How would y'all rank these football seasons?

beyourowndawg

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1998 - 8-5, SEC West championship, Cotton Bowl disaster
1999 - 10-2, ranked #8 at one point, several comeback victories including the Egg Bowl, Peach Bowl
2000 - 8-5 (I think), consecutive beat downs of Florida & Auburn on CBS, Snow Bowl
2001 - narrowly-missed Rose Bowl appearance
2010 - 9-4, beat UF, UGA, & Michigan, Gator Bowl

I guess I'd say:

98
99
10 (perhaps skewed a bit due to wooliness about direction of the progam)
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beyourowndawg

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1998 - 8-5, SEC West championship, Cotton Bowl disaster
1999 - 10-2, ranked #8 at one point, several comeback victories including the Egg Bowl, Peach Bowl
2000 - 8-5 (I think), consecutive beat downs of Florida & Auburn on CBS, Snow Bowl
2001 - narrowly-missed Rose Bowl appearance
2010 - 9-4, beat UF, UGA, & Michigan, Gator Bowl

I guess I'd say:

98
99
10 (perhaps skewed a bit due to wooliness about direction of the progam)
00
 

Coach34

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beyourowndawg said:
1998 - 8-5, SEC West championship, Cotton Bowl disaster
1999 - 10-2, ranked #8 at one point, several comeback victories including the Egg Bowl, Peach Bowl
2000 - 8-5 (I think), consecutive beat downs of Florida & Auburn on CBS, Snow Bowl
2001 - narrowly-missed Rose Bowl appearance
2010 - 9-4, beat UF, UGA, & Michigan, Gator Bowl

I guess I'd say:

98
99
10 (perhaps skewed a bit due to wooliness about direction of the progam)
00
1998
1999
2010
2000
2008(because we got rid of Crooms- huge for our program)
 

VirgilCain

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- Both had a lot of close victories that could have easily gone the wrong way.
- Both had mediocre bowl victories (could be wrong because my recollection of 99 Peach bowl is almost completely void).
- Both subsequently led to ridiculous expectations for the next year. Infamously, '99 led to the inception of Rosebowl. '07 led to "we have turned the corner!"
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At this point for me, this past season has leapfrogged '99 for the #2 spot. I know we caught a lot of breaks this year, not as in close games necessarily, but more in opponents having "down" years and/or injuries, Time will tell if this season remains at #2 for me.

I will say that one of my favorite MSU memories was from the '99 season. I'm not a huge away-game traveler, but my and the old man made the trek down to the Plains to watch that epic comeback. Thank you again, Mr. Wyatt.</insert>
 

Coach34

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99- one of the best defenses in college football. As bad as the offense was in 99, it was something like 45 spots better than 2007's offense.

2007???- as I said repeatedly then, and got reamed for it on SPS, you werent very bright if you thought we had turned the corner in 2007. We were 103rd in offense for a reason.
 

Sutterkane

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In 1999, we never got blown out by 45-0
In 1999, we didn't give up over 30 points to 5 opponents.
In 1999, we were never ranked in the top 15.

1999 would've been a much better season if we would've not gotten snubbed by the outback bowl. That was a team worthy of a new year's day bowl.
 

Todd4State

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that we won 8 games and went to a bowl the year after 1999 right? To me, that led to the letdown of 2001 more than anything. We also had the number one defense in the country in 1999.

I just wish Jackie had played Dicenzo and Dontae more and Chris Rainey less, and used Matt Wyatt in a no huddle offense. But that's just me.
 

VirgilCain

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I listed the similarities that I have noticed. Not among those similarities was comparison of team strengths, but thanks for the correction of an imaginary comparison. '99 was an awesome team, everybody knows that. The comparison I made is that were a lot of close games that could have gone either way. I don't think that is disputable... but I'm interested to see you try.

I understand that you are probably extremely trigger happy to go on the defense given you antics on this board (which I actually enjoy) but I was not even disputing you. I was only making a case for why I moved 2010 into the spot above 1999. That's all I did. Therefore 1999 was #3 on my list.

2007, I'll admit it, I was one of the idiots that thought we had turned some proverbial corner. You can't blame me for jumping the gun though, my college years were arguably the worst football years in a history of mostly bad football. At that point, just a taste of success was all needed to put myself into a kool-aid induced diabetic coma... But that was not the context in which I meant anyway. I was referring the the general sentiment of the fanbase.
 

VirgilCain

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The demoralization after sniffing of success in 2007 has led me to view some of that season in a different light. Before I would watch the videos of the comebacks and think something along the lines of "Damn that was clutch play for the late-game comeback" Now, I watch them and can't help but to replace the word "clutch" with "lucky."
 

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how MSU has compared to Alabama.<div>
</div><div>In 98 & 2000 yall were at least as good as, if not better than Bama.</div><div>
</div><div>Bama was a lot better than MSU in 2010 and the bulldogs never really threatened to beat Alabama in the 10-2 , 1999 season... the 19-7 score was not indicative.</div><div>
</div><div>I vote 1998.</div><div>
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patdog

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Did you even watch those two seasons? Others have covered the differences pretty well, but damn! Seriously, did you even watch those two seasons?

In 1999 we outscored our opponents 255-156 (13 games)
In 2007 we were outscored by 279-301 (12 games)

Do you really want to compare those 2 seasons?
 

patdog

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VirgilCain said:
The demoralization after sniffing of success in 2007 has led me to view some of that season in a different light. Before I would watch the videos of the comebacks and think something along the lines of "Damn that was clutch play for the late-game comeback" Now, I watch them and can't help but to replace the word "clutch" with "lucky."
I could have told you then we were damn lucky. And if you were reading this board then, I did tell you then.
 
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99 is the year the phantom holding call turned the game, right? the one where the TV guys couldn't even find the hold...when there wasn't a guy within 10 yards of the ball when the hold was called.

I'm not one to say that teams cheated...I hate those people. But I've been watching MSU sports since the early 90s, and there are 3 gameswhere I will swear cheating occurred: BYU @ MSU in 2001, BYU had the refs sewed up and that's the only way they won. MSU vs. Kentucky in basketball, 2002. We were down 16 at the half and won in OT...MSU had the refs for that one, no way we would've won without them. Then the 99 Alabama game...the refs were pretty blatant that game as well, and I believe one of them got suspended after that game. Maybe that's why you never perceived a threat in that game.
 

VirgilCain

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Guess what, I have also recently compared the the '10 season to the '09 season.....and then I threw in the '08 season to the comparison mix for a threeway!

BTW, I never said the two seasons were "comparable," actually I never even used any form of the word "compare" in my post. I said they had a few similarites, which any two footballs season do. Also the word "compare" has more meaning than just, "being alike", or in your case, "they're exactly the 17-ing same in every way imagineable!"... believe it or not, it also means to examine in order to find similarities and differences.

Thanks for going ape-**** over my heretical personal opinion of why '10 comes in at #2 on my list, immediately followed by '99 at #3 on my personal list.

Sorry for the delayed reply, I've been busy.
 

patdog

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any other team has ever played. About the only thing our 1999 and 2007 seasons had in common was that we played a bunch of regular season games and then won a bowl game, oh and we wore maroon and white in both. Other than that, there's no similarity at all.
 

VirgilCain

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You are finally grasping the comparative process and even finding similarities between two very contrasting seasons.....except that you left off the similarities that I referenced in my initial post that started this whole damn thing, which you undoubtedly read . I'm a nice guy so I restate my initial post and this this time I will even spell out things that I thought were common enough knowledge to be casually inferred. I'll even use bold text for things that I don't want you too miss...again.

<span style="text-decoration:underline">#1 -</span> '99 and '07 had a lot of close victories, all of which could have easily been lost.
Agree?

<span style="text-decoration:underline">#2 -</span> Both had egg bowls that OM completely and utterly pissed away in the closing minute(s). '99 culminated with the famous Eugine Clinton leg tip drill INT. '07 Orgeron shat the bed.
Agree?

<span style="text-decoration:underline">#3 -</span> Both '99 and '07 each had 1 of the 2 luckiest plays I have ever seen from MSU.
A) again, the '99 Egg bowl, OM throws a baffling 30 yard "hail mary" from their own 20(if you can a pass to the 50 a hail mary) with 20 seconds remaining. Clinton breaks up the pass and while falling/flailing back to earth, inadvertently kick-tips the ball to another DB (can't remember his name) who is able to return it to FG range for a game winning FG as the clock expired... I don't think we even ran a play between the INT and the FG. Luckiest **** i've ever seen from MSU.

B) In '07, Anthony Johnson's 107 pick six to end the half (but if you were there, you know that play won the entire game). Just to refresh, it was another baffling baffling pass by the QB, while Alabama was in goaline formation ready to put the game away before the half (we had no offense to make a comeback)

***BTW, '99's Wyatt game winning pass at Auburn is probably my #3 luckiest play. He threw a great pass that basically hit an Auburn DB between the numbers. Not only did, did the Auburn DB not intercept it to end the game, he apparently managed to contorted his body in such a fashion that he didn't even deflect it and it got through to Butler who then made a great catch. 99 times out of 100, that pass is probably intercepted and if not, it is almost assuredly deflected.
Agree? You may have your own personal luckiest play

<span style="text-decoration:underline">#4 -</span> '07 is generally considered a lucky team/year, while '99 is considered a good team/year... Agree? I totally agree.
Yet, 07 had 4-games decided by 5 points or less (5,5,3,3) and '99 had 5-games decided by 3 points or less (3,2,1,1,3). For arguments sake, lets say the karma gods hated us instead of loving us those years and we lost all of those close games. Then both '99 and '07 teams are sitting at home at the end of the year with 4 wins each.
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#5 -</span> Now, my final ending point, If '07 is considered a very fortunate year that masked severe coaching/team ineptitude (which I agree with) then it is hard for ME (key word, not necessarily you or the general public...ME) not to look back and see the fortuity of the '99 season and in many ways (listed above) was more fortuitous than the '07 season. Which then leads to the '07 season diminishing my PERSONAL memory of the '99 season... in fact, the '99 season was so egregiously diminished personally that it plummeted from #2 all the way to #3 on my ranking of football seasons.

Agree? I don't care if you agree cause this is my personal opinion anyway
 

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Your defense was ridiculously talented. Your second team DL could have started at most of the other SEC schools. You had shut down corners and everybody else was running around like their hair was on fire. Easily one of the best SEC defenses in any era.
 

beyourowndawg

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I was ranking seasons (results, impact, national attention, etc.), though. As far as ranking the teams, it's a little tougher to do, but I'd say:

99
98
00 (can't remember who we lost to that year, but the Florida & Auburn games were impressive)
10
 

vhdawg

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....the 2000 team didn't have as good a defense, but it was the only State team I felt was capable of beating anybody on any given day. I would've put them up against Florida State that year and not ruled out their chances.
 

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VirgilCain said:
You are finally grasping the comparative process and even finding similarities between two very contrasting seasons.....except that you left off the similarities that I referenced in my initial post that started this whole damn thing, which you undoubtedly read . I'm a nice guy so I restate my initial post and this this time I will even spell out things that I thought were common enough knowledge to be casually inferred. I'll even use bold text for things that I don't want you too miss...again.

<span style="text-decoration:underline">#1 -</span> '99 and '07 had a lot of close victories, all of which could have easily been lost.
Agree?

<span style="text-decoration:underline">#2 -</span> Both had egg bowls that OM completely and utterly pissed away in the closing minute(s). '99 culminated with the famous Eugine Clinton leg tip drill INT. '07 Orgeron shat the bed.
Agree?

<span style="text-decoration:underline">#3 -</span> Both '99 and '07 each had 1 of the 2 luckiest plays I have ever seen from MSU.
A) again, the '99 Egg bowl, OM throws a baffling 30 yard "hail mary" from their own 20(if you can a pass to the 50 a hail mary) with 20 seconds remaining. Clinton breaks up the pass and while falling/flailing back to earth, inadvertently kick-tips the ball to another DB (can't remember his name) who is able to return it to FG range for a game winning FG as the clock expired... I don't think we even ran a play between the INT and the FG. Luckiest **** i've ever seen from MSU.

B) In '07, Anthony Johnson's 107 pick six to end the half (but if you were there, you know that play won the entire game). Just to refresh, it was another baffling baffling pass by the QB, while Alabama was in goaline formation ready to put the game away before the half (we had no offense to make a comeback)

***BTW, '99's Wyatt game winning pass at Auburn is probably my #3 luckiest play. He threw a great pass that basically hit an Auburn DB between the numbers. Not only did, did the Auburn DB not intercept it to end the game, he apparently managed to contorted his body in such a fashion that he didn't even deflect it and it got through to Butler who then made a great catch. 99 times out of 100, that pass is probably intercepted and if not, it is almost assuredly deflected.
Agree? You may have your own personal luckiest play

<span style="text-decoration:underline">#4 -</span> '07 is generally considered a lucky team/year, while '99 is considered a good team/year... Agree? I totally agree.
Yet, 07 had 4-games decided by 5 points or less (5,5,3,3) and '99 had 5-games decided by 3 points or less (3,2,1,1,3). For arguments sake, lets say the karma gods hated us instead of loving us those years and we lost all of those close games. Then both '99 and '07 teams are sitting at home at the end of the year with 4 wins each.
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#5 -</span> Now, my final ending point, If '07 is considered a very fortunate year that masked severe coaching/team ineptitude (which I agree with) then it is hard for ME (key word, not necessarily you or the general public...ME) not to look back and see the fortuity of the '99 season and in many ways (listed above) was more fortuitous than the '07 season. Which then leads to the '07 season diminishing my PERSONAL memory of the '99 season... in fact, the '99 season was so egregiously diminished personally that it plummeted from #2 all the way to #3 on my ranking of football seasons.

Agree? I don't care if you agree cause this is my personal opinion anyway
The '99 team made things happen. In games they were losing they made plays, not just one, several of them, in the 4th quarter to come back and win games.

At the end of the '99 Egg Bowl, Ole Miss made an un-wise play call. They didn't give the game away. And our guys, more than one of them, made a hell of a play on that interception. Can't say it was luck, because they made plays like that all year in the 4th quarter.

Wyatt's pass against Auburn? Luck? Looked lucky, but again that team made those kinds of plays all year long in the 4th quarter. I when you can do something again and again and again, its not luck.

I can't call AJ's '07 pick 6 against Alabama luck either. Titus Brown and Zack Smith were all up in the QB's grill and force him to make a bad throw. It also wasn't luck that Titus Brown was smart enough to lay on top of the QB so the QB couldn't get up and make a tackle.

The '07 team made a bowl game because they pick-6'd their opponents to death. Luck? No, the '07 team had a great defense. Maybe one of he best we've ever seen at MSU - but that point can't be made statistically because the offense was one of the worst ever at MSU. The TOP was so lopsided through 3 quarters it was ridiculous. Our offense couldn't stay on the field...until they other team was in mop-up mode.
 

patdog

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Most people point to 2001 as when the collapse of the MSU football program started. I believe it started in Baton Rouge in 2000. We were 4-1 coming into that game, and blew 2-TD leads twice before losing and finishing the regular season 3-3 (wins over MTSU, 2-9 UK, and 3-8 Bama) before the Snow Bowl win.