HPSS turf.
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Good. Exorcise the demons of 78-0 and throw them in the trash.
No. They are bringing it, a staple gun and a truckload of staples to Yankee Stadium. :grimace:
From what I heard. The initial turf replacement was part of a claim against Field Turf. The turf failed prior to it's life expectancy.
I'll be the guy...I wish they would go back to grass!!!
I've officiated on some of those FieldTurf fields that have failed...man are they bad. That company really screwed a lot of schools/towns/organizations, etc.
I've officiated on some of those FieldTurf fields that have failed...man are they bad. That company really screwed a lot of schools/towns/organizations, etc.
Wow... talk about timing! @knightfan7 can use this old fieldturf on his deck, instead of that fiberglass stuff that everyone is arguing about.
Problem solved.
Problem solved.
When we bought our house in Belmar, the concrete patio was covered with grass carpet--glued to the concrete. It looked swell.
I don't know if it's just me but there seems to be more injuries on turf than on grass. And it's not just Rutgers but for all sports.
The Field Turf is much safer than the old Astro Turf, the problem with grass in the stadium is that the field low and will not drain well when it rains.
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anon_ivydyf0amkzay
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It was a big story at the end of 2016
Warning: nj.com link
Hopefully this is a warranty replacement by Tarkett/FieldTurf and not a full cost but at least pro-rated.
These stadiums are used extensively year round. No way natural grass turf could hold up. We're not talking 6 Saturday's a year. We're talking 6 Saturday's, a hand full of HS champ games, Lax and concerts. When stadiums cost hundreds or millions of dollar, I can understand why turf is used.
I can't stand seeing Div II and Div III playing on turf. Even HS as well. Schools have enough land for everything else. Why not leave their tiny FB stadium grass?
Everything is just becoming to sterile in life.
But this is coming from a guy who hates HS champ games played in empty massive stadiums. I have no better memories as child attending, and luckily playing in two State champ games in HS at cramped, in your face, fans on top of you neutral sites high school fields. The atmosphere was magic, I tell you.
I can't stand seeing Div II and Div III playing on turf. Even HS as well. Schools have enough land for everything else. Why not leave their tiny FB stadium grass?
Everything is just becoming to sterile in life.
But this is coming from a guy who hates HS champ games played in empty massive stadiums. I have no better memories as child attending, and luckily playing in two State champ games in HS at cramped, in your face, fans on top of you neutral sites high school fields. The atmosphere was magic, I tell you.
They continued to sell a lot of fields after they knew the turf was bad. With all the bad press it gotten specifically in New Jersey I am surprised Rutgers still went with it.
http://fieldturf.nj.com/
These stadiums are used extensively year round. No way natural grass turf could hold up. We're not talking 6 Saturday's a year. We're talking 6 Saturday's, a hand full of HS champ games, Lax and concerts. When stadiums cost hundreds or millions of dollar, I can understand why turf is used.
I can't stand seeing Div II and Div III playing on turf. Even HS as well. Schools have enough land for everything else. Why not leave their tiny FB stadium grass?
Everything is just becoming to sterile in life.
But this is coming from a guy who hates HS champ games played in empty massive stadiums. I have no better memories as child attending, and luckily playing in two State champ games in HS at cramped, in your face, fans on top of you neutral sites high school fields. The atmosphere was magic, I tell you.
The main reason I call BS on this line of thinking is the Heitz Field is natural grass and holds 15 home football games, concerts, High School football and other events. There are several stadiums that do this.
Drainage technology has changed significantly in 20 years and if a drainage system was installed there would be no issue with a natural surface. Regardless of field level.
Heinz Field IMO often looks and plays like garbage from mid-October on for those very reasons. I actually think they should switch to turf.
Joe P.
It always looks like the worst field in the NFL.
By mid/ end of October it looks like it has about as much traction and footing as throwing a quilt over a bowling lane and trying to play sports on it. They usually resod it at some point and then you get the 'Pinstripe Bowl footing issues' with different parts of the field freezing/ not freezing/ tearing/ slipping due to rooting issues.
Joe P.
Using Heinz filled does not help the argument .
I don't believe the problem turf was used at the stadium. It was used on another field.
That's interesting.I remember being at an event in NYC and either Schiano or Pernetti announced the field was going to be replaced but it was covered by warranty due to failure.
Going back to @demauroj's post about drainage... I think it's unreasonable to say that there have been any quantum leaps in "drainage technology" over the last 20 years or the last 200 years. The fundamentals are the same.
The issue with HPSS isn't that it's low-lying, either, as another poster suggested. In fact, as we all know, the stadium is very much on a hill. That, more than anything else, is the real issue. A proper drainage system requires a compacted sublayer (generally clay), the drainage sublayer (Aerocell, or similar) above that, then a porous layer between the drain and the soil that the turf is anchored in.
The total depth of that entire system, properly executed, would be several feet. In considering the geology of the area, I suspect that excavation to that depth below the current playing surface would require a great deal of dynamite.
The issue with HPSS isn't that it's low-lying, either, as another poster suggested. In fact, as we all know, the stadium is very much on a hill. That, more than anything else, is the real issue. A proper drainage system requires a compacted sublayer (generally clay), the drainage sublayer (Aerocell, or similar) above that, then a porous layer between the drain and the soil that the turf is anchored in.
The total depth of that entire system, properly executed, would be several feet. In considering the geology of the area, I suspect that excavation to that depth below the current playing surface would require a great deal of dynamite.
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anon_ivydyf0amkzay
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Speaking of Rutgers Stadium (it will always be that to me, I cannot even say that other name)...are they ever going to do luxury boxes on the press box side!?
I know we have no need to expand, but I always thought that luxury boxes bring in significant revenue even though they do not increase attendance capacity that much.
I know we have no need to expand, but I always thought that luxury boxes bring in significant revenue even though they do not increase attendance capacity that much.
I think it's a questionable venture, at this time, when you include the math behind actually building the luxury suites.
With regards to Heinz Field, I can see why it is voted as the worst field in the NFL...
This was on the drawing board when the wonderful mortgage recession hit (was there an official name for it?) because it was considered a cash cow at the time. However, since that time it has been bandied about, but no definitive plans are in the works as of now. I think if we bring the brand up again, to the point where we have winning seasons and are competitive with all teams, thereby raising our overall visibility, this will come under consideration again.
Also, this is linked with rebuilding our press box, which is considered archaic by every journalist that uses it.
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anon_ivydyf0amkzay
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Hopefully one day they can build a press box on top of the upper deck and have that entire middle section for luxury seating… Probably a long ways away