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msudogsrule01

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Drew Thomas He is the volunteer assistant coach/pitching coach for Coastal Carolina, which is second in the nation in ERA. They are 42nd in strikeouts and fourth in hits per nine innings. Gotta think that we can pay him and make him a paid assistant coach, rather than volunteer.
 
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Karl Kuhn at Virginia. He has a youtube video out that claims that he has had no injuries in 16 years. I don't know how realistic it would be to get him, but he was at a school in Arkansas at one time.
 
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1. No good pitching coach in his right mind is going to want to work with a group of pitchers with a collective 6.00+ ERA.

2. Any coach is going to have to wonder if this is going to be a 1-year job, where if he takes it he mayjust get fired along with Cohen next year and have to look for a job all over again (which isn't the ideal situation to be looking for a job).
 
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1. I think it depends on how he looks at it. Odds are that most anyone could improve that and look good even if they were an average to below average pitching coach. Especially if I was a coach and I see that the pitching staff in question had six freshmen and two sophomores.

2. I think this is a good point. But, it just depends on the pay and if he does good, he may convince the new coach to stay. Also, the thing we've got going for us is our conference. If a coach is here for one year, and he does well and Cohen and the staff are fired, he could probably put that on his resume and find another pretty good job.

It just depends on the coaches perception.
 
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at the pitching coach position, it will probably have to be someone like this guy due to the potential volatility of the entire program at present. I think getting an established position coach would be difficult right now. Unless it is with a pretty nice guaranteed 4 year deal so he won't be in a pinch when, uh, I mean, IF, Cohen is canned after 2011.
 
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That if a new guy comes in here and is even average, that we will win more games. What would our record be right now if we had a high 4 ERA?
 
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But it's really hard to tangibly say this is what we would be if our stats were this or that.

But yeah, we should win more games if our ERA improves, and if our defense improves as well. The real question is how much because I think our hitting will be worse next year and our power will be worse, to.

And then you have to factor in what kind of schedule that we play. If we have one like we did this year, it's going to a lot harder to win to.

There's just a lot of X factors. Next years team will be totally different than this years team- and I'm not saying that they will definately be better or worse, just that the circumstances will be different, just like any team in the country.
 
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State82 said:
at the pitching coach position, it will probably have to be someone like this guy due to the potential volatility of the entire program at present. I think getting an established position coach would be difficult right now. Unless it is with a pretty nice guaranteed 4 year deal so he won't be in a pinch when, uh, I mean, IF, Cohen is canned after 2011.
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If I were Cohen and there were any smidgen of a chance that you might get fired, why not keep Butch around one more year so that you can use him as a scapegoat?

Of course, he may have to play his scapegoat card this year.

The thing about coaching is this, though- these guys get fired all the time. It's not like where I work where you stay for 25 years, and if you get fired it's a really shameful thing. In coaching, these guys move around all the time, get hired and fired all the time, and it may not be because of anything that they did or didn't do. You do a good job, and you move on. Heck, Russ McNickle has a job. It's just all part of the job.
 
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patdog

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Cohen has to realize that it's at least possible that he could be fired next year. He's going to be a lot more concerned with trying to keep his job than with who to try to shift the blame to if he is fired.
 
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...Cohen has to know that another year like this year, and it may be too late, scapegoat or no scapegoat. We need to show real improvement next year, and the first step in that is to put a competitive pitching staff out there. Again, that is, by far, our biggest weakness. He really needs to make a change this year.
 
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msudogsrule01

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He is a volunteer assistant coach, which means we can pay more than he is making now, lol. And he has had some really high level success with Coastal.
 
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as much as I think he does, then he wouldn't hesitate firing assistants if he truly believed they weren't getting it done. Things have gotten too bad too quickly to give Thompson the benefit of the doubt.
 
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in case, as Jackie would put it, this train keeps heading downhill and you just can't stop it b/c its going full speed....or something like that.

I would love to land a dynamic recruiter with a pitching background regardless of whether he's an assistant or coaching at McNeese State.
 
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patdog said:
Cohen has to realize that it's at least possible that he could be fired next year. He's going to be a lot more concerned with trying to keep his job than with who to try to shift the blame to if he is fired.
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he may have to play it this year.
 
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8Dog said:
in case, as Jackie would put it, this train keeps heading downhill and you just can't stop it b/c its going full speed....or something like that.



I would love to land a dynamic recruiter with a pitching background regardless of whether he's an assistant or coaching at McNeese State.
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The two main requirements I have are in no particular order:

1. No ties to Polk or MSU.

2. D-I head coaching experience and success.

I agree about the recruiter part, because that is so vital in college baseball. I don't really care so much about what kind of a background that they have- hitting vs pitching.
 
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8dog

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I think that's probably overrated in college baseball. OSullivan, Corbin, Childress, Horton, Oconner, McDonnell were all assistants immediately before being successful at big programs.
 
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patdog said:
1. No good pitching coach in his right mind is going to want to work with a group of pitchers with a collective 6.00+ ERA.

2. Any coach is going to have to wonder if this is going to be a 1-year job, where if he takes it he mayjust get fired along with Cohen next year and have to look for a job all over again (which isn't the ideal situation to be looking for a job).
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I think this is the perfect time to hire a pitching coach. He would get a group of highly recruited guys (basically because most of them throw in the low 90's) that have already been thrown to the wolves as true freshman. The team ERA is ridiculously high and any improvement would be attributed to coaching. This is a great time for an assistant somewhere to come in here and ride this group of pitchers to a head coaching job somewhere.

"The year before I got there, the team ERA was over 6.00. It then went to 5.25 my first year, 4.50 the next, and sits at 3.75 this year."
 
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