How much longer is USC willing to put up with Paris?

Kappa Koch1

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If LP is fired now who runs the Basketball team? I'm sure there's an assistant on the team, but is that any better than LP finishing the season and paying less of a buyout.
 
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I don't claim to be very knowledgeable about basketball, but our team reminds me of a pick up game you see at the YMCA. The offensive scheme seems to be nonexistent, no movement away from the ball or passing to create better opportunities for higher percentage shots. We just throw up bricks after bricks. No wonder we suck!
 
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Sleepyhead

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That’s a fair comparison. They don’t lack toughness or competitiveness. They are fairly scrappy, take bad shots, and can’t shoot.
 

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1. We are good free throw shooting team.
2. So instead of using that by going to the paint and draw a foul or try for a high efficiency two, we piddle and piddle, run down the clock, and jack a three which we miss.
3. We have two big guys that spend the majority of games on the bench. They are not hall of famers for sure but they don’t HAVE to be; they’re seven feet tall. To my eyes we are demonstrably more effective with them on the court.
4. To me it doesn’t look like winning the games is job one. The Arkansas game looked to me like someone at a party that was forced to be there.
 

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1. We are good free throw shooting team.
2. So instead of using that by going to the paint and draw a foul or try for a high efficiency two, we piddle and piddle, run down the clock, and jack a three which we miss.
3. We have two big guys that spend the majority of games on the bench. They are not hall of famers for sure but they don’t HAVE to be; they’re seven feet tall. To my eyes we are demonstrably more effective with them on the court.
4. To me it doesn’t look like winning the games is job one. The Arkansas game looked to me like someone at a party that was forced to be there.
I think Lamont has decided to live and die by the 3. Trouble is we are not a good shooting team at just over 30% from that range.
 
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bayrooster

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I think Lamont has decided to live and die by the 3. Trouble is we are not a good shooting team at just over 30% from that range.
 
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atl-cock

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Not necessarily a deal but maybe a strategy.

We've always been kind of one foot in, one foot out with both football and basketball as far as the real commitment to success.

Maybe if Donati moves us to all-in on football we could get to a fairly consistent 9-win team. We can't expect championship-caliber teams, but if we get very serious about the financial commitment to football, it's not out of the realm of possibility. I think that necessitates a de-emphasis on basketball, though.
A de-emphasis on any sport is bad for USC overall.
 

atl-cock

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Let me repeat, I am merely making the point that it is financially rewarding when teams make the tourney.

At this point in time, I am not of the mindset that the MBB program should be sacrificed. This season is most probably a lost cause. There is no benefit to firing Paris at this juncture. He can finish the season, at which point he can be dismissed, and the search for a replacement will commence. At that time we can determine what Donati's vision for the program will be.
For all we know a search for a replacement has already begun, albeit quietly.
 
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Well yeah no doubt but are they going to turn into a powerhouse or something with NIL? They never put any money into a big football stadium or anything before NIL. They never really cared and were an academic school.
What is a non-academic school?
 
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On a Men's BB sidenote, I saw Darrin Horn coaching the Northern Kentucky Norse from the Horizon League last night.
 

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I want you to clearly state it. No assumptions.
Vanderbilt is a private school that has clearly allowed athletics to take a back seat to academics. Obviously, Vanderbilt is one of the best schools in the country. Not saying Carolina doesn’t prioritize academics, but Carolina and most of the other schools in the SEC have make a conscious and obvious financial commitment over the years to be competitive. Not saying they aren’t great schools as well. So now that I explained something you clearly already know. I’ll digress.
 
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atl-cock

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Vanderbilt is a private school that has clearly allowed athletics to take a back seat to academics. Obviously, Vanderbilt is one of the best schools in the country. Not saying Carolina doesn’t prioritize academics, but Carolina and most of the other schools in the SEC have make a conscious and obvious financial commitment over the years to be competitive. Not saying they aren’t great schools as well. So now that I explained something you clearly already know. I’ll digress.
Thanks.

This, in essence, is why Tulane and Sewanee left the SEC in 1966 and 1940.
 

18IsTheMan

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With the team having equaled their SEC win total from last season, I fear we could somehow get to something like a 7-11 conference record to go 17-14 on the year, which is still bad for Year 4, but maybe just barely good enough not to warrant the buyout, so we retain Paris for another although the writing is already on the wall.
 
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With the team having equaled their SEC win total from last season, I fear we could somehow get to something like a 7-11 conference record to go 17-14 on the year, which is still bad for Year 4, but maybe just barely good enough not to warrant the buyout, so we retain Paris for another although the writing is already on the wall.

I think you just invoked the jinx clause. Way to go.
 
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RevRuss

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Doesn't seem to me MBB is a priority - FB, BB, SB, then MBB - heck, volleyball may have a higher priority. Too bad, average would fill the arena.
 
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Paris is no different than Beamer, they can both coach well enough to take us places, Paris took us pretty far in 23-24. Neither coach has the players or depth to compete, they aren't recruiting or at least not landing enough great players. And NIL affects basketball just like football, maybe to a lesser degree.
 

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With the team having equaled their SEC win total from last season, I fear we could somehow get to something like a 7-11 conference record to go 17-14 on the year, which is still bad for Year 4, but maybe just barely good enough not to warrant the buyout, so we retain Paris for another although the writing is already on the wall.
This is the same scenario as Beamer going 7-5 next season. Not really good, but good enough to not get fired.
 
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Paris has been a disappointment. The last really good basketball coach we had was Eddie Fogler. He did lay eggs at the Big Dance, I recall, But he was a good coach overall. We need someone similar.

Let me add I am so glad I was around to experience the McGuire era. I can't adequately explain how exciting and good that era was to experience. I hope I can experience such a feeling again before I have to take the exit ramp in this road trip called "life on earth"
 
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Vanderbilt is a private school that has clearly allowed athletics to take a back seat to academics. Obviously, Vanderbilt is one of the best schools in the country. Not saying Carolina doesn’t prioritize academics, but Carolina and most of the other schools in the SEC have make a conscious and obvious financial commitment over the years to be competitive. Not saying they aren’t great schools as well. So now that I explained something you clearly already know. I’ll digress.
I believe Vanderbilt is adapting nicely to the new NIL world:
Baseball ranking: 18
Football: 14
Basketball: 15
W Basketball: 5
 
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I believe Vanderbilt is adapting nicely to the new NIL world:
Baseball ranking: 18
Football: 14
Basketball: 15
W Basketball: 5

I believe Vanderbilt is adapting nicely to the new NIL world:
Baseball ranking: 18
Football: 14
Basketball: 15
W Basketball: 5
Vandy had their "endowment fund" before NIL to take care of athlete scholarships. I believe their baseball team was the biggest beneficiary in years past.
 

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Travis Steele would be a good one. And I like Bob Richey, up the road too. There are good alternatives to Paris.
 

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Outside of an improbable Final Four run in 2017, our basketball program has been a complete embarrassment the past 25-30 years. It will be hard for any school to duplicate the lack of success over that time period again. We are the absolute worst team in the conference over that span and have been for some time.

It’s time we bring some people in to try and be innovative when it comes to the Athletic Department here. We just keep trying to do what other schools do thinking it’ll get us where they are. It hasn’t and it won’t. Indiana showed us that in football. Do something different and start with firing Lamont Paris.
 
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Outside of an improbable Final Four run in 2017, our basketball program has been a complete embarrassment the past 25-30 years. It will be hard for any school to duplicate the lack of success over that time period again. We are the absolute worst team in the conference over that span and have been for some time.

It’s time we bring some people in to try and be innovative when it comes to the Athletic Department here. We just keep trying to do what other schools do thinking it’ll get us where they are. It hasn’t and it won’t. Indiana showed us that in football. Do something different and start with firing Lamont Paris.
Wonder if Indiana fans think the same of their basketball program. They are not what they were few years ago.
 

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Outside of an improbable Final Four run in 2017, our basketball program has been a complete embarrassment the past 25-30 years. It will be hard for any school to duplicate the lack of success over that time period again. We are the absolute worst team in the conference over that span and have been for some time.

It’s time we bring some people in to try and be innovative when it comes to the Athletic Department here. We just keep trying to do what other schools do thinking it’ll get us where they are. It hasn’t and it won’t. Indiana showed us that in football. Do something different and start with firing Lamont Paris.
We sure fell from grace after that year. Frank could never duplicate it.
 
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Fried Chicken

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Wonder if Indiana fans think the same of their basketball program. They are not what they were few years ago.
Indiana definitely isn’t as good but I doubt they think about their basketball program like we do ours. We are atrocious. I’m not just saying we stink or exaggerating…we are by far the worst team in the SEC over the past 25 years. I doubt it’s even close. We are the Vandy of SEC Basketball.

Indiana isn’t what they were, but they aren’t the worst team in the B10. We’re so bad it’s kind of amazing our fans still support the program.
 

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It’s time we bring some people in to try and be innovative when it comes to the Athletic Department here.
Donati has been here only one year. He just completed his first full football season and will be completing one full basketball season this spring. I suspect he had a big hand in the mid-season firings of Teasley and Shula. Never before that had Beamer fired any coach in mid-season until this past season. Give Donati a chance. I believe if he has to fire Beamer after this coming season, the replacement will be a VERY huge upgrade. And if he fires Paris after this season, again, the replacement will be a huge upgrade.
 

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Donati has been here only one year. He just completed his first full football season and will be completing one full basketball season this spring. I suspect he had a big hand in the mid-season firings of Teasley and Shula. Never before that had Beamer fired any coach in mid-season until this past season. Give Donati a chance. I believe if he has to fire Beamer after this coming season, the replacement will be a VERY huge upgrade. And if he fires Paris after this season, again, the replacement will be a huge upgrade.
If so, we will issue him a moniker. . . “The Don” . . .
 
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What are the chances SC could hire someone like Josh Schertz from St. Louis?

He came up through the ranks in an unconventional way and is in his early 50s, but he is 19-1 so far this year.
 

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Paris has been a disappointment. The last really good basketball coach we had was Eddie Fogler. He did lay eggs at the Big Dance, I recall, But he was a good coach overall. We need someone similar.

Let me add I am so glad I was around to experience the McGuire era. I can't adequately explain how exciting and good that era was to experience. I hope I can experience such a feeling again before I have to take the exit ramp in this road trip called "life on earth"
I pine for the now-deceased 8-member ACC we foolishly left in 1971. A reminder that it was Dietzel, not McGuire, who push for secession.

I don't see anything resembling that coming back. Even if we had stayed in the ACC, it has become so watered down......
 

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What are the chances SC could hire someone like Josh Schertz from St. Louis?

He came up through the ranks in an unconventional way and is in his early 50s, but he is 19-1 so far this year.
This will depend on what other school may want to make a play for his services, how serious Donati is about making upgrades to the program, and of course the overriding factor, how much is SC to shell out.
 
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