Our men's basketball program has, with few exceptions, been a complete embarrassment since the mid 1970s when the residue from our ACC years wore off.
How much longer is USC willing to put up with Paris?
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I've thought that many times myself, but other than wandering in the desert as an independent in football for 20 years I think we are better off where we are now. I'd hate to be stuck there now with that GOR.
More than 'few'. We ran off Felton, Fogler, Odom, and Martin; essentially ran off Frank McGuire for criminy's sake.
Fans like to say they'd be satisfied with above average, ie, better than most others; but they wouldn't, as demonstrated above.
We in many ways have been our own worst enemy. One part a little big for our britches (vandy trophy case syndrome), one part external things working against us (our 'heritage' so to speak, and right or wrong agree or disagree, don't think thats not still used against us on the recruiting trail; see Lew Alcindor and Michael Jordan most notable among others since), and one part our prissy administration/BOT/whatever actually pulls the strings.
We will have to get down and dirty to be where fans want us to be. Bruce Pearl-like down and dirty.
I'd hate to be stuck in a league which has expanded far beyond its geographic roots, where less than ⅓ of the current membership is made up of charter members. It's bad enough IMO that the SEC has expanded significantly west of the Mississippi River, although not nearly as bad as the ACC.
And that's why I pine for the ACC that was, not the ACC that is. But that is fantasy, and we are absolutely better off where we are now.
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I would take the ACC that was in a heartbeat. That is us, that is them as well, and it’s where we should be. In all sports.
Did I see the other day that CAL is a member of the ACC now? If true, imo that’s ridiculous.
I was a kid during the McGuire era, I was in the Coliseum when Brian Winters hit the winning basket in 1974 to beat Marquette. Paris is a class act and if we have to part ways at the end of the year I would wish him only the best. Interesting to see who Donati would bring in for his first big hire.
Isn't the GOR gone now? After the FSU/Clemson lawsuit?
Those were magic times my friend. They still had freshman games back then; the night Roche laid 56 on Furman, Winters and Ed Peterson put up 30+ apiece in the freshman game.
Previously, I'd say "hell no". But, you know, I kind of agree with you this afternoon. I'd hate to see us take a pay cut though. Would we be more competitive in the ACC? Definitely in football. I suspect though if a poll was done on that, you and I would be in the minority. Does not matter though because it won't happen. That is unless the SEC and BIG decided to secede and take only the most competitive in each conference with them. We'd be left out. The ACC might then take us back, unless Clemson blocked us. Could that scenario happen? Absolutely. If people don't think that could happen, they are hiding their heads in the sand.
I would never want to leave the SEC even if the other teams were ranked 1-15. ACC is a joke right now and would prefer BIG12 if it came to that. It won’t though.
I don't actually want to get up and leave. I have mixed emotions, honestly. But the SEC could leave us, if that makes sense.
I pine for my youth at times, until I realize I'd have to go back to school again, get back into the rat race work world where the rats win too often and back into the dating game again. Then I feel blessed to be the age I am.
My childhood up until age 12 was idyllic especially in the summers at my grandfather's place on Lake Wateree. (before it was crowded) My teen years up until age 20 or so were not so good. (lots of family drama) Would not want to relive any of that.
Yes, with the (for all practical purposes) breakup of the PAC12, Cal and Stanford joined the now-misnamed ACC.
If the current leagues breakup, the moment pacific coast teams joined the ACC will be seen as one of the reasons. Ridiculous actions have consequences.
Why, when UCLA and Southern Cal announced that they were joining the B1G (which was a horrible move for travel purposes) did almost every other PAC 12 member feel compelled to abandon the league?
Any insights someone can share is appreciated.
Technically yes, Every school can now leave of their own accord whenever they choose. There is an exit fee (currently at 165 million) which decreases each year by 18 million. That fee levels off at 75 million by 2030-31.
Fun fact: due to the FSU/Clemson lawsuits demanding "Success Incentive Initiative" , Miami was allowed to keep the full 20 million payout during the CFP for themselves, instead of having to share the money with the rest of the conference.
Umm, the Pacific Coast teams, USC,UCLA, Oregon, Washington joined the B1G before ACC picked up Stanford/Cal
Southern Cal, not USC.
Are the schools which abandoned the PAC 12 for the Big XII getting more $$$ than if they stayed together in the league?
If I was being recruited as an athlete, I would not give consideration to a school in a conference with coast to coast membership.
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Yes, by a lot. The P12, before the fracture, was apparently 4th in revenue behind even the ACC.
Hey kid why not come to Oregon, play in the B1G, you can be on TV from coast to coast, a chance to play in the CFP every year, and with the Nike money, you know we will take care of you
Kid: No way man, you have coast to coast membership.
Somehow I do not see that scenario playing out, at all.
I think fans have to realize that plenty of work could be underway now with Donati that none of us know about. And I hope so. One of Tanner's fault was that he always seemed to be caught on his back heels when a coaching change happened. Modern ADs have to get in front of this. And Donati seems to be strongly connected in the agent world which is another huge difference from Tanner. I am guessing conversations are happening currently to prepare for a transition.
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That was bad too. It just was not as cross-country as moving to the ACC. And, of course, PAC schools at least had a history with the BIG through the Rose Bowl.
Going from SoCal and the Pacific NW to Maryland, NJ(Rutgers), and middle Pennsylvania (PSU) is about as cross country as you can get.
True. But there are more ACC states bordering the Atlantic Ocean. It's simply a matter of math. Most ACC schools have been near the Eastern part of the country. Most BIG schools have been located in the Midwest.
All schools have charters now, so a 5-6 flights is not that big of hinderance any more. B1G, ACC, and B1G 12 all have cross country games, it's now just part of doing business.
Back in the day schools were using buses and trains with the same amount of travel time, with much shorter distances
You would often find B1G and PAC schools regularly scheduling contests with each other, especially in football.
It's all ridiculous. Conferences should make geographical sense and have contiguous lines. I suspect we might not be too far off from the future when the SEC and BIG combine. When that happens, hopefully ALL the schools are swept in rather than the best and most appealing members. If it's the latter, we will be left behind. For that reason, Beamer needs to produce in 2926 and do so annually.
You know, guys, it's this kind of horse manure that makes me fall off the wagon. I'm 30 days sober. Not consecutively, but here and there over the years. It's a very rough estimate. 