Toggle sidebar

Hubbard's slump

KentuckyDawg13

KentuckyDawg13

Senior
Aug 15, 2006
1,913
541
113
This situation seems to have started at the Central Michigan game in Jackson.
Even my wife commented during that game that Josh did not seem like himself.
Since that game, Josh has been in a shooting slump:
FG 3PT Opponent
--- ---- -----------
4-15 3-12 Central Michigan (Jackson, MS)
5-12 3-8 @Memphis
4-15 1-9 Bethune-Cookman
7-13 5-10 USC*
3-9 1-5 Vandy
5-16 3-11 uk
2-12 2-10 auburn

27% from three?!
32% OVERALL!?
*decent game

It's a difficult situation Jans has with this, as Josh was clutch most of last season. And with the Clary situation (whatever that is), we have little options to run the PG position instead of a freshman.
From my perspective, it seems Josh is forcing shots now. Sure, defenses are focused on him, but many of his shots last night were not ideal.
Thoughts?
 
  • Like
Reactions: Doubledawgblitz
OopsICroomedmypants

OopsICroomedmypants

All-Conference
Sep 29, 2022
1,975
2,689
113
I've been saying he has poor shot selection, sometimes out of necessity. When he elevates for a shot, he is often floating left or right, which makes accuracy difficult. A good shot has many parts and it starts with getting your feet under you and elevating vertically. Hubbard has better performance when he plays the 2 position and we run set plays for him so he can get a set shot. I noticed two games ago we ran him on a double screen and he had a wide open shot at the top and he rushed it, his feet flew to the side and he missed. It's something he needs to get a handle on.
 
  • Like
Reactions: KentuckyDawg13, Spotdawg, Darryl Steight and 1 other person
T

tcdog70

Junior
Sep 24, 2012
1,376
250
63
he had several wide *** open 3s last night. good shots --he missed. when we playing road games in SEC -when HUB plays bad --we won't win. just a fact. Hub also can't guard 6'5" guards.. if he isn't scoring then the points he is giving up beats us. 5'9" can't guard other guards who are over 6 feet tall.
 
  • Like
Reactions: MagnoliaHunter
T

TXDawg.sixpack

All-Conference
Apr 10, 2009
2,393
2,305
113
It’s not just his shooting, though. When he doesn’t have the ball, he’s literally just standing around. This allows his defender to sag into the paint and become an extra lane defender. Hubbard isn’t moving, using screens, etc to get open so his defender doesn’t have to chase him.

It’s also his defense. Last night, he was standing flat-footed on defense and letting Auburn’s PG have his way with him consistently.

Something’s off and he needs to fix it soon!
 
  • Like
Reactions: KentuckyDawg13, retire the banner and MagnoliaHunter
ababyatemydingo

ababyatemydingo

All-Conference
Nov 27, 2008
3,750
2,776
113
Shmuley said:
He's coming to grips with being undersized and being asked to shoulder responsibilities for which his skillset is .... average at best. Love his passion, though. Tough spot for jans
Click to expand...
this is the correct answer. he's not a PG, but is being asked to be one. you get someone out of their comfort zone in BB, and you can wreck their confidence and they'll start pressing.
 
  • Like
Reactions: OopsICroomedmypants
J

johnson86-1

All-Conference
Aug 22, 2012
14,337
4,840
113
OopsICroomedmypants said:
I've been saying he has poor shot selection, sometimes out of necessity. When he elevates for a shot, he is often floating left or right, which makes accuracy difficult. A good shot has many parts and it starts with getting your feet under you and elevating vertically. Hubbard has better performance when he plays the 2 position and we run set plays for him so he can get a set shot. I noticed two games ago we ran him on a double screen and he had a wide open shot at the top and he rushed it, his feet flew to the side and he missed. It's something he needs to get a handle on.
Click to expand...
This is basically it. If he's our primary ball handler, he's not going to be the same offensive weapon for us as he is when we can get him off the ball some. He's forcing stuff because he still feels like he needs to be the man. The good news is he is not our only scoring option, and we don't need him to force things. The bad news is we do need him to score some and to hit open 3's when he gets them, and that's going to be a hard balance for him to figure out. He's going to disappear some games and make mistakes forcing things some games.
tcdog70 said:
he had several wide *** open 3s last night. good shots --he missed. when we playing road games in SEC -when HUB plays bad --we won't win. just a fact. Hub also can't guard 6'5" guards.. if he isn't scoring then the points he is giving up beats us. 5'9" can't guard other guards who are over 6 feet tall.
Click to expand...
I think Hub is in his own head now. He's missing a lot of shots because they aren't good shots, but it's impacting him when he does get good shots.
Only other thing that would cause this would be dead legs (we've played on some short turn arounds, but it's pretty early in the season so that really shouldn't be it) and a minor injury, which he doesn't seem to have.
 
  • Like
Reactions: dorndawg and OopsICroomedmypants
Seinfeld

Seinfeld

All-American
Nov 30, 2006
11,155
6,981
113
OopsICroomedmypants said:
I've been saying he has poor shot selection, sometimes out of necessity. When he elevates for a shot, he is often floating left or right, which makes accuracy difficult. A good shot has many parts and it starts with getting your feet under you and elevating vertically. Hubbard has better performance when he plays the 2 position and we run set plays for him so he can get a set shot. I noticed two games ago we ran him on a double screen and he had a wide open shot at the top and he rushed it, his feet flew to the side and he missed. It's something he needs to get a handle on.
Click to expand...
Yeah, I’ve felt for a few weeks now like Josh is playing as if 15-20 pts is required from him in order for State to win. He is forcing a lot of contested to downright bad shots, and I feel bad for him because I know that no one is more frustrated than him, but he’s got to figure out how to better help the team even it that means being a decoy.

2/12 shooting is bad enough, but 2/12 with zero assists can’t happen
 
  • Like
Reactions: dorndawg
aTotal360

aTotal360

Heisman
Nov 12, 2009
21,771
14,436
113
It’s time…
Fat Girl Dancing GIF by The Maury Show
 
  • Like
  • Haha
Reactions: Spotdawg, Shmuley, ll Martain ll and 4 others
D

DoomSlayer

Senior
Jan 13, 2018
1,047
432
83
Teams have no problem switching a big on him because he won’t drive the ball past them into the paint. Which I guess at this point you have to say it’s not so much that he won’t do it it’s that he cant. Just doesn’t have the ball handling ability which is bad because he’s playing the point.
 
L

L4Dawg

All-American
Oct 27, 2016
10,286
7,135
113
Teams are going all out to stop him. As I said in another thread a week or so ago, this team will go as far as the other players can take it.
 
  • Like
Reactions: MagnoliaHunter
onewoof

onewoof

Heisman
Mar 4, 2008
14,981
13,090
113
follow the lead of Starkville's very own, beloved Arthur Juan Brown...

Joshua Hubbard needs to read Inner Excellence by Jim Murphy

The whole team needs to read it

1736965476869.png
 
Seinfeld

Seinfeld

All-American
Nov 30, 2006
11,155
6,981
113
L4Dawg said:
Teams are going all out to stop him. As I said in another thread a week or so ago, this team will go as far as the other players can take it.
Click to expand...
And with last night being the exception, I think we've got guys capable and willing to do that. I guess what I don't know is whether Hubbard's going to accept that. He can still be of value on the court if he's constantly drawing double teams, but he's got to be willing to make the pass rather than jacking up long range, contested shots
 
  • Like
Reactions: KentuckyDawg13
onewoof

onewoof

Heisman
Mar 4, 2008
14,981
13,090
113
What you also may not be seeing is the defense's attention on Hubbard allows Kugel to score often on open shots

We are really missing Kugel. Probably beat KY with him on the court.
 
  • Like
Reactions: KentuckyDawg13 and Pars
T

TXDawg.sixpack

All-Conference
Apr 10, 2009
2,393
2,305
113
DecadeReb2 said:
According to Bo Bounds, he thinks Jans should be running more designed plays and screens for Hub.
Click to expand...
The problem with that is that Hubbard isn't moving without the ball. Hard to run plays/screens for a guy that's just standing there watching the game.
 
R

ronpolk

All-Conference
May 6, 2009
9,156
4,760
113
It’s also possible he’s just in a slump and nothing earth shattering is wrong…. I mean it happens, good players have slumps all the time. I think he will be fine.
 
  • Like
Reactions: KentuckyDawg13
BulldogBlitz

BulldogBlitz

Heisman
Dec 11, 2008
16,208
20,361
113
DoomSlayer said:
Teams have no problem switching a big on him because he won’t drive the ball past them into the paint. Which I guess at this point you have to say it’s not so much that he won’t do it it’s that he cant. Just doesn’t have the ball handling ability which is bad because he’s playing the point.
Click to expand...
His favorite thing to do then, fake the drive and do a step back off balance 3.
 
  • Like
Reactions: DoomSlayer
basedawg

basedawg

Senior
Aug 22, 2012
852
554
93
I think playing point guard has hurt Josh. Say what you want but even if you are a good ball handler it’s different playing 2 guard compared to point guard where you are trying to set guys up and being at the point or top of the key.
 
  • Like
Reactions: Darryl Steight, msugolf and patdog
M

msugolf

Junior
Dec 29, 2008
823
385
63
basedawg said:
I think playing point guard has hurt Josh. Say what you want but even if you are a good ball handler it’s different playing 2 guard compared to point guard where you are trying to set guys up and being at the point or top of the key.
Click to expand...
Nailed it. The common folk don’t realize how much different it is playing the point vs 2 guard. Mentally and physically wears you down
 
  • Like
Reactions: Darryl Steight
You must log in or register to reply here.