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How do you grade the flood hc era ?

Grade the flood era of Rutgers football

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Plum Street

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Three bowls in four years . The best bowl ever in the champs bowl . The first big ten win .
Some bad blowout losses . A wasted 2012 season . Talent in the program went downhill .

He gets am F in my book .
 
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KnightFan

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Took so much of the joy out of joining the Big Ten.

Bad coach, awful recruiter

So many games where I wanted my 3 hours back at the end

Missed multiple games this year and didn't even care

Disgusted with how many times we ended up in the papers during his regime.

Set the program back 5 or more years
 
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50 yd line RR

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That is a good question. Looking back HCKF should have been a one year interim head coach.Just like they did at Ohio State.
Any other school in the country would have done it that way. I think he put forth the best effort he could,but was in over is head.
That's what bothers me with all the negative Kyle Flood threads on this board. I don't think a lot of people get it.
I put a lot of the shortcomings we experienced on the administration and their lack of vision and once again being penny wise and dollar foolish.
Hopefully they get it right this time.
 
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JQRU91

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Plum Street said:
Three bowls in four years . The best bowl ever in the champs bowl . The first big ten win .
Some bad blowout losses . A wasted 2012 season . Talent in the program went downhill .

He gets am F in my book .
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Three bowls in four years results in an F? That's some interesting reasoning. We're not Alabama. I'd give him a C/C-
 
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RUMBA-JK

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an Arithmetic teacher doing battle with integral calculus professors - gets a D - but it is a gift.
 
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JQRU91

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Bleed_Scarlet said:
Where did he get the program and where did he leave it?

That's why I would say an F
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Ok, I can understand that. Just thought it was strange for the OP to make the argument for an F starting with three bowls in four years.
 
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MikeR0102

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Oct 3, 2003
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D for disappointing.

Had a nice start in 2012, but way too many blowout losses including 3 on Homecoming. Way too many recruiting decommitments and way too many 1 step forward, 2 steps back type moments.
 
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cohwx

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Feb 4, 2004
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Yeah, he won a conference championship...along with half the conference that year.

Really, have to ask - did he do anything to improve the program from when he took over? People claim he inherited a team with major holes, well he filled a few but created a bunch more. Don't see how you could give him anything more than a C or C-, but the true evaluation will have to wait until we see how his hidden gem filled under the radar recruiting classes turn out.
 
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RUChris

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Every time I see that Big East Championship sign near the north end zone I sigh. That team basically pretty much did everything they could to prevent themselves from winning it outright.

Originally I was going to give Flood a C, but reading through this I'm inclined to give him a D. With the exception of last year, his teams never finished strong. Game 1 Rutgers always seemed capable of beating down Game 12 Rutgers, when you'd hope it'd be the other way around. I do think next year could've gotten pretty ugly without a change.
 
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RU-Nick

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Jul 23, 2001
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Blowout losses and absolutely no discipline. Also severely degraded our in-state Recruiting momentum from 2012. He rode Schiano recruited players for as long as he could and then the wheels came off this year.

Big fat F
 
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Extra Point_rivals157299

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I give Coach Flood a C+. He got the conference title with 9-3 in 2012, he shocked everyone by winning 8 games in the B!G in 2014. He had the brains to hire Fridge and get Nova coached up. Had Rutgers not sabotaged him this year by making Julie a lame duck and by bringing the police the evening before the season started and by arresting Carroo he would have won more games. Why a C+ and not a B is because of the off field problems and his contacting the professor and the team's poor win record this year, plus losing the best recruits that had committed.
 
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Queztastic

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2 people voted A?

I would only give an A up to October 10, 2013 at the end of the 3rd quarter. At that point in time, RU had the #3 recruiting class in the B1G (the best in RU history), had a record of 4-1 (with the only loss being in OT to Fresno State and future NFL QB David Carr), and was only down 7 points to #8 Louisville (in a game with 4 Nova interceptions and 8 sacks). After that...

... lost to Louisville, followed by losses to Houston, Cincy, UCF, UConn ...

and then the decommits:
11/10/13: 4* WR Adonis Jennings [Signed with Pitt, but transferred to the Owls]
11/11/13: 4* S Kiy Hester [Signed with Miami] (at least he came back)
11/11/13: 3* CB Lamont Simmons [Signed with USC, but transferred to G-Tech]
11/17/13: 4* QB Tyler Wiegers [Signed with Iowa]
12/15/13: 4* RB Jonathan Hilliman [Signed with Boston College] (860 yards and 13 TDs in 2014 - hurt in 2015)
12/18/13: 3* TE Jordan Fuchs [Signed with Indiana]
1/8/14: 4* LB Skai Moore [Signed with South Carolina] (already leaving school this season to enter NFL draft)
1/19/14: 3* DB Waynedriko Smith [Signed with Indiana]
1/24/14: 3* DT Pete Mokwuah [Signed with Notre Dame]
1/26/14: 4* WR Saeed Blacknall [Signed with Penn State]
1/30/14: 3* MD OT Justin Herron [Signed with Wake Forest] (Starting Left Tackle as RS Freshman)
2/9/14: 4* RB Saquan Barkley [Signed with Penn State] (1000+ yards and 7 TDs this year while being injured)

Not that we need the RB's, but it would have been nice to have some WR depth and an NFL caliber LB to pair with Longa.

Anyway, after that its an F, so I'll average out and make it a C.
 
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Bill 86

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Jul 25, 2001
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In terms of where he left us. He has left this team with decent 4 QBS with perhaps a 5th one as the best one still committed. A loaded defensive line with some good ones upcoming. A bunch of good up and coming olineman. At LB some good commitied players and a few on board now with good potential. A secondary that, although thin, has some good young players. He started with a solid bunch which he had for one year, then had very little there after. At WR, not a lot of game breakers, but some good ones committed. At TE...average talent, but a good one that redshirted. Solid running back group.
 
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czxqa

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Oct 31, 2008
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Recruiting- F
Game Day Coaching- F
Player Development- F
Compliance/Discipline- F

Extra Credit:
Fulmer Cup win

Overall grade F.
 
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Scarlet_Scourge

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May 25, 2012
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ruready4somefootball said:
4 way tie. Every time he says it, I cringe.
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Not to mention he kept wearing the ring like it was a Superbowl ring... such a poser.

Lets take an honest look at each year:

2012: Took over a loaded Rutgers team and started with a bang... then crashed and burn hard, ending with a embarrassing bowl lost to a terrible VT which has zero offense. He did win a Big East championship but so did THREE other schools that same year. The only Big East in football Rutgers ever won, but not the only conference championship in school history like he pretended it was. It was our 5th conference title in football and also Rutgers was mostly independent for well over 100 years, so it wasn't like we had too many chances to win conference titles. Still more than UND :)

2013: Got a killer class committed and then broke a record for the most de-commits in history (at least it seems that way). Struggled big time to even get to 5 wins, 3–5 in conference in a weak AAC, lots of blow out loses, finally got the 6th win against one of the worst USF team of all times. Then lost to a weak UND team a bowl game.

2014: 3-5 in conference in the Big Ten. Did get wins over a down Michigan team, needed a miracle comeback to beat Maryland and beat Indiana, because Indiana. Lost to everyone else. Flood finally won his 1st and only bowl game against UNC.

2015: Finally with his own players... 1–7 in conference and 4-7 overall. Tons of off the field issues, including his own, ends up getting suspended for 3 games. Blows huge lead in the final game to end the Flood error. Gets fired to end the season.

Nightmare is finally over..
 
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jmc11201

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I gave him a 'C', but was closer to voting 'D' than 'B', so more equivalent to a 'C-'.

He clearly left the program worse off than when he found it, which is my biggest criteria. 2012 and 2014 were both fairly good and enjoyable years (I won't nit pick one game here or there), but 2013 and 2015 were total disasters with bad on the field performance and bad off the field performance.
 
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Virginiarufan

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Jul 26, 2001
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He gets a double minus F in my book. He should have been fired long before Schiano ever left and many on here know how poor his O-lines were. Then he proceeds to run the program into the ground despite the best recruiting class we ever had. Players didn't advance under him, they regressed. The only semi-fun year was when Ralph Fridgeon was here. Unfortunately, Flood is so stubborn he failed to learn anything from him. Flood will go down as the second worst coach we ever had right next to Terry Schea. Congrats Coach, I hope you read this.
Champs Bowl my ***. That was one of the worst Bowl performances I ever saw and it was all on Flood. To top it all off the only players he was able to recruit were those who had no or few legit offers. And if that changed, they usually de-committed from us. Like someone said, it was a glorious day for Rutgers University, the day he got fired!
 
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scarletrat

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I completely agree with virginiarufan above--couldn't have put it any better. He should be selling womens shoes--an abject failure as any type of football coach. He can take his 1-0 and know what to do with it...
 
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