails. Her fault.

 

[dave]

I am curious how one can overlook the blatant disregard of our governmental process in this case? We have three branches of government that are supposed to be checks and balances on each other. Here we have the chair of a powerful House committee sharing some sort of information on an ongoing investigation with the President whose administration is under investigation. He won't share what he knows or what he shared with Trump with the rest of the House committee. By some accounts is blocking the committee from doing their job.....Maybe partisan whining, but I am not sure there.

At a minimum, Nunes has shown complete disregard for our governmental system; a member of the Trump transition team running to his former boss with intel. (the blatant conflict of interest deemed somehow to be acceptable) At worst he has compromised an investigation. Yet we here almost no criticism from the right except for the usual moderate voices such as Sen. McCain. I am not sure if the right has declared the administration's potential Russian ties as a non-event and literally don't care, or if the ends justify the means in this case and anything to protect Trump is okay. But the hypocrisy of some who wave the "Constitution flag" to remain silent when one of the Constitution's foundational tenets is trampled, is very telling.

He did nothing wrong. It is that simple

 

[dave]

What if Loretta Lynch was simply telling Slick Willy that there was no evidence against Hillary to bring charges (I am sure she wasn't)........IT WOULDN'T and SHOULDN'T MATTER. The appearance of a conflict of interest should determine whether or not one recuses themselves. Just the fact that Nunes was on the Trump transition team's executive committee is enough for recusal in most cases. But then Nunes briefs the President. We no longer have an appearance of a conflict. We have a legit conflict. This can't be tolerated in our system of government.

Nunes didnt meet Trump secretely on a tarmac. They met in the most prestigious office in the country.

 

[Original Mountaineer1]

Depends on what he discussed. They can't force him to recuse himself.

Correct. But anybody with a sense of decorum would recuse themselves at this point.

 

[Original Mountaineer1]

Nunes didnt meet Trump secretely on a tarmac. They met in the most prestigious office in the country.

The point of an improper meeting is completely lost on you. Who the F cares if they met in the WH Oval Office or a DC strip club? They should not have met to discuss the intelligence known by Nunes.

 

[WVPATX]

Correct. But anybody with a sense of decorum would recuse themselves at this point.

Recuse for what? His briefing of Trump had NOTHING to do with RUSSIA. Trump is President and has a right to know if intel agencies are following the law as it relates to dissemination and unmasking of Americans.

Please explain why Nunes should recuse himself for that?

 

[Original Mountaineer1]

He did nothing wrong. It is that simple

Then neither did Lynch using your warped logic

 

[Original Mountaineer1]

Recuse for what? His briefing of Trump had NOTHING to do with RUSSIA. Trump is President and has a right to know if intel agencies are following the law as it relates to dissemination and unmasking of Americans.

Please explain why Nunes should recuse himself for that?

How do you know as he has refused to fully share the contents of the discussion with his own committee members.

 

[countryroads89_rivals]

Nunes didnt meet Trump secretely on a tarmac. They met in the most prestigious office in the country.

They met after dark, in a secret room next to the WH (not in the WH) and it was only leaked because he had to "sign in" that he was on the grounds. Why did he "sort of" apologize a couple of days later? Why is he not sharing the information with the rest of the committee that he serves on?

Those are rhetorical questions (you can google rhetorical).

 

[WVPATX]

How do you know as he has refused to fully share the contents of the discussion with his own committee members.

Back at you. How do you know and since you don't, how can you possibly call for recusal? Isn't some proof required?

 

[DvlDog4WVU]

How do you know as he has refused to fully share the contents of the discussion with his own committee members.

If he does, he'll be disclosing information they aren't cleared for yet because they haven't requested it.

Give it 2 more weeks.

 

[DvlDog4WVU]

Back at you. How do you know and since you don't, how can you possibly call for recusal? Isn't some proof required?

Considering pissy pants was one of the loudest defenders of Lynch, he should be quiet.

 

[WVPATX]

They met after dark, in a secret room next to the WH (not in the WH) and it was only leaked because he had to "sign in" that he was on the grounds. Why did he "sort of" apologize a couple of days later? Why is he not sharing the information with the rest of the committee that he serves on?

Those are rhetorical questions (you can google rhetorical).

What? He held a press conference after his meeting with Trump. Leaked? What? He stated he met with the President about the matter and that it did NOT INVOLVE RUSSIA. He further said he was given whistle blower information about unmasking of Americans caught up in surveillance.

Do you know what a SCIF is? Do you know why Nunes went to the Old Eisenhower Executive Office Building? Do you know what the SCIF contains at the Old Executive Office Building? It is likely the whistle blower pointed out some classified information only available at that site.

 

[WVPATX]

If he does, he'll be disclosing information they aren't cleared for yet because they haven't requested it.

Give it 2 more weeks.

There is a group called the Gang of Eight. They can be briefed on what Nunes saw and read. Schiff is on the Gang of Eight and should have been briefed earlier than he was. The other members of the intel committees are not legally able to see the SCIF information that Nunes read at the Old Executive Office Building.

As DvlDog pointed out, this intel will come out, although some of the information will be redacted to likely protect sources and methods.

 

[countryroads89_rivals]

Recuse for what? His briefing of Trump had NOTHING to do with RUSSIA. Trump is President and has a right to know if intel agencies are following the law as it relates to dissemination and unmasking of Americans.

Please explain why Nunes should recuse himself for that?

Trump has no right to know details about an ongoing investigation that involves him. It's really a moot point anyway, the Senate is beginning their own investigation by a bi-partisan panel.

 

[Airport]

He was just talking about grandkids, yoga lessons, and Chelsea's wedding details. Much ado about nothing.

don't forget golf, like her fat *** could swing a golf club.